Fox and MLB making it seem you could just ride …

[DAWGSANDSAINTS]

your bike down to the ballpark in South Philadelphia and go to the game like you may could back in the 60’s and 70’s and early 80’s
Much different today and like many big cites, crime has taken over and made it much more difficult to do a lot things we used to do without much consideration for safety.
Sad!

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

 

[FlotownDawg]

Philadelphia is significantly safer now than it was in the 1970s and 80s. There were 435 recorded homicides in Philadelphia in 1975. There were 222 recorded homicides in 2025.

 

[DAWGSANDSAINTS]

I lived there in the late 80’s and early 90’s and never felt unsafe or worried too much about violent crime and still visit a couple of times per year but now it definitely makes me think about where I go and the times I go and watch my surroundings much more closely.
Maybe it’s the prevalence of news/social media coverage and my age that makes it feel much different

 

[woozman]

your bike down to the ballpark in South Philadelphia and go to the game like you may could back in the 60’s and 70’s and early 80’s
Much different today and like many big cites, crime has taken over and made it much more difficult to do a lot things we used to do without much consideration for safety.
Sad!

My family and I were in Philly last week and it surprised me how clean it was. Actually enjoyed it much more than I expected. And yes it was perfectly fine to walk or bike (we did that too) in the city.

 

[dawgstudent]

I lived there in the late 80’s and early 90’s and never felt unsafe or worried too much about violent crime and still visit a couple of times per year but now it definitely makes me think about where I go and the times I go and watch my surroundings much more closely.
Maybe it’s the prevalence of news/social media coverage and my age that makes it feel much different

I remember an epic fight in West Philadelphia that occurred on a playground. It was so bad - the kid went to live with his uncle in the early 1990’s.

 

[Colonel Angus.sixpack]

It’s like any other big city. Keep your head on a swivel even in the good parts of town. Don’t go anywhere you don’t belong and you’ll be fine.

 

[DT4248]

Almost like entertainment channels are incentivized to keep you watching and so they report sensationalist news about scary parts of cities and don't show you how the "super predator" of the early 90s never materialized and crime steadily dropped and drastically.

Yea **** still happens. But it happens less frequently while being shown more frequently. We curtailed violent crime by eliminating the births of those most susceptible of turning to a life of crime - children born to poverty and single mothers - with a national policy decision in 1973.

Now in 2040... i fully expect a constant spike against this since we reversed course on that decision in 2022. So enjoy the last 10 years of it being like this.

 

[ronpolk]

I lived there in the late 80’s and early 90’s and never felt unsafe or worried too much about violent crime and still visit a couple of times per year but now it definitely makes me think about where I go and the times I go and watch my surroundings much more closely.
Maybe it’s the prevalence of news/social media coverage and my age that makes it feel much different

You lived in the place for several years, visit a couple times a year and never have an issue but you’re still saying it’s not safe? Yeah, I think I’d agree that you’re spending too much time on social media.

There is certainly a possibility that you could be the victim of a random attack/crime but most crime is between known individuals.

 

[o_Hot Rock]

Your perception of cities is ...

Which US states have the highest murder rates? | USAFacts

Mississippi’s homicide rate, the highest in the nation, is 14 times that of New Hampshire, the lowest.

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Murder rates by state​

In 2024, 29 states had murder rates less than half the national average, while four of the top five states exceeded twice the national rate.

What state has the highest murder rate?​

Mississippi had the highest murder rate in 2024, followed by:

1. Mississippi
2. Louisiana
3. Alabama
4. New Mexico
5. Tennessee

 

[mstateglfr]

Almost like entertainment channels are incentivized to keep you watching and so they report sensationalist news about scary parts of cities and don't show you how the "super predator" of the early 90s never materialized and crime steadily dropped and drastically.

Yea **** still happens. But it happens less frequently while being shown more frequently. We curtailed violent crime by eliminating the births of those most susceptible of turning to a life of crime - children born to poverty and single mothers - with a national policy decision in 1973.

Now in 2040... i fully expect a constant spike against this since we reversed course on that decision in 2022. So enjoy the last 10 years of it being like this.

Is your name Steven Levitt or Stephen Dubner?

 

[vhdawg]

Philadelphia is significantly safer now than it was in the 1970s and 80s. There were 435 recorded homicides in Philadelphia in 1975. There were 222 recorded homicides in 2025.

Do we thank the Philadelphia PD or the Neshoba County Sheriff's Dept for this, or both?

 

[The Peeper]

Philadelphia is significantly safer now than it was in the 1970s and 80s. There were 435 recorded homicides in Philadelphia in 1975. There were 222 recorded homicides in 2025.

Philadelphia is significantly safer now than it was in the 1970s and 80s. There were 435 recorded homicides in Philadelphia in 1975. There were 222 recorded homicides in 2025.

This chart only goes through 2023. It shows the same number you did for 1975 but 2021 shows 563 homicides, 2022 shows 514. 2023 down to 423 homicides. It's not the 'City of Brotherly Love'. Jackson has shown its all in how you report the crimes, like accountants cooking two different sets of books

 

[DT4248]

Is your name Steven Levitt or Stephen Dubner?

Stats are stats man. Numbers don't lie - people do. Freakonomics was a good book.

 

[mstateglfr]

Stats are stats man. Numbers don't lie - people do. Freakonomics was a good book.

I am not disagreeing with your initial post's point. Its an interesting claim to dive into and consider.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Philadelphia is significantly safer now than it was in the 1970s and 80s. There were 435 recorded homicides in Philadelphia in 1975. There were 222 recorded homicides in 2025.

And the 222 were no where near the stadium.

 

[FlotownDawg]

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This chart only goes through 2023. It shows the same number you did for 1975 but 2021 shows 563 homicides, 2022 shows 514. 2023 down to 423 homicides. It's not the 'City of Brotherly Love'. Jackson has shown its all in how you report the crimes, like accountants cooking two different sets of books

There was an uptick in violent crime during and after the Covid pandemic. But since 2023, the crime statistics have gone down drastically. Now I wouldn't go in the ghetto at 2am, but the places that tourists go in big cities are the safest part of the city. I recently went to Chicago and felt very safe. Cops and security were all over the place.

 

[DT4248]

I am not disagreeing with your initial post's point. Its an interesting claim to dive into and consider.

Interesting is one word. Scary and off putting is another. But the data is the data. And frankly it feels common sense to say that if you're giving poor folks better access to birth control methods then less poor folks get bred into situations where kids aren't well supported.

And if being poor & having a single mother are the two biggest indicators (not causes, indicators) of a child committing crime, then this feels obvious. 1991 being the peak in US murder rate is hilarious given that it's 18 years post Roe vs. Wade.

 

[DAWGSANDSAINTS]

You lived in the place for several years, visit a couple times a year and never have an issue but you’re still saying it’s not safe? Yeah, I think I’d agree that you’re spending too much time on social media.

There is certainly a possibility that you could be the victim of a random attack/crime but most crime is between known individuals.

It’s like any other big city. Keep your head on a swivel even in the good parts of town. Don’t go anywhere you don’t belong and you’ll be fine.

Tell that to the family whose son was killed not long ago by two scumbag thugs just a block or so from his house in a “safe” neighborhood of South Philly.
He was walking home from the sports bar close to his house after watching a game with some friends when these two (insert your own description) demanded his cell phone and he did comply but they shot and killed him anyway.
Couples in Center City have been mugged and beaten up in places you wouldn’t expect and no I don’t get my total viewpoint from social media. A lot comes News6 and from friends who live outside the city and still love going to the Linc or to Phillies games and park very close to the stadiums with 50,000 others but will Uber to restaurants in Philly so they get dropped off at the front door and picked up at the front door.
They are born and raised Philadelphians but don’t feel the city is safe at all.

 

[Seinfeld]

My family and I were in Philly last week and it surprised me how clean it was. Actually enjoyed it much more than I expected. And yes it was perfectly fine to walk or bike (we did that too) in the city.

This is kinda like my experience with moving to Jackson for a year in '06. And by that, I mean the exact opposite

 

[John Deaux VII]

Interesting is one word. Scary and off putting is another. But the data is the data. And frankly it feels common sense to say that if you're giving poor folks better access to birth control methods then less poor folks get bred into situations where kids aren't well supported.

And if being poor & having a single mother are the two biggest indicators (not causes, indicators) of a child committing crime, then this feels obvious. 1991 being the peak in US murder rate is hilarious given that it's 18 years post Roe vs. Wade.

It is common sense and believe it or not it was the basis for many Republicans supporting abortion up until the early 1980's - Nixon, Bush 41, and Nelson Rockefeller were all on the record as supporting abortion access as a function of crime control.

 

[DAWGSANDSAINTS]

And the 222 were no where near the stadium.

That’s because there are relatively no neighborhoods close to the sports complex.
That starts north of I76 and driving thru those neighborhoods is risky much less riding a 17-ing bicycle!
So don’t post something if you don’t know what your really talking about.

 

[Duggar Hall Desk]

your bike down to the ballpark in South Philadelphia and go to the game like you may could back in the 60’s and 70’s and early 80’s
Much different today and like many big cites, crime has taken over and made it much more difficult to do a lot things we used to do without much consideration for safety.
Sad!

What a strange take on an obviously scripted interlude during an All Star Game. Not once did I interpret that performance as "South Philly is totally safe."

 

[QuaoarsKing]

They are born and raised Philadelphians but don’t feel the city is safe at all.

It seems like there is a common phrase about there about feelings and facts?

 

[TheDawg-Pound]

Interesting is one word. Scary and off putting is another. But the data is the data. And frankly it feels common sense to say that if you're giving poor folks better access to birth control methods then less poor folks get bred into situations where kids aren't well supported.

And if being poor & having a single mother are the two biggest indicators (not causes, indicators) of a child committing crime, then this feels obvious. 1991 being the peak in US murder rate is hilarious given that it's 18 years post Roe vs. Wade.

Are you serious? These rural towns have clinics. There is this medication that you might not have heard of called depo provera. It's a birth control shot. You can't force people to get it but it's readily avaliable. Also there is also a medication called plan B that you can go to Walmart or and pharmacy and get without a prescription. Again you can't make people use these just like you can't make them stop having sex. Just like people keep trying to justify abortion because of "crime"/etc. There is always some excuse but that's just what it is. An excuse.
It's sad. People would rather go somewhere and have their baby killed than pay for plan B or a take the time and go to a clinic visit (which possibly is free).

 

[TheDawg-Pound]

And yes not all crime is reported/reported the same.

 

[DT4248]

Are you serious? These rural towns have clinics. There is this medication that you might not have heard of called depo provera. It's a birth control shot. You can't force people to get it but it's readily avaliable. Also there is also a medication called plan B that you can go to Walmart or and pharmacy and get without a prescription. Again you can't make people use these just like you can't make them stop having sex. Just like people keep trying to justify abortion because of "crime"/etc. There is always some excuse but that's just what it is. An excuse.
It's sad. People would rather go somewhere and have their baby killed than pay for plan B or a take the time and go to a clinic visit (which possibly is free).

I'd be happy with a world where we didn't fight Iran and Plan B was free and readily available to everyone and not $50/pop. We spent what at least a trillion on that?

Say that there's 150 or so million women of a sexually active and could get pregnant age in our country (i'm high estimating to make a point on both $ and population)

1 trillion on a free plan b reform bill could have gotten the average woman 133 plan B pills instead. But nope we spent it on making oil higher for everyone.

Why don't we ever spend our taxes on cool quality of life things? Clearly the budget is magically there for all of it during republican presidencies.