and it sounds like all 50 states will have the have the option to vote for or against changing the clocks . Is it me or does this sound like a giant CF ?
So Congress is about to vote on time change
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A complete CF if States can decide it and don't all follow suit.
Where does Trump stand on the issue because that will determine if the Democrats are for it or not.
Tried DST year round under Nixon in 1974 and it didn't last a year .
I’m sure a lot of that came from New York and Chicago where sunrise would be 9 am and kids were walking to school and waiting on the bus in the dark coldest part of the day. Florida would welcome it. Especially us Central Timers.
I don't understand why the time change is such an issue. I get different parts of the U.S., the sun sets at different times. But it seems here in Mississippi, it is perfectly arranged.
We have adjusted on the calendar, when we fall back and spring forward. So that it's perfect for where the earth is on its orbit and we maximize efficient use of day light.
I don't get it being an issue. It's not that hard to change a clock.
We have adjusted on the calendar, when we fall back and spring forward. So that it's perfect for where the earth is on its orbit and we maximize efficient use of day light.
I don't get it being an issue. It's not that hard to change a clock.
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Because some of us hate it getting dark at 5 pm. But I also get that it impacts others in other ways.
But can’t states choose already- Arizona does not recognize DST
I used to be in the crowd of DST all the time as well, but it doesn’t work, especially if you live up north and if you live on the eastern side of a time zone. Just leave it alone and continue to change the time, we already did this once in the 70s and everyone hated it. Why are we doing it again and why are we allowing each state to decide?
LOL.... 50 year Republican voter here and I have learned to question most of Trumps proposals myself .
It's this way now. Arizona and I think Hawaii don't change. I am pretty sure any state can opt out.
They're doing it to keep from doing their jobs of focusing on the more important issues. Vote all of
em out
I think what he’s saying is it would eventually be fine but if 23 go one way and 25 go the other. The prep with air travel, maps, scheduling software, etc would be a massive undertaking
I don't like it getting dark at 5pm either. But I dislike more, it not getting daylight until 8am. Which would be the case if we stayed DST.
Exactly. It would be a lot of unnecessary confusion. I'm in the Standard Time Zone year-round camp. But really as long as pick one (Standard, Daylight Savings or the current flip-flop between the two) I think we can all adjust. But heck, I'm retiring in 6 months so I'll just do what I want when I want and the heck with what time they say it is.
I dont understand why it would be a ClusterFuck.
As it stands, states can change their time(with DOT or Congressional approval) and states can choose to not participating in Daylight Saving(with no Federal approval). Then lastly, states can observe year-round Daylight Saving(with DOT or Congressional approval law change).
So if Congress soon says states can choose to do what they want...that will kinda sorta just be not much different from how it is now.
- States can already choose to not participate in Daylight Saving.
- States already have areas split to work best with larger metros. NW Indiana is Central time because of Chicago Metro and Evansville area is Central time because of Tri-State economics(IL and Western KY are Central). North Idaho is Pacific time due to Spokane. El Paso TX is Mountain time to align with New Mexico and Juarez MX economics.
- Most of Arizona doesnt observe Daylight Saving.
If a few more states adjust things as a result of this law...ok then.
Maybe I am missing something big here? Not sure why it would be a total mess.
To be clear- I am not advocating for perma-DST and not advocating to eliminate DST. I just dont see how state choice would result in total chaos. It would just be more of what we already have.
As it stands, states can change their time(with DOT or Congressional approval) and states can choose to not participating in Daylight Saving(with no Federal approval). Then lastly, states can observe year-round Daylight Saving(with DOT or Congressional approval law change).
So if Congress soon says states can choose to do what they want...that will kinda sorta just be not much different from how it is now.
- States can already choose to not participate in Daylight Saving.
- States already have areas split to work best with larger metros. NW Indiana is Central time because of Chicago Metro and Evansville area is Central time because of Tri-State economics(IL and Western KY are Central). North Idaho is Pacific time due to Spokane. El Paso TX is Mountain time to align with New Mexico and Juarez MX economics.
- Most of Arizona doesnt observe Daylight Saving.
If a few more states adjust things as a result of this law...ok then.
Maybe I am missing something big here? Not sure why it would be a total mess.
To be clear- I am not advocating for perma-DST and not advocating to eliminate DST. I just dont see how state choice would result in total chaos. It would just be more of what we already have.
Yeah which is why I know it impacts everyone differently. I don’t care about that but know some do
I have seen this sort of map make its way around from time to time and since I am a map nerd, you all get to see it too.
It shows the latest time in the morning that the sun would rise, if DST were made permanent.
I would hate to live in Western North Dakota on a good day, but having the sun rise at 10am would make it awful.
The sun rising at 930 in Detroit MI, Indianapolis IN, Toledo, IN, and Boise ID would be wild for the 8MM people that live in those metros. That could create huge change in economies, schooling, etc.
It shows the latest time in the morning that the sun would rise, if DST were made permanent.
I would hate to live in Western North Dakota on a good day, but having the sun rise at 10am would make it awful.
The sun rising at 930 in Detroit MI, Indianapolis IN, Toledo, IN, and Boise ID would be wild for the 8MM people that live in those metros. That could create huge change in economies, schooling, etc.
Indiana used to not recognize it in counties in the Eastern time zone, but finally switched 20 years ago.
Time change has economic, educational, and societal impacts.
Maybe you want them to focus on other things, thats fair, but the issue has such a significant impact on the country, it is tough to argue it is 'unimportant'(because more important issues should be prioritized).
Arizona is kind of crazy. The State ignores Daylight Saving Time, it stays on Mountain Standard time year-round, but the Navaho Nations does recognize it. Part of the year they have two different times. I think the act that is being debated will keep us on Daylight Savings Time.
True. Any person can opt out too. You will just be late or early in relation to most everyone else.*
I've always been a DST all year person, but I do get the problems for up north. Now I'm more of a let the earth do what it does guy. I'm not crazy about it getting dark at 5 either, but it's winter. That is just what it does whether you call it 5PM or you call it 8AM. I hate 98 degrees around this time of year. I'm not crazy about 30 degree temperatures either, but again, it's winter!
For travel it will be confusing. Mamaw won’t stand a chance.
For any sort of time recording of local events in software it will be super confusing. Each state will basically have its own TZ from a data storage and display perspective. That alone will be a nightmare.
Exactly. And really don't mind it getting dark at 5PM either. It's winter. Generally bleak and dreary anyway.
Good lord. Even 8:00-8:30 sunrise here would suck. People who say they want this haven't really thought it through. I see why we changed back after 1 year back in the 70s.
I think there's survey data from the time showing it really wasn't any less popular, it was just that people that didn't like the change were the loudest. Kind of questioning my memory, because I'm not sure how much surveying was done back then, but I believe I read something like that.
Regardless, there's zero chance that any change isn't going to take a year to adjust to.
And if Standard Time went permanent sunrise would be 4:45 in June where I live. Could you imagine booking a charter boat? Okay get on the boat at 4:15 AM. I’d be drunk by 10 am. NTTIAWWT
There was a proposal that was going to make DST all year round and ET for the entire state of Florida. The company I worked for had branches in AL and Florida. So I could have gone to an 8 AM meeting in Pensacola that lasted an hour and drive to Eastern Shore to make an 8AM meeting. There would have been fights between the float tellers picking branches to work at.
Good point. Maybe we should just leave it alone. It's worked out OK for the last 100 years.
If I'm going to work in the dark, I don't really care if it's dark for 30 minutes or an hour and a half. But having 15 minutes of daylight after work or an hour and 15 minutes of daylight after work makes a big difference.
But also, at times in Mississippi t's basically daylight from 6:30am to 5:15ish pm. You've got an hour daylight while the average person is getting ready for work and no daylight when the average person is getting home. It makes perfect sense that people would want to change that.
Live in Pensacola and work in Daphne. Would be great in the morning, but it would suck around quitting time.
Agreed.
One thing that often gets overlooked in the permanent DST debate is that the clock isn’t the only thing we can change.
Countries like Finland often start school later, especially for older students, because adolescent circadian rhythms naturally shift later. Instead of asking teenagers to function at 7:30 AM, they adjust schedules to better match human biology.
Finland’s has a world-class education system that shows later school day starts and shorter school days overall can coexist with outstanding academic achievement
If the U.S. ever adopted permanent DST, pairing it with later school start times and more flexible work schedules could preserve evening daylight while also helping students get the sleep they need.
Maybe the better question isn’t just, “What time should the clock say?” It’s, “What schedule makes the most sense for the way people actually sleep and live?”
if you’ve ever raised teenagers you know their bodies and brains operate on completely different schedules.