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Nike announces NIL signing with some of the nation's top high school football players – Nuuz.Net

Nike helped Kirby Smart amplify his NIL pitch to a larger audience

Gee, who could have predicted this? :unsure:


To - on purpose - move away from the absolute dominant force in its market, to go with Adidas - was just stunning.
To do so - moving away from the entity that lays orders of magnitude more potential on the table, just as we are entering the "NIL"-driven era of college football - is just amazing.
Whatever benefits PSU ballplayers get from Adidas will likely be "sofa cushion" money compared to the potential of Nike. How is that going to work out?

Oh, but fan(atics) were supposed to buy the tales coming from PSU Athletics - tales about a "$300 Million deal". Laugh or cry?
 
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Nike announces NIL signing with some of the nation's top high school football players – Nuuz.Net

Nike helped Kirby Smart amplify his NIL pitch to a larger audience

Gee, who could have predicted this? :unsure:


To - on purpose - move away from the absolute dominant force in its market, to go with Adidas - was just stunning.
To do so - moving away from the entity that lays orders of magnitude more potential on the table, just as we are entering the "NIL"-driven era of college football - is just amazing.
Whatever benefits PSU ballplayers get from Adidas will be "sofa cushion" money compared to the potential of Nike. How is that going to work out?

Oh, but fan(atics) were supposed to buy PK's tales about "$300 Million deal". Laugh or cry?
Meh, I don’t know how he still has a job!
 

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Nike announces NIL signing with some of the nation's top high school football players – Nuuz.Net

Nike helped Kirby Smart amplify his NIL pitch to a larger audience

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To - on purpose - move away from the absolute dominant force in its market, to go with Adidas - was just stunning.
To do so - moving away from the entity that lays orders of magnitude more potential on the table, just as we are entering the "NIL"-driven era of college football - is just amazing.
Whatever benefits PSU ballplayers get from Adidas will be "sofa cushion" money compared to the potential of Nike. How is that going to work out?

Oh, but fan(atics) were supposed to buy PK's tales about "$300 Million deal". Laugh or cry?
Every apparel company is supporting the NIL of their top schools a la this Nike Georgia deal. While I wasn't in the room, one of the supposed reasons we went with Adidas was because they will be offering more support in this area than Nike would have.
 

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Meh, I don’t know how he still has a job!
Bring back Sandy! (If it were an either/or choice - not kidding. And it wouldn't even be a tough call.)


Fan(atic)s, like those who post on message boards, have absolutely no duty or obligation to look out for the University's best interests. And emit no expectation of having any level of competence in such matters.
They - the fan(atic)s are perfectly free to have no more than a "Nike s***s! Oregon!! Boo!!" level of acumen or discernment.
But those who are charged with making those decisions in the best interests of the University are expected to have competence, and a commitment to duty. And to make reasoned INFORMED decisions.
When details about every impactful fiscal decision are HIDDEN:
- even from the folks with the ultimate governance responsibility (Trustees)
- and are not just "hidden", but are DENIED when demanded
- and when such deals are presented in ways that are, at best. abjectly disingenuous

Only a fool would trust or expect that such decisions are made in the best interests of the University.
 
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Every apparel company is supporting the NIL of their top schools a la this Nike Georgia deal. While I wasn't in the room, one of the supposed reasons we went with Adidas was because they will be offering more support in this area than Nike would have.
You believed that? Seriously?

Do you have any idea how dominant Nike is, relative to anyone, including Adidas - in the US "football" market?

I know, I know.... Nike = Oregon = Bad.
Though:
How PSU working with the dominant company, that provides scads more in the way of marketing (ie "NIL") and licensed apparel sales (which generate a lot of $ for the licensed schools) isn't likely to be far better for PSU - regardless of what Nike/Oregon do (which is 100% irrelevant) - would be somehow "bad" for PSU is just deep freeze brain thinking.
 
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Nike announces NIL signing with some of the nation's top high school football players – Nuuz.Net

Nike helped Kirby Smart amplify his NIL pitch to a larger audience

Gee, who could have predicted this? :unsure:


To - on purpose - move away from the absolute dominant force in its market, to go with Adidas - was just stunning.
To do so - moving away from the entity that lays orders of magnitude more potential on the table, just as we are entering the "NIL"-driven era of college football - is just amazing.
Whatever benefits PSU ballplayers get from Adidas will be "sofa cushion" money compared to the potential of Nike. How is that going to work out?

Oh, but fan(atics) were supposed to buy PK's tales about "$300 Million deal". Laugh or cry?
Tennessee just moved to Adidas; the last I heard is that they have a pretty good and significant athletic program. I wonder why they made the move from Nike to Adidas just like PSU.
 
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Yep, that's relevant to the topic at hand

:rolleyes:

(Save you some time: So are Michigan and Tex A&M, and several others. ;))
Yeah, and also little ole Indiana, which just won the NC, is an Adidas school. Schools like Nebraska, UCLA and Washington also are Adidas schools. It’s relevant because some of the biggest and most successful athletic programs are Adidas schools and obviously believe that Adidas is doing something right for them. It’s not like PSU signed an apparel deal with Mo’s Discount Shop down the block.

If PSU had chosen to stay with Nike, some would be complaining about that. The Adidas deal just went into effect two weeks ago; none of us know how that’s going to affect the athletic program financially at this time.
 
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Nike announces NIL signing with some of the nation's top high school football players – Nuuz.Net

Nike helped Kirby Smart amplify his NIL pitch to a larger audience

Gee, who could have predicted this? :unsure:


To - on purpose - move away from the absolute dominant force in its market, to go with Adidas - was just stunning.
To do so - moving away from the entity that lays orders of magnitude more potential on the table, just as we are entering the "NIL"-driven era of college football - is just amazing.
Whatever benefits PSU ballplayers get from Adidas will be "sofa cushion" money compared to the potential of Nike. How is that going to work out?

Oh, but fan(atics) were supposed to buy PK's tales about "$300 Million deal". Laugh or cry?
One article says 6 current Georgia players got an NIL deal, and one recruit (not Spell). The other article says 11 total recruits across all football schools got a deal. Neither article laid out the details of the deals. How does this significantly help recruiting? 1 Georgia recruit got a deal. Only 11 recruits at all schools got a deal. About 1/18 of the players on Georgia’s roster got some type of deal. It does not give details of the deals. It does not say that Adidas is not doing anything for PSU. Nike gave PSU a bad deal. PSU negotiated with Nike and Adidas and took the best deal.
 
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The Adidas offer was more than Nike. Kraft is a meathead for many reasons, but this was a good decision.
Obviously, you can believe anything you want. :sneaky:

I am sure all of your datasets are absolutely just as righteous as the well-vetted reams of inside info you have shared on the coaching search, recruiting, and everything else.

BTW: Prepare for all the media releases (Mark Wogenrich will probably have his ear to the wall :) ) about all the PSU/Adidas "NIL deals". Seriously, and obviously, there will certainly be many.
And, obviously, the righteous and accurate information will flow - right? Just as it has for the last two years with accurate tracking of the (nearly non-existent) Beaver Stadium "philanthropy".
People who don't know the definition of "philanthropy" should acquaint themselves.
 
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Obviously, you can believe anything you want. :sneaky:

I am sure all of your datasets are absolutely just as righteous as the well-vetted reams of inside info you have shared on the coaching search, recruiting, and everything else.

BTW: Prepare for all the media releases (Mark Wogenrich will probably have his ear to the wall :) ) about all the PSU/Adidas "NIL deals". Seriously, and obviously, there will certainly be many. And for the righteous and accurate information to flow - just as it has for the last two years with accurate tracking of the (nearly non-existent) Beaver Stadium "philanthropy".
People who don't know the definition of "philanthropy" should acquaint themselves.
So Kraft had a better deal from Nike but turned it down for a worse deal from Adidas?
 
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Obviously, you can believe anything you want. :sneaky:

I am sure all of your datasets are absolutely just as righteous as the well-vetted reams of inside info you have shared on the coaching search, recruiting, and everything else.

BTW: Prepare for all the media releases (Mark Wogenrich will probably have his ear to the wall :) ) about all the PSU/Adidas "NIL deals". Seriously, and obviously, there will certainly be many. And for the righteous and accurate information to flow - just as it has for the last two years with accurate tracking of the (nearly non-existent) Beaver Stadium "philanthropy".
People who don't know the definition of "philanthropy" should acquaint themselves.
Would love to hear some facts behind your opinions. Do you have any that support your thesis that the Addidas offer is not better than the Nike offer, beyond just saying so?
 

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Would love to hear some facts behind your opinions. Do you have any that support your thesis that the Addidas offer is not better than the Nike offer, beyond just saying so?
I’ll let him speak for himself but I’ve taken his comments as … “he didn’t show us any meaty, credible numbers so I have to assume there’s a reason for that, and that reason can’t be good.”
 
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Obviously, you can believe anything you want. :sneaky:

I am sure all of your datasets are absolutely just as righteous as the well-vetted reams of inside info you have shared on the coaching search, recruiting, and everything else.

BTW: Prepare for all the media releases (Mark Wogenrich will probably have his ear to the wall :) ) about all the PSU/Adidas "NIL deals". Seriously, and obviously, there will certainly be many. And for the righteous and accurate information to flow - just as it has for the last two years with accurate tracking of the (nearly non-existent) Beaver Stadium "philanthropy".
People who don't know the definition of "philanthropy" should acquaint themselves.
Why does this topic make you so angry? Personally, I prefer Nike, but I fail to see what they have done for PSU athletes over the last few years. In the end, who cares. Football season cannot get here quickly enough! So much anger here on the board.
 

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Why does this topic make you so angry? Personally, I prefer Nike, but I fail to see what they have done for PSU athletes over the last few years. In the end, who cares. Football season cannot get here quickly enough! So much anger here on the board.
Your only responsibility on any of this is to be - if you choose to be - a fan(atic).
And if your day is better with three stripes on your gear, as opposed to a swoosh - or vis versa - more power to ya'.

I can't imagine any more would be asked of you, by anyone. So - enjoy! Why not?

(FWIW: "Angry" would be your words, not mine. Disgusted and disappointed would be far more accurate - certainly NOT angry. The PSU leadership's convulsive inability to be honest will do that to ya' - if you are the type of person who cares about such things, and the best interests of the University)
 
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Your only responsibility on any of this is to be - if you choose to be - a fan(atic).
And if your day is better with three stripes on your gear, as opposed to a swoosh - or vis versa - more power to ya'.

I can't imagine any more would be asked of you, by anyone. So - enjoy! Why not?

(FWIW: "Angry" would be your words, not mine. Disgusted and disappointed would be far more accurate - certainly NOT angry. The PSU leadership's convulsive inability to be honest will do that to ya' - if you are the type of person who cares about such things, and the best interests of the University)
You must be new to the PSU family. Our leadership has failed us in a variety of ways since 2011. It’s nothing new. But the Adidas contract is certainly not a failure or a reason to be disgusted. Perhaps you need to find some zen, a vacation, or some Xanax.
 

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Obviously, you can believe anything you want. :sneaky:

I am sure all of your datasets are absolutely just as righteous as the well-vetted reams of inside info you have shared on the coaching search, recruiting, and everything else.

BTW: Prepare for all the media releases (Mark Wogenrich will probably have his ear to the wall :) ) about all the PSU/Adidas "NIL deals". Seriously, and obviously, there will certainly be many.
And, obviously, the righteous and accurate information will flow - right? Just as it has for the last two years with accurate tracking of the (nearly non-existent) Beaver Stadium "philanthropy".
People who don't know the definition of "philanthropy" should acquaint themselves.
But we don't have the data. You seem to imply that you do; please share it. It doesn't matter what Nike might have given other schools, only what they offerred Penn State relative to Adidas (and others?). I don't care what logo is on our shoes/unis, just how it benefits Penn State. So tell us facts.
 

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But we don't have the data. You seem to imply that you do; please share it. It doesn't matter what Nike might have given other schools, only what they offerred Penn State relative to Adidas (and others?). I don't care what logo is on our shoes/unis, just how it benefits Penn State. So tell us facts.

We‘re just lucky to have shoes.
 

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What are you on about? Are you really trying to say Nike offered PSU more and PSU thumbed its nose and went for less with Adidas… because why?

Maybe the recent prominent supposed apparently alleged insinuation by someone that we are a place that has to do more with less was dead on?

Unless we’re now a place that does less with less. More or less. 🤪
 
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Yeah, and also little ole Indiana, which just won the NC, is an Adidas school. Schools like Nebraska, UCLA and Washington also are Adidas schools. It’s relevant because some of the biggest and most successful athletic programs are Adidas schools and obviously believe that Adidas is doing something right for them. It’s not like PSU signed an apparel deal with Mo’s Discount Shop down the block.

If PSU had chosen to stay with Nike, some would be complaining about that. The Adidas deal just went into effect two weeks ago; none of us know how that’s going to affect the athletic program financially at this time.
L'il ole Indiana has a l'il contract worth about $5.4 million a year, mostly in-kind, at retail.

UCLA is currently a Nike/Jordan school. They were an Adidas school for a long time, but turned down an attractive (at the time) extension for what would have been a blockbuster contract with Under Armor. That deal quickly circled the toilet. Most of its current deal is also in kind, also at retail.
 

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L'il ole Indiana has a l'il contract worth about $5.4 million a year, mostly in-kind, at retail.

UCLA is currently a Nike/Jordan school. They were an Adidas school for a long time, but turned down an attractive (at the time) extension for what would have been a blockbuster contract with Under Armor. That deal quickly circled the toilet. Most of its current deal is also in kind, also at retail.
Thanks for the correction about UCLA; I know that they were an Adidas school for a long time, but I just checked one of their on-line stores and saw that you’re right about them switching to the Jump Man brand. Nevertheless, my point was that many big time schools, including the current football NC, are Adidas schools, so it’s not like PSU signed with some fly by night company.

If you’ve been watching the World Cup, you notice that a lot of the teams are outfitted by Adidas, including the two teams that will play for the championship on Sunday. Because of their prominence in global soccer, Adidas might be a more prominent sports apparel company than Nike is globally.
 
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Thanks for the correction about UCLA; I know that they were an Adidas school for a long time, but I just checked one of their on-line stores and saw that you’re right about them switching to the Jump Man brand. Nevertheless, my point was that many big time schools, including the current football NC, are Adidas schools, so it’s not like PSU signed with some fly by night company.

If you’ve been watching the World Cup, you notice that a lot of the teams are outfitted by Adidas, including the two teams that will play for the championship on Sunday. Because of their prominence in global soccer, Adidas might be a more prominent sports apparel company than Nike is globally.
Nike is more prominent on a national and global scale, but you make an excellent point that Adidas is no slouch and in fact the second most prominent sportswear company. It’s not like they are a generic walmart brand, and they gave us more money. Easy decision.
 
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Thanks for the correction about UCLA; I know that they were an Adidas school for a long time, but I just checked one of their on-line stores and saw that you’re right about them switching to the Jump Man brand. Nevertheless, my point was that many big time schools, including the current football NC, are Adidas schools, so it’s not like PSU signed with some fly by night company.

If you’ve been watching the World Cup, you notice that a lot of the teams are outfitted by Adidas, including the two teams that will play for the championship on Sunday. Because of their prominence in global soccer, Adidas might be a more prominent sports apparel company than Nike is globally.
Ah, yes! Now we have someone barking up the right tree - or at least sniffing around in the right forest. Hurray!

Let's look at a few facts:
Apparel deals - decades ago, when they first became common, were composed of two parts:
1 - Provide a bunch of gear pro-bono
2 - Maybe include a bit of cash money

Why? From the vendor's perspective, outfitting a prominent sports team with gear - gear that had the VENDORS "NIL" plastered onto it - was worth something. It gave more prominence to the vendor - essentially "advertising". Each time that client's teams took the field, thousands of folks saw the vendor's logo on display. That value to the vendor was quid pro quo-ed by giving the team free gear, and maybe a bit of $ sweetener. That is why, for example Texas got a better deal than North Texas. More folks watched Texas play - broader advertising value - than the number of folks who watched North Texas compete.

Now, what else now influences these deals?
3 - Sales of "licensed" gear (which was always a part, but now generally a MUCH more significant factor)
and, most recently:
4 - "NIL" deals

These deals between Nike/Adidas/Underarmour etc, and the teams also include licensing/royalty payments. When the deals are done, they typically include exclusive rights, to one degree of another, for the vendor to be the seller of "official" merchandise. The quid pro quo there? The vendor benefits, as all fans looking for official merchandise have to buy from them (NIke, Adidas, etc), and the team gets a cut of the sales (X% of the sales price of each official item).
In today's world that royalties amount can be a very sizable figure (look around you at a sports event and see how many fanatics are wearing "team gear" that costs them $100s, and cost the manufacturer $2 in Asian labor).
What determines how "good" the deal is for the team? Two things - how much stuff does the vendor sell (the sales volume generated on licensed merchandise) and the "X" - the percentage of those sales dollars that gets kicked back to the team. The "X" is easy enough to uncover - it is typically a flat number agreed to by both parties when consummating the deal. The sales volume? That is a different animal, but certainly from the team's standpoint you want a vendor who is "prolific" - who sells a ton of stuff in the markets in which your "fans" are buying. In the case of nearly every major college athletic program, that market is: the domestic college football market, and to a lesser degree, the domestic college basketball market. Anything else is rounding error.

"NIL" deals:
This is the new monkey in the wrench. The basic logistics are: Vendor uses some of their marketing and advertising budget to promote their gear (including gear with "officially licensed" merchandise of their stable of clients) - the quid pro quo is that the vendor uses the college teams players in that process - providing to the player some "NIL" money, and providing to the team a nice marketing pitch - "Come to our school, and you will have company(ies) willing to pay you to advertise their product and "build your brand"". Theoretically, any company could pay any athlete. Practically, companies are going to make deals with those athletes who are a part of their "stable" - part of the group of programs that they have merchandise deals with.


And now, you can see why you are sniffing in the right forest. I hope.

Which vendors can yield the highest royalty payments to the team?
Obviously, those with a dominating presence in the domestic college football market (and a bit of weight to the domestic college basketball market).

Which vendors can yield the highest "NIL" marketing benefits to the school (and the individual players)? Those with the highest advertising presence and "Q Value", if you will, and the largest advertising/marketing budgets - in the relevant markets.

Is the picture becoming clearer? Keep in mind, the "values" of the royalty part, and the "NIL" part are typically not contracted at "X" dollars - because the components of those values are not static.

Now, lets look at the two companies in question - Nike and Adidas:

1 - Within rounding error, Nike's annual sales are twice that of Adidas. But that is just the start.
2 - As you mentioned, of their sales, a far larger portion of Adidas is driven by soccer (fine for them, but there is essentially ZERO "soccer market" domestically for college programs. Ask any sports fan to name 5 top players in college soccer - or even 5 top teams in college soccer. Good luck). So that relevant part of Adidas' market - which started out at 1/2 of Nike's - is even "more smaller" in any market that PSU (or any other similar program) cares about
3 - Further - Adidas' market is skewed towards Europe, South America, and East Asia - far more so than Nike. Not a surprise - Adidas is a Euro company focused on soccer. Nike is a US company focused on Football and Basketball

So, to what degree can/will a deal be able to be mutually beneficial to PSU?

Put that all together, and a smaller and less prominent company (Adidas), whose "prominence" is skewed towards a market type that is irrelevant to college programs (Soccer), and whose demographic market type is skewed to regions that are irrelevant to college programs (Euro, South America, East Asia), and you have a whole confluence of factors that make vendor A (Nike) far better positioned to be of value to a USA college athletics program.
These factors, which are generally not contractually defined (not laid out in specific hard dollar contract terms - they really can't be) have HUGE implications in the era of NIL.
PSU just decided to go with a vendor B that will be operating (and therefore PSU operating) with one hand tied behind their back (maybe both hands).

That is, unless you believe the "stories" that came out from PSU athletics in conjunction with the deal being announced - that PSU was going to receive tens of millions of "NIL" money per year (as part of this "$300 Million deal") to buy CHAMPIONSHIP rosters for its sports programs. If you believe that, good luck.

Anyway, fan(atics) are free to believe whatever they want. They are free to "love" a deal simply because they want three stripes on their gear instead of a swoosh (or vice versa), they are free to "hate" (or love) one vendor because of where they are located. They are free and of no obligation to consider ANYTHING. It is not their duty to care.

But there WILL be implications for their favorite sports program. No doubt about that.
Generally, fan(atics) will never know what those implications are- not when the target program involved is PSU. Why not? Because PSU has a uniquely non-transparent way of conducting its business, and a unique level of non-righteousness in their history of "what they say" vs "the full truth".

Enough said. People can recognize common sense (and also know that there will be limits to their understanding - either because they don't really care all that much, or because getting full and accurate information is not possible for them).
Or they can choose to just wave the pom-poms, have a drink, and enjoy the game - win or lose. That may be the best option for most people.
 
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, and they gave us more money.
If you actually give it some reasoned thought (and read previous post), you may change your mind - or at least have a lot of questions. Or you can sit back and hope that on Christmas morning the tens of millions of "NIL" money will magically appear under the tree - thanks to Santa Kraft.


Good luck with that.
 
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You believed that? Seriously?

Do you have any idea how dominant Nike is, relative to anyone, including Adidas - in the US "football" market?

I know, I know.... Nike = Oregon = Bad.
Though:
How PSU working with the dominant company, that provides scads more in the way of marketing (ie "NIL") and licensed apparel sales (which generate a lot of $ for the licensed schools) isn't likely to be far better for PSU - regardless of what Nike/Oregon do (which is 100% irrelevant) - would be somehow "bad" for PSU is just deep freeze brain thinking.
You're undervaluing Addias
 
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Obviously, you can believe anything you want. :sneaky:

I am sure all of your datasets are absolutely just as righteous as the well-vetted reams of inside info you have shared on the coaching search, recruiting, and everything else.

BTW: Prepare for all the media releases (Mark Wogenrich will probably have his ear to the wall :) ) about all the PSU/Adidas "NIL deals". Seriously, and obviously, there will certainly be many.
And, obviously, the righteous and accurate information will flow - right? Just as it has for the last two years with accurate tracking of the (nearly non-existent) Beaver Stadium "philanthropy".
People who don't know the definition of "philanthropy" should acquaint themselves.
You're not making any sense man
 

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Ah, yes! Now we have someone barking up the right tree - or at least sniffing around in the right forest. Hurray!

Let's look at a few facts:
Apparel deals - decades ago, when they first became common, were composed of two parts:
1 - Provide a bunch of gear pro-bono
2 - Maybe include a bit of cash money

Why? From the vendor's perspective, outfitting a prominent sports team with gear - gear that had the VENDORS "NIL" plastered onto it - was worth something. It gave more prominence to the vendor - essentially "advertising". Each time that client's teams took the field, thousands of folks saw the vendor's logo on display. That value to the vendor was quid pro quo-ed by giving the team free gear, and maybe a bit of $ sweetener. That is why, for example Texas got a better deal than North Texas. More folks watched Texas play - broader advertising value - than the number of folks who watched North Texas compete.

Now, what else now influences these deals?
3 - Sales of "licensed" gear (which was always a part, but now generally a MUCH more significant factor)
and, most recently:
4 - "NIL" deals

These deals between Nike/Adidas/Underarmour etc, and the teams also include licensing/royalty payments. When the deals are done, they typically include exclusive rights, to one degree of another, for the vendor to be the seller of "official" merchandise. The quid pro quo there? The vendor benefits, as all fans looking for official merchandise have to buy from them (NIke, Adidas, etc), and the team gets a cut of the sales (X% of the sales price of each official item).
In today's world that royalties amount can be a very sizable figure (look around you at a sports event and see how many fanatics are wearing "team gear" that costs them $100s, and cost the manufacturer $2 in Asian labor).
What determines how "good" the deal is for the team? Two things - how much stuff does the vendor sell (the sales volume generated on licensed merchandise) and the "X" - the percentage of those sales dollars that gets kicked back to the team. The "X" is easy enough to uncover - it is typically a flat number agreed to by both parties when consummating the deal. The sales volume? That is a different animal, but certainly from the team's standpoint you want a vendor who is "prolific" - who sells a ton of stuff in the markets in which your "fans" are buying. In the case of nearly every major college athletic program, that market is: the domestic college football market, and to a lesser degree, the domestic college basketball market. Anything else is rounding error.

"NIL" deals:
This is the new monkey in the wrench. The basic logistics are: Vendor uses some of their marketing and advertising budget to promote their gear (including gear with "officially licensed" merchandise of their stable of clients) - the quid pro quo is that the vendor uses the college teams players in that process - providing to the player some "NIL" money, and providing to the team a nice marketing pitch - "Come to our school, and you will have company(ies) willing to pay you to advertise their product and "build your brand"". Theoretically, any company could pay any athlete. Practically, companies are going to make deals with those athletes who are a part of their "stable" - part of the group of programs that they have merchandise deals with.


And now, you can see why you are sniffing in the right forest. I hope.

Which vendors can yield the highest royalty payments to the team?
Obviously, those with a dominating presence in the domestic college football market (and a bit of weight to the domestic college basketball market).

Which vendors can yield the highest "NIL" marketing benefits to the school (and the individual players)? Those with the highest advertising presence and "Q Value", if you will, and the largest advertising/marketing budgets - in the relevant markets.

Is the picture becoming clearer? Keep in mind, the "values" of the royalty part, and the "NIL" part are typically not contracted at "X" dollars - because the components of those values are not static.

Now, lets look at the two companies in question - Nike and Adidas:

1 - Within rounding error, Nike's annual sales are twice that of Adidas. But that is just the start.
2 - As you mentioned, of their sales, a far larger portion of Adidas is driven by soccer (fine for them, but there is essentially ZERO "soccer market" domestically for college programs. Ask any sports fan to name 5 top players in college soccer - or even 5 top teams in college soccer. Good luck). So that relevant part of Adidas' market - which started out at 1/2 of Nike's - is even "more smaller" in any market that PSU (or any other similar program) cares about
3 - Further - Adidas' market is skewed towards Europe, South America, and East Asia - far more so than Nike. Not a surprise - Adidas is a Euro company focused on soccer. Nike is a US company focused on Football and Basketball

So, to what degree can/will a deal be able to be mutually beneficial to PSU?

Put that all together, and a smaller and less prominent company (Adidas), whose "prominence" is skewed towards a market type that is irrelevant to college programs (Soccer), and whose demographic market type is skewed to regions that are irrelevant to college programs (Euro, South America, East Asia), and you have a whole confluence of factors that make vendor A (Nike) far better positioned to be of value to a USA college athletics program.
These factors, which are generally not contractually defined (not laid out in specific hard dollar contract terms - they really can't be) have HUGE implications in the era of NIL.
PSU just decided to go with a vendor B that will be operating (and therefore PSU operating) with one hand tied behind their back (maybe both hands).

That is, unless you believe the "stories" that came out from PSU athletics in conjunction with the deal being announced - that PSU was going to receive tens of millions of "NIL" money per year (as part of this "$300 Million deal") to buy CHAMPIONSHIP rosters for its sports programs. If you believe that, good luck.

Anyway, fan(atics) are free to believe whatever they want. They are free to "love" a deal simply because they want three stripes on their gear instead of a swoosh (or vice versa), they are free to "hate" (or love) one vendor because of where they are located. They are free and of no obligation to consider ANYTHING. It is not their duty to care.

But there WILL be implications for their favorite sports program. No doubt about that.
Generally, fan(atics) will never know what those implications are- not when the target program involved is PSU. Why not? Because PSU has a uniquely non-transparent way of conducting its business, and a unique level of non-righteousness in their history of "what they say" vs "the full truth".

Enough said. People can recognize common sense (and also know that there will be limits to their understanding - either because they don't really care all that much, or because getting full and accurate information is not possible for them).
Or they can choose to just wave the pom-poms, have a drink, and enjoy the game - win or lose. That may be the best option for most people.
You still haven't provided any evidence to say this was a bad deal dollar-wise. Do you have any?

Your argument seems to boil down to "bigger is better". Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Many clients benefit from going with a company/vendor that is not #1 for a variety of reasons. Do you know what Penn State's reasons are? It's premature to make a judgment without knowing that information. If you know it, state it.
 
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I guess PSU f*cked up again. 😞

To add to it, if PSU had stuck with Nike, and word had gotten out that Adidas had courted them, Barry would be lambasting the powers that be for NOT switching to Adidas.

No matter what is done, it's wrong.

Except if we had started up our own brand, labeled "Air Paterno" and paid for that ourselves ... now that would make sense to Barry.
 

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Nike announces NIL signing with some of the nation's top high school football players – Nuuz.Net

Nike helped Kirby Smart amplify his NIL pitch to a larger audience

Gee, who could have predicted this? :unsure:


To - on purpose - move away from the absolute dominant force in its market, to go with Adidas - was just stunning.
To do so - moving away from the entity that lays orders of magnitude more potential on the table, just as we are entering the "NIL"-driven era of college football - is just amazing.
Whatever benefits PSU ballplayers get from Adidas will likely be "sofa cushion" money compared to the potential of Nike. How is that going to work out?

Oh, but fan(atics) were supposed to buy the tales coming from PSU Athletics - tales about a "$300 Million deal". Laugh or cry?
I realized how stupid your thread would be when you started with “wisdomness”.
 
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Every apparel company is supporting the NIL of their top schools a la this Nike Georgia deal. While I wasn't in the room, one of the supposed reasons we went with Adidas was because they will be offering more support in this area than Nike would have.
True, and will Nike match or come close to the offer made to Georgia ?
 

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Nike announces NIL signing with some of the nation's top high school football players – Nuuz.Net

Nike helped Kirby Smart amplify his NIL pitch to a larger audience

Gee, who could have predicted this? :unsure:


To - on purpose - move away from the absolute dominant force in its market, to go with Adidas - was just stunning.
To do so - moving away from the entity that lays orders of magnitude more potential on the table, just as we are entering the "NIL"-driven era of college football - is just amazing.
Whatever benefits PSU ballplayers get from Adidas will likely be "sofa cushion" money compared to the potential of Nike. How is that going to work out?

Oh, but fan(atics) were supposed to buy the tales coming from PSU Athletics - tales about a "$300 Million deal". Laugh or cry?
I'm not a Pat Kraft fan but I'm pretty sure that players don't care who pays them the money.
 

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Lionel Messi is sponsored by Addidas. What was he thinking?
He is probably thinking: "Its a s&&t-ton of money"
And he is probaly a soccer playr from Argentina, who plays in Europe (I expect).
And, if he were to think of it - which he wouldn't - he would realize none of it has anything to do with any topic at hand.

Because even though, IIRC, he has very little formal education - he is also probably not a complete imbecile.

Duh?? Red light flashes twice.