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Bison13 said:
There are quite a few kids in major college baseball, who started out at the division three or division two level. Lots of late bloomers, who had the stuff but needed an extra year or two to grow and figure things out. WVU has definitely taken advantage of that.
Playing in the Big Ten Hertz recruiting compared to pit being in the ACC and WVU in the big 12. Both of those are significantly better baseball conferences historically and thus kids definitely take that into consideration.
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That's true about the ACC and Big 12. However, you would think that getting a chance to play schools like UCLA, USC and Oregon in baseball would be attractive.

Also, PSU actually had respectable seasons in 2024 and 2025 and I thought that they were becoming a competive program, but this past season was a hugh step backward. It's not good when you have a horrible record in the Big 10 when most of your games are against Northeastern and Midwestern Big 10 schools who also play most of their games in terrible spring weather in front of nobody.
 
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That's true about the ACC and Big 12. However, you would think that getting a chance to play schools like UCLA, USC and Oregon in baseball would be attractive.

Also, PSU actually had respectable seasons in 2024 and 2025 and I thought that they were becoming a competive program, but this past season was a hugh step backward. It's not good when you have a horrible record in the Big 10 when most of your games are against Northeastern and Midwestern Big 10 schools who also play most of their games in terrible spring weather in front of nobody.
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Moving to the Big Ten was great for teams like UCLA and USC. They get to beat up on teams that aren’t as good as their former Pac 10 foes. As great as it sounds to play them, the way scheduling works is that it’s only one week that you’re gonna get out there for the most part. Two of the teams come here and you go out there to play the other two.

I think a lot of the regional northeast games are to save money, but in doing so they should be winning at least 2/3 of those games not just over 50% like they currently do

Penn State has to figure out their pitching staff, West Virginia really put a lot of money into a pitching lab to study spin rates and movement, Penn State has to do something similar
 
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NittanyBuff said:
I was getting ready to say, Penn State plays Basketball?? lol
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I would give up bball and transfer the nil funds to football. But in all seriousness, if true it is a damn shame that we are last in bball and not top 3 in football considering our size and alumni base. I have said it even after he got lucky landing Campbell - Kraft must go. He is the problem. A more creative non-meathead would figure out the disconnects that exist in fundraising.
 
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LMTLION said:
I would give up bball and transfer the nil funds to football. But in all seriousness, if true it is a damn shame that we are last in bball and not top 3 in football considering our size and alumni base. I have said it even after he got lucky landing Campbell - Kraft must go. He is the problem. A more creative non-meathead would figure out the disconnects that exist in fundraising.
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Considering some of the other schools in the Big 10, I don't think that it's surprising that PSU isn't in the top three in NIL for football, which doesn't mean that its NIL budget isn't competitive in that sport. Also, depending on the direction of the program, it has a chance to increase a lot in upcoming seasons.
 
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Flying soccer and field hockey teams, etc., to and from the West Coast cannot be justified. Sports like those, if they want to remain non-club, should be in regional leagues much like the NCAA hockey leagues like Hockey East. In reality, sports like those probably should be club sports.
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100%!!
 
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Bison13 said:
Moving to the Big Ten was great for teams like UCLA and USC. They get to beat up on teams that aren’t as good as their former Pac 10 foes. As great as it sounds to play them, the way scheduling works is that it’s only one week that you’re gonna get out there for the most part. Two of the teams come here and you go out there to play the other two.

I think a lot of the regional northeast games are to save money, but in doing so they should be winning at least 2/3 of those games not just over 50% like they currently do

Penn State has to figure out their pitching staff, West Virginia really put a lot of money into a pitching lab to study spin rates and movement, Penn State has to do something similar
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How does little D2 Millersville consistently play at a high level and put players in the majors and we can't?
 
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Binder74 said:
How does little D2 Millersville consistently play at a high level and put players in the majors and we can't?
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Millersville is an outstanding division 2 program and their Coach, who’s an alum, has done an exceptional job the past 20 years. But let’s not go overboard, since 2019 Millersville hasn’t had a single player drafted in Penn State just had two drafted this year. Millersville gets most of their kids from eastern PA and a bunch of D1 kickbacks. These kids are all good ball players, but generally need another year or two to fully develop when the D1 programs aren’t willing to put in that time.
 
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Coaching matters. Rhoades doesn't seem to be the guy. Recruiting seems to have suffered under him. When you start bringing in a lot of international players is a sign to me that local/us based players don't want to play for you. Looking at past coaches Chambers and the guy who left for ND, they seemed to be able to recruit better players and do more with them. NIL has certainly changed the landscape but for a coach to start using that as an excuse is a sign that he needs to be replaced to me. Then I again I don't know enough about basketball and just a lazy person observation.
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Not to be contrary and the quality of player matters, but Illinois did well with an international cast of characters.
 
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Well, but those Illinois Euros obviously are at a different level than PSU's Euros.
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Most definitely. there are 'handlers' over there who farm the good euros out to schools. You have to pay that guy as well as the american contact he has who gives you his number before you get any guys.

There are 'A' level guys that Illinois gets, 'B' level, "C" level, etc. PSU is in the B/C group right now.
 
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Bison13 said:
Most definitely. there are 'handlers' over there who farm the good euros out to schools. You have to pay that guy as well as the american contact he has who gives you his number before you get any guys.

There are 'A' level guys that Illinois gets, 'B' level, "C" level, etc. PSU is in the B/C group right now.
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Also, a lot of those Euros who come over to play college basketball already have played pro ball in countries like Spain.
 
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What I don't understand is why we can't be at least average vs the B10 in NIL for basketball? There should be more money left over from football than there is. How do all the B10 schools have more hoops NIL than us? Schools like Washington, Nebraska, Northwestern, Minnesota, Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland. There is no reason why we should not be matching them in NIL.

If we got to average in NIL then maybe we can win 8-12 conference games and make the Dance every third or fourth year. Not great but better than where we are now.
 
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PSUForever said:
What I don't understand is why we can't be at least average vs the B10 in NIL for basketball? There should be more money left over from football than there is. How do all the B10 schools have more hoops NIL than us? Schools like Washington, Nebraska, Northwestern, Minnesota, Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland. There is no reason why we should not be matching them in NIL.

If we got to average in NIL then maybe we can win 8-12 conference games and make the Dance every third or fourth year. Not great but better than where we are now.
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PSU football is the "icon" the "bell cow" and if and I emphasis "if" published estimates are close to correct, at minimum they trail Ohio State, USC, Michigan and Oregon. I've seen various reports that place Indiana, Nebraska and UCLA slightly above, even and others just a bit below PSU. It's pretty easy to imagine where PSU basketball ranks.
 
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Marshall2323 said:
PSU football is the "icon" the "bell cow" and if and I emphasis "if" published estimates are close to correct, at minimum they trail Ohio State, USC, Michigan and Oregon. I've seen various reports that place Indiana, Nebraska and UCLA slightly above, even and others just a bit below PSU. It's pretty easy to imagine where PSU basketball ranks.
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I wonder if the fund raising for the stadium upgrade impacts the NIL available for basketball. Posters have pointed out the need for some big pocketed donors for basketball, but no one is stepping up. Perhaps some potential donors have instead donated to the stadium campaign. Thoughts?
 
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Parkland Fan said:
I wonder if the fund raising for the stadium upgrade impacts the NIL available for basketball. Posters have pointed out the need for some big pocketed donors for basketball, but no one is stepping up. Perhaps some potential donors have instead donated to the stadium campaign. Thoughts?
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As I've stated repeatedly here....that premise was perhaps the #1 reason for the fissure in the Franklin/Kraft relationship. Franklin insisted that the timing and scope of the renovation was ill advised. Kraft forged ahead, insisting that wouldn't be the case at all. When promised NIL funds weren't produced prior to the 7/1/25 deadline for the new NIL clearinghouse...the feces hit the fan.
Most agree that upgrades and safety issues were needed. But much of the project appears to be spent on items the average fan will never enjoy. Football recruiting seems to give empirical evidence that Kraft miscalculated badly.
 
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NittanyLionRoar said:


From the horse’s mouth.
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What a pile of hyperbolic baloney.


Tough competition between this interview, and the South Carolina Miss America candidate.
It is tough to answer questions when telling the truth isn't an option.

("Honest" "Transparent" Yes, he actually said those words :rolleyes: )


BTW: It was pretty clear, I think:
Given Rhoades recent interview - and this talk from Kraft - and the obvious contradictions between the two, that Coach Rhoades is still at PSU only because Kraft:
A) Doesn't have any money available to pay his buyout
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B) He doesn't want to be responsible for fouling up yet another sports coach search so quickly on the heels of his most recent one.

Hard to feel "sorry" for anyone in this situation, since they both are being paid wheelbarrows full of cash - but Rhoades does appear, from all that I have seen, to be a decent guy who works hard at his job. So I can certainly empathize, even if it would be impossible to feel "sorry" (and I am sure the last thing he wants is anyone feeling sorry for him)
 
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PSUForever said:
What I don't understand is why we can't be at least average vs the B10 in NIL for basketball? There should be more money left over from football than there is. How do all the B10 schools have more hoops NIL than us? Schools like Washington, Nebraska, Northwestern, Minnesota, Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland. There is no reason why we should not be matching them in NIL.
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Our NIL for basketball matches our fan support for basketball, overall interest in basketball, etc. "Why can't we be average in the Big Ten"? Being average means that we'd be ahead of teams that take men's basketball extremely seriously.

You throw out Maryland...they've won a National Title in the last 25 years, and have a fanbase that treats basketball with equal importance as football. They are able to fill their building for big games, have alums that care about the success of the basketball program, etc.

Nebraska? They pack their building night in and night out regardless of how bad they are. They are pretty much a unicorn, in that their fans will throw their full support behind a program with little to no historical success. If their NIL matches their fan support in any way, they are well ahead of PSU.

Then you've got us...many fans have no issue throwing $ at Hockey or Wrestling because they care about it more than men's hoops. We can't pack the BJC for a weeknight game in the best of seasons. Putting money towards men's basketball means redirecting it from Hockey, Wrestling, and most importantly, Football. Almost all fanbases in the Big Ten would be ok with that since they care a lot about the success of men's basketball. PSU is the outlier.
 
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