OM guy - Suber - leading the British Open

STATEgrad04

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On PGA Tour radio this afternoon they were recapping the day and the guy went into the entire hotty toddy cheer before talking about Suber. Just sickening! While he seems like a good guy and a really good golfer, that is more than enough to make him "The Heel" for me in today's golf.
 

RocketDawg

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John Weatherington Suber III, from Florida. If that ain’t typical Ole Miss, nothing is.

It's even worse, assuming the television is right this morning: JACKSON Suber. At least it's not Jaxson.

So - Jackson Weatherington Suber III :oops:
 

RocketDawg

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On PGA Tour radio this afternoon they were recapping the day and the guy went into the entire hotty toddy cheer before talking about Suber. Just sickening! While he seems like a good guy and a really good golfer, that is more than enough to make him "The Heel" for me in today's golf.
Funny - I love playing golf, and watching it on television. But listening on the radio? Never thought I'd do it.

But Master's weekend we went to Georgia because my granddaughter was in something we needed to go to at UGA, and on the way I tuned in to the Masters on Sirius XM. My wife was wide-eyed that golf was on radio And I sorta was too, but it's not as bad as it sounds.
 

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Funny - I love playing golf, and watching it on television. But listening on the radio? Never thought I'd do it.

But Master's weekend we went to Georgia because my granddaughter was in something we needed to go to at UGA, and on the way I tuned in to the Masters on Sirius XM. My wife was wide-eyed that golf was on radio And I sorta was too, but it's not as bad as it sounds.
I feel the same way about NASCAR. The PRN/MRN broadcast is way more exciting than the call on TV.
 
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It's even worse, assuming the television is right this morning: JACKSON Suber. At least it's not Jaxson.

So - Jackson Weatherington Suber III :oops:
Im not going to root against him just because he's a UMiss grad.

But that name. Jackson Wearherington Suber III needs to stick to working at Daddy's bank.
 

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Post event DeChambeau was awarded a two stroke penalty..... I did not agree with the ruling.
Anyway, there is a chance that he will bail, and not play the rest of the tournament.
He was in 2nd and one stoke out of the lead, ...before the penality.
I watched on replay - trying to catch up after the 3 a.m. start. I wondered if he'd stomped around too much in the rough. Apparently the opinion of the R&A, he did.

Rahm threw his club after a "poor" shot. He only got a warning.
 

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I fully understand why the tournament ruled the way they did by letter of the law. What I don't understand is how there was no benefit of the doubt with the way that particular kind of tall grass bends and folds over when you walk on it.

I guess the expectation was for him to make a big roundabout circle and drag his feet after getting his line?
 
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Shmuley

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I fully understand why the tournament ruled the way they did by letter of the law. What I don't understand is how there was no benefit of the doubt with the way that particular kind of tall grass bends and folds over when you walk on it.

I guess the expectation was for him to make a big roundabout circle and drag his feet after getting his line?
The technical ruling is “you left and took the Saudi blood money, and we hate your guts, 2 stroke penalty.”
 

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Under the same circumstances, would Rory or Tommy Fleetwood been given a penalty? Maybe this is more an a LIV penalty, but a US penalty.

Is he going to play tomorrow?
 
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I fully understand why the tournament ruled the way they did by letter of the law. What I don't understand is how there was no benefit of the doubt with the way that particular kind of tall grass bends and folds over when you walk on it.

I guess the expectation was for him to make a big roundabout circle and drag his feet after getting his line?
I agree, by the letter of the law I guess it’s a penalty but it seemed a little heavy handed to me. And I think DeChambeau is meat head but I do have sympathy for him in this case.
 
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They’re just pissed we’ve been celebrating the 250th anniversary of their most valuable asset kicking them in the teeth and taking their Champion of the World title. Their country and teeth have never recovered. This is the biggest punch they can throw back.

ETA: Bryson should wear a Messi jersey on the range today.
 
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RocketDawg

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He goes by Jackson, probably for Stonewall.
He's playing with a fired up DeChambeau today. There's certainly room for distraction in that group. At the very least, he'll get a lot of TV time.

I sort of halfway expected Trump to call the R&A guys to protest the penalty since he and DeChambeau appear to be buddies, but I suppose he knew he couldn't win that one.
 

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I think they set a pretty bad precedent on this. You have to lift your feet when walking in hip high grass. It is a natural golf move to stand behind your ball to figure out your line. If you watch his swing the ball is back in his stance and he picks up his club quickly. He did not effect his swing path.

Golfers won't be allowed to stand behind their ball in the rough.
 

ckDOG

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I think they set a pretty bad precedent on this. You have to lift your feet when walking in hip high grass. It is a natural golf move to stand behind your ball to figure out your line. If you watch his swing the ball is back in his stance and he picks up his club quickly. He did not effect his swing path.

Golfers won't be allowed to stand behind their ball in the rough.
Yeah that was my concern. As a golfer you are used to a stepping behind your ball to get your line and then approaching the ball in a muscle memory way. The visual of that grass crunching made it look more impactful than it really was IMO. Had he circled around and approached more from the side would he have gotten hit for building a stance instead? It would have had the same visual - just for his stance instead which is also game for penalty.

What Wyndham Clark did a few weeks back at the US Open looked far more impactful (likely intentional as well) and should have been penalized.
 

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Golf Digest seems to agree with absolutely everyone on this.


SUMMARY:

It was a rules violation, and the R&A was right to enforce it.

Other players have gotten away with worse violations in the rough, subtly tamping down grass with a fairway wood, or standing a little too close to their ball.

Bryson reasonably believes he was a victim of selective enforcement, but the R&A has to draw a line somewhere.

My take: the two stroke penalty is cool, but only if the pro tours start strictly enforcing the rule against everyone.
 
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I think they set a pretty bad precedent on this. You have to lift your feet when walking in hip high grass. It is a natural golf move to stand behind your ball to figure out your line. If you watch his swing the ball is back in his stance and he picks up his club quickly. He did not effect his swing path.

Golfers won't be allowed to stand behind their ball in the rough.

Yeah that was my concern. As a golfer you are used to a stepping behind your ball to get your line and then approaching the ball in a muscle memory way. The visual of that grass crunching made it look more impactful than it really was IMO. Had he circled around and approached more from the side would he have gotten hit for building a stance instead? It would have had the same visual - just for his stance instead which is also game for penalty.

What Wyndham Clark did a few weeks back at the US Open looked far more impactful (likely intentional as well) and should have been penalized.
I saw a more thorough explanation this morning. He didn’t improve his lie but he cleared out the tall grass that would be in his backswing. It’s still a bit ticky to me but it makes more sense.
 

Bulldog Bruce

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Golf Digest seems to agree with absolutely everyone on this.


SUMMARY:

It was a rules violation, and the R&A was right to enforce it.

Other players have gotten away with worse violations in the rough, subtly tamping down grass with a fairway wood, or standing a little too close to their ball.

Bryson reasonably believes he was a victim of selective enforcement, but the R&A has to draw a line somewhere.

My take: the two stroke penalty is cool, but only if the pro tours start strictly enforcing the rule against everyone.
So basically it's golf's version of refs swallowing their whistles in the 4th quarter because they don't want to effect the game. So when they do make a call it's seems more unfair.