Could we hire PJ Fleck after this season?

[85Bears]

You talk about others' credibility and then you post this. I really hope you're not this stupid in real life and it's just a sixpack gimmick.

Teams have to field an 85 man roster. You still have to have in state connections and recruit your area well. You aren't doing NIL bidding on all 85 players. 77 and I have disagreed on a lot but he's a million percent right on Leach's recruiting. Under Leach, our entire recruiting network in the region got wrecked. It took years to build it and it will take years to rebuild it. We are still paying the price for it and it's a big reason Lebby is struggling in state right now. To deny this is to be completely divorced from reality.

It's unfortunate that Leach died. But he had already been telling people that the next season was going to be his last anyway. And we would've ultimately had the same problems. He had a great career and is a legend in a lot of ways but his legacy at Mississippi State will be how the roster got cratered. That's reality that some of you blind Leach loyalists can't get your head around.

lol, this is ridiculous made up spin and propaganda.

In the nil transfer portal era you can flip your roster in a year. players chase the highest bidder. No one with an iq above 70 can blame a coach from 2022, for recruiting two years later. It’s typical low brow lack of class to blame a guy whose no longer around to defend himself for someone else’s failures. That’s all this is. The anti Leach forces within the boosters and ath dept own this.

the reason the boosters/Petersons moves were so devastating is they burned the program to the ground that Leach had built, and did not have the nil money to rebuild. You don’t fire the staff, run players off, change the offense all at once unless you have the money to rebuild all at once, obviously this program doesn’t have that kind of money. Very poor decision making.

 

[Drebin]

Let’s break this down a little. Gundy is a hard no for me. Look at his last two years at OkState 3-9 1-11 fired mid season. Why would you want that! guys on the down cycle and zero fire to get back into the war of the SEC. Deboer just signed a huge extension. Sark isn’t getting fired at Texas another moot point. Riley sure he’s not winning at the clip at USC but he’s had one year of 7 wins followed by 9 wins. He’s probably got a great chance at the playoffs in the BIG10 this year. Kelly I said was an interesting name but again he’s got a lot of off field issues. You then bring ip Huff. No one has brought his name up but you. I’m not anti huff like you but not pro huff either. I think you need to do a little more research on coaches before being definitive on a coach. Again. Let’s see how this year plays out before we start a hot board

This is something else that annoys me...people just throw out coaching names as if results elsewhere translate to results here. This job is unique and it takes a certain type of coach. There has to be a culture fit and you have to connect with people in the region to be able to recruit the area successfully. There are so many coaches who do well in one place and fall on their faces elsewhere. It's not because they forgot to coach or whatever - it's just a different job. I think about Napier at FL for example. He's probably a guy who would've had success similar to Mullen here because this job was a better cultural fit. He just wasn't right for the FL job.

A Gundy could be successful here. It would depend on recruiting and NIL. But it's probably a better cultural fit than say a Brian Kelly. Just because he's won elsewhere doesn't mean he'd come in here and do it. There's just too many variables.

 

[Drebin]

lol, this is ridiculous made up spin and propaganda.

In the nil transfer portal era you can flip your roster in a year. players chase the highest bidder. No one with an iq above 70 can blame a coach from 2022, for recruiting in two years later. It’s typical low brow lack of class to blame a guy whose no longer around to defend himself for someone else’s failures. That’s all this is. The anti Leach forces within the boosters and ath dept own this.

the reason the boosters/Petersons moves were so devastating is they burned the program to the ground that Leach had built, and did not have the nil money to rebuild. You don’t fire the staff, run players off, change the offense all at once unless you hve the money to rebuild all at once, obviously this program doesn’t hve that kind of money. Very poor decision making.

Guys your coach recruited in 2022 would be leaders in this program last year and this year. This roster didn't/doesn't have that. But go on about MUH TWO YEARS AGO. You're like the guy with Down's Syndrome telling the doctor he's stupid for thinking you have Down's Syndrome.

This isn't basketball. You don't flip your entire roster. Teams that do are mostly unsuccessful. Occasionally it works out, like at Indiana. But they had a culture and a base of returning players to make it work. And they don't want to do that every year because it's a longterm recipe for disaster. Everyone wants to talk continuity with coaches but it's even more important to have continuity with your roster. That's how you build accountability and culture. That's why Mullen was relatively successful here.

At this point you should probably disappear in shame for a few months like you did before.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

You talk about others' credibility and then you post this. I really hope you're not this stupid in real life and it's just a sixpack gimmick.

Teams have to field an 85 man roster. You still have to have in state connections and recruit your area well. You aren't doing NIL bidding on all 85 players. 77 and I have disagreed on a lot but he's a million percent right on Leach's recruiting. Under Leach, our entire recruiting network in the region got wrecked. It took years to build it and it will take years to rebuild it. We are still paying the price for it and it's a big reason Lebby is struggling in state right now. To deny this is to be completely divorced from reality.

It's unfortunate that Leach died. But he had already been telling people that the next season was going to be his last anyway. And we would've ultimately had the same problems. He had a great career and is a legend in a lot of ways but his legacy at Mississippi State will be how the roster got cratered. That's reality that some of you blind Leach loyalists can't get your head around.

This is just a Mississippi mentality. We create this big drama about everything. Fake news. We act like the way we do things around here is the right way because it worked in 1980.

Facts are, the 2020-2023 recruiting classes were all top 30, Mississippi-centric and an incredibly high hit rate in the portal. And oh look, Kelley Jones and Isaac Smith, the reasons our defense might actually be decent this year......Leach recruits.

I had this mentality too, even at the time Leach was hired. At least about the X and Os and if the Air Raid could work here. I quickly changed my mind when it became obvious that yeah, it certainly can be done here. And this nonsense about cratering programs has always been just that...nonsense. Didn't happen at Texas Tech or Washington State. And it happened here because Arnett and Lebby are morons.

 

[Drebin]

This is just a Mississippi mentality. We create this big drama about everything. Fake news. We act like the way we do things around here is the right way because it worked in 1980.

Facts are, the 2020-2023 recruiting classes were all top 30, Mississippi-centric and an incredibly high hit rate in the portal. And oh look, Kelley Jones and Isaac Smith, the reasons our defense might actually be decent this year......Leach recruits.

I had this mentality too, even at the time Leach was hired. At least about the X and Os and if the Air Raid could work here. I quickly changed my mind when it became obvious that yeah, it certainly can be done here. And this nonsense about cratering programs has always been just that...nonsense. Didn't happen at Texas Tech or Washington State. And it happened here because Arnett and Lebby are morons.

Two guys? That's your response to this? Two guys?

You should talk to some high school coaches in the state. I know a few.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

This is something else that annoys me...people just throw out coaching names as if results elsewhere translate to results here. This job is unique and it takes a certain type of coach. There has to be a culture fit and you have to connect with people in the region to be able to recruit the area successfully. There are so many coaches who do well in one place and fall on their faces elsewhere. It's not because they forgot to coach or whatever - it's just a different job. I think about Napier at FL for example. He's probably a guy who would've had success similar to Mullen here because this job was a better cultural fit. He just wasn't right for the FL job.

A Gundy could be successful here. It would depend on recruiting and NIL. But it's probably a better cultural fit than say a Brian Kelly. Just because he's won elsewhere doesn't mean he'd come in here and do it. There's just too many variables.

I agree.....we need an older experienced guy who doesn't give a 17 what our fans think, and prioritizes defense.......and we need a president and AD that understands that. Jackie, Mullen and Leach all were that guy (though Mullen was younger - we all understand we got lucky there).

We've never recruited 'well' in our history, strictly speaking. 17 the MS high school coaches, yeah I'm sure they know what's going on.

 

[85Bears]

Guys your coach recruited in 2022 would be leaders in this program last year and this year. This roster didn't/doesn't have that. But go on about MUH TWO YEARS AGO. You're like the guy with Down's Syndrome telling the doctor he's stupid for thinking you have Down's Syndrome.

This isn't basketball. You don't flip your entire roster. Teams that do are mostly unsuccessful. Occasionally it works out, like at Indiana. But they had a culture and a base of returning players to make it work. And they don't want to do that every year because it's a longterm recipe for disaster. Everyone wants to talk continuity with coaches but it's even more important to have continuity with your roster. That's how you build accountability and culture. That's why Mullen was relatively successful here.

At this point you should probably disappear in shame for a few months like you did before.

Lol. What a joke. Nil and the transfer portal have teams rebuilding a roster in one season. This makes the stupid lies about Dave Emerick four years ago irrelevant and silly.
Take a look at Ole Miss 2027 class. They have signed all the top instate d and o lineman while state can’t sign anyone , Why is that ? In 2022 Leach got 5 out of the top 10 in state players with peanuts for nil ? How is that possible ?

you are FOS

 

[Baddog11]

There’s really only one choice. The guy at Unlv.

 

[Drebin]

Lol. What a joke. Nil and the transfer portal have teams rebuilding a roster in one season. This makes the stupid lies about Dave Emerick four years ago irrelevant and silly.
Take a look at Ole Miss 2027 class. They have signed all the top instate d and o lineman while state can’t sign anyone , Why is that ? In 2022 Leach got 5 out of the top 10 in state players with peanuts for nil ? How is that possible ?

you are FOS

Why did you wait until three hours later to come back and edit your post? Did you think I wouldn't see it? Want to get the last word but getting tired of getting your arse kicked?

Unsurprised at the pussie move. Don't be a little biatch. Be a man.

 

[85Bears]

Why did you wait until three hours later to come back and edit your post? Did you think I wouldn't see it? Want to get the last word but getting tired of getting your arse kicked?

Unsurprised at the pussie move. Don't be a little biatch. Be a man.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Lol. What a joke. Nil and the transfer portal have teams rebuilding a roster in one season. This makes the stupid lies about Dave Emerick four years ago irrelevant and silly.
Take a look at Ole Miss 2027 class. They have signed all the top instate d and o lineman while state can’t sign anyone , Why is that ? In 2022 Leach got 5 out of the top 10 in state players with peanuts for nil ? How is that possible ?

you are FOS

Emerick has already been demoted at USC…why you ask…. Cause his recruiting sucks… again you don’t know ****…
Secondly. OM hasn’t signed anyone yet… why cause signing day isn’t until Dec. again your wrong. You are some lame fan from who knows where Mississippi who doesn’t give to the school or to the athletic program but think you know everything. You think just cuz you read a rumor on a free message board that it’s the gospel truth. You and Goat are the absolute worst kind of fan because you invent a narrative that’s totally false just cuz. It’s like it plays into your lack of true information insecurities. You’d rather ***** about the program than get off your *** and donate. You would rather spew inaccurate information than try and help the program. Honestly it’s pretty disturbing.

 

[PBRME]

Future not looking too bright for Lebby.

 

[RocketDawg]

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Future not looking too bright for Lebby.

Alabama must have crashed under DeBoar if beating them is the same probability as beating Ole Miss.

And the chances of beating Texas are 1 in 25. Overall, that's a pretty tough schedule. We at least need to win the 3 we are favored to win. That won't be enough to save Lebby though.

 

[golferdog]

We need a 3-1, 4-0 start or it's going to be another really depressing football season.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

3-1 is the absolute minimum start for Lebby to still employed in mid-October. Even if we start out 2-2 and look OK in the losses, we have basically no chance of getting to 6-6 and can get out in front of the coaching wave.

 

[curseddawgs]

Here are the facts:
Mike Leach tragically passed away in December 2022, he was not fired.

Dave Emerick’s strategy of not offering kids until other sec schools offered turned many people in state off of our program. Whether you like it or not you have to have a good relationship with people in Mississippi if you want to be successful here.

Zach Arnett was promoted to head coach. He sat in offensive meetings and decided he didn’t want to run the Air Raid. His decision he was the head coach after all.

Going back to Mullen’s juco heavy Sweat and Abram 2017 class we have been patching together defensive lineman instead of directly addressing the problem and developing them like @OG Goat Holder correctly points out needs to be done at that position.

Only Mike Leach could run a program like Mike Leach. Promoting Spurrier or Hollingshead wouldn’t have worked.

@85Bears isn’t a Mississippi State fan. He’s a member of the air raid cult who joined message boards in 2023 to actively cheer against Arnett because we didn’t keep precious Drew Hollingshead as OC (who has been fired at every school he’s been at since 2022)

Our 2023 roster wasn’t as talented as we like to pretend it was. We only returned DeCam in the secondary. Also go look at McBath’s 21 and 22 cb classes yikes. Lost our best pass rusher and d lineman. Lost our best OL in sharp. As well as RaRa and Dillon Johnson. Did we underperform? Yes but that team wasn’t doing better than 7-5

Forgot to add: John Cohen was the worst athletic director in the SEC at the time. His pathetic lack of foresight and action about NIL was going to rear its ugly head and screw whoever the head coach was. We saw it in 2024 that was a roster that was put together with Pennies compared to the millions everyone else on our schedule had

 

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

Is this a real post. Cohen was the worst AD we have had since LT. He hires Moorehead, he wanted to hire judge before one of our assistant AD was contacted by leach reps. Not cohen. Boosters hires Jan’s. Not Cohen. He hired Andy C… that worked out well. Right … cohen then left because he didn’t want to deal with NIL. He’s probably going to get fired at AU because brining in Freeze followed by Golesh isn’t going to move that fan base. Golesh then decided to bring in his USF team. Good luck comrade . Cohen then promoted pearls son to basketball HC. You keep posting the most ridiculous stuff

That’s all tribal.

 

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

You can compare and contrast position coaches all you want, but at the end of the day, Jeff Lebby is still the head coach. He's won 1 SEC game in 2 years.

Silverfield is widely regarded as this year’s worst SEC newcomer head coach, is starting Year 0 with the Razornecks, and has more SEC wins than Low IQ Lebby. Let that sink in.

 

[Baddog11]

but but but Lebby had a good time at the beach during the offseason. Got sunburnt. Then got back and took the team to the water park. Made a video about it, which opposing coaches will show their team before our matchup and tell them this is what they were doing while we were putting in the work.

 

[OrangeThrower]

I could care less if he “lost control of the locker room”. I’d take 14 wins in the first 2 seasons with 2 bowl appearances and 2 Egg bowl wins over 7 wins (half) and 0 egg Bowl wins, getting blown off the field by Toledo.

I don’t care what type of offensive scheme Leach ran, I don’t care what the locker room culture was like under Moorhead. We could run the triple option for all I care, we could have a team full of thugs bigger than 2001 Miami. I simply do not care, all I care about is if that end of the game we have more points than the other team.

You can honestly say, based on what you’ve seen on the field thus far from Lebby, that you’d feel better about going into to his year 3 than you would us going into Leach’s year 3 or Moorhead’s year 3? This is a wins and losses business, period.

This is in the running for dumbest post ever.

Moorhead had “more points than the other team” more often because he inherited the number one defense in the country. He was given a top fifteen team and top 25 program at the time and in year two only won 1 more game than Lebby did in year 2. And Lebby inherited a dumpster fire and a fan base and program in despair, grieving, and shambles. The two is not ever comparable.

as for the 2 “eggs bowl wins” they were against 2 of the worst ole miss teams in the last 25 years, and one took a pi$$kick miss to win. Or else he also would have only won 5 games that year.

Conversely, Lebby has faced the two best ole miss teams in the last 25 years. And both were reasonably competitive.

As a bonus Lebby doesn’t have intentional inner team members injuring each other and does say things like “your gonna have to stage my yankee ace out of here”…..

Lebby ain’t the greatest but he’s not close to the clown Moorhead was. Again, dumbest post. You lose.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

There's nuance in all of this.

Jackie essentially fired his entire staff to appease LT and keep his job. The rest is history, good and then bad.

Folks didn't want to run Mullen off for his coaching. It was more about his job hunting and how the team looked flat in egg bowls due to it.

Leach's teams were difficult to watch. And we weren't recruiting well at all, and we all knew there was going to be a price to pay for that at some point.

You have to look at all these situations in context.

Leach’s teams being hard to watch had more to do with check down Charley panicking after 2 seconds in the pocket. He was on his way to signing a dual threat QB that would play the position without fear when he died.

water _bridge. Lebby et al, has to upset much more talented teams than his this year to keep his job. Firing him is very likely and may even cost us some talent to the transfer portal if State screws up the hire as per normal!