2027 recruiting
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Saying the offensive coordinator had “very little” to do with how bad an offense was over a multi year stretch is just so mind numbingly stupid. But, it’s what I’ve come to expect from eyes.
How did you jump from nitpicking Bud to Brian ? Just more rationalizing the constant anti KF posts br the usual suspects
Actually, Barta called BF "uniquely qualified" for the position, at the time of his hire.
The offense stalled out in '22 when its engine, the o-line, didn't function.
Having had a serviceable o-line in '22, the offense would have looked like most any other BF offense.
The offense stalling out was not a culmination thing.
And given that BF had almost nothing to do with the bad luck circumstances that led to the condition of the '22 o-line, the rest of the equation is pretty simple.
And it's all been spelled out, in detail, on this board many times
KF being an “expert” on offensive football might be a stretch.
You really don’t understand the connection as to why someone might be inclined to question a KF hire after Brian? Really?
And why does asking questions/expressing doubt rise to the level of treason in your view? Seems like a pretty large leap, especially since I never claimed to be an expert or know more than Kirk.
With that said, the Budster hire is, in fact, still curious to me. And despite all the pearl clutchers and their unending virtue signaling, I have yet to read any type of cogent response beyond “this is mutiny against the Captain!” tribalistic drivel as any sort of explanation. Perhaps someday one of our other resident board experts will enlighten us, because, yeah, I am still genuinely curious what the Budster brings to the table.
Yes let’s question every decision KF makes because we can always bash him over Brian. Yawn
Unless you’re planning a parody response, citing Gary Barta’s “ringing endorsement” is probably not something you want to lead off with.
Again, who is responsible for recruiting and developing offensive players, which includes the OL? Oh, and what was Brian’s previous position on the staff prior to being promoted? Just curious.
Again, pointing out the poor talent Brian recruited does not bolster your argument. I’m not sure why you want to continue down that path. You are cooking yourself.
I don’t know what you mean by that (I could guess but I don’t see a point in doing so). And we are talking three full years of “stalling out.”
That’s a lot of stalling.
Even if I grant you this point, it does not explain three seasons of offensive futility.
I know. And therein lies the issue—no one outside of eyesofsteviewonder or close friends and family of Brian Ferentz consider your crayon doodling to spell out anything of substance beyond most common renderings of the acronym BS.
A pattern developed. And was predictably going to continue on that course as long as it was allowed to carry on doing so. It was so hidden in plain view that if Ray Charles were alive today he could have spotted it with ease.
Take the L, eyes.
So, as expected, you threw up a straw man then tucked tail and ran.
Yes, boring indeed, but I accept your surrender.
Yeah. One, even two years, I get it.
But 3 with a trajectory continuing to trend toward awful? Lol…no.
And apparently eyesofsteviewonder thinks it was only the OL that lacked talent.
That’s not a straw man, you are bashing bud and KF and then when asked why you say but but Brian. Just cut to the chase you are one of the idiot crowd who gratuitously bashes KF
Yes, it meets the criteria perfectly. Do I need to explain it to you?
Nothing I typed is bashing either one. I am raising questions and expressing curiosity stemming from doubt. Loosen the grip on your pearls.
I must have missed any good faith questions.
Again, and I will type slowly for you this time: Referencing…Brian…establishes…reasons…for…why…I…am…asking…questions…about…the…qualifications…of…a…guy…originally…brought…on…as…some…type…of…advisor…quarterback…whisperer.
I, and others, are asking what we are missing in what KF sees as Budster being the best man to elevate a position group that has struggled mightily since ISM and Brandon Smith departed. In your mind, that is apparently akin to treason.
Stop straw manning just so you can continue to virtue signal and pat yourself on the back. It’s not a good look for you.
Whatever the f#ck this drivel is, it’s certainly not English.
Take the L.
yea really fresh take, KF sucks cuz Brian…
lets crap all over a HOF coach and the great run he’s had here. Iowa could easily slip back to being Nebraska or Minnesota after KF, and morons like you will richly deserve it.
Stop with the unqualified stuff. The guy held the position for 7 years. You're just embarrassing yourself.
'22/'23 not having been a culmination thing, for one, means there is no validity to poor recruiting/lack of talent narratives.
Most of the group of linemen that made up the broken line of '22/'23 have ended up on NFL rosters and a Joe Moore winning line. Lack of talent? You're cooking yourself.
And guess what, there was even more talent in the group of EIGHT o-lineman that were at one time projected to have been rotational players, and did not play one snap in '22.
And guess what, BF had next to nothing to do with that mass attrition at OL.
No, it wasn't 3 full years of stalling. The offense started struggling at the end of the '21 season, when injuries started to creep into the o-line. The numbers didn't end up looking great, but it was a functional offense.
The '22/'23 offense did not function. The engine did not run. A couple pistons started firing in the o-line in '23. Iowa was able to get some mileage out of the usage of much more gap scheme blocking. But the growth of the offense, as a whole, was stunted by having to play an emergency QB.
No a pattern didn't develop. Couldn't be further from the truth. Stuff didn't just all of the sudden not work anymore.
As a matter of fact, given the bad luck factors that led to the condition of the '22 o-line, and the recovery the unit has since experienced, an independent analysis of Iowa's football program would determine '22/'23 to be throw away years. Nothing close to a developed pattern.
All you had to do was simply listen to what KF told us all along. It has all proven to be true.
Is there a reason you chose not to do that? Do you have a point in any of this? Sure, it might be "fair" to criticize KF. But that won't keep you from sounding like an idiot. For what reason would anyone want to criticize him? We're talking about a hall of fame coach here. Why would anyone want to sound silly?
Wait. The O line wasn't the issue in 23? It was inept QB play? True but that is not what you have stated in the past. The offense hit long runs but overall it sucked. 0-92 against the decent teams they played. And the Ferentzes own every bit of that futility. Chased off Hogan and Labas. Neither of them were NFL caliber but either were better than the broken McNamara or Bacon Hill. "If we had to play our third string QB we would have stayed home." Brilliant.
Read better.
The '23 o-line, a year removed from being the worst O-line I've ever seen at Iowa, combined with an emergency QB that happened to be the worst QB I've seen take significant snaps at Iowa, was the issue in '23.
Actually 0-3 against the those teams, who were all far better than decent.
And you don't know the Ferentz's chased off Hogan and Labas. Guys transfer these days.
And from the sounds of it, the staff was left with no choice but to not play Labas. I don't mean to disparage the young man. But you either believe the rumors, or you believe that the staff was playing Hill because they believed him to be the better QB. Get real.
If anything, the staff deserves credit for having the foresight to have acquired an emergency QB.
The one thing I will say, is from my limited perspective, perhaps it wasn't a good idea to have been playing Cade with his initial injury. Probably a decent chance that led to his season ending surgery, which forced Hill into action.
But I'm not sure what your point is. Do you have one?
My point is you are a Ferentz apologist who wishes it was still the 40s. Kirk loathes offense because all he thinks about is everything that can go wrong. No star offensive skill players are coming to Iowa until they see that their skills will be utilized. Lester is the best hope I have seen that things might get better.
And my main point is this: you are a buffoon who talks like he is an expert at everything. You are a hack. Now eat ****
KF doesn't need an apologist. Again, his hall of fame career speaks for itself.
But fans need set straight and put in their place.
By "get better", certainly you're referring to more wins right?
I wasn't aware things weren't going well.
Here's your chance to prove your main point.....
Working hard is important. High energy is important. But recruiting is sales and lack of skill in that area can not be overcome by hard work and high energy in many situations. We had guys on campus. We needed to close and coudn't.
KF's winningest stretch at Iowa was with BF as OC.
Hard to say there was a whole lot of "error" in any of that
No, BF didn't run the offense into the ground. '22/'23 was not a culmination.
No, it's not accurate to characterize Iowa's offense as the worst in the country during Brian's tenure. Not even close. 2 seasons does not equal 7 seasons.
Then, we find more mischaracterization from fans, when we consider the fact that Iowa's staff intentionally chose in '22/'23, to pare things down/simplify (become more predictable), for the sake of properly setting each brick in the rebuild.
Is wins a major statistical category? Because the number one job of an offense is to help the team win
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Imagine dying on the hill of all things Iowa football related claiming BF wasn’t a bad OC and he wasn’t the issue with over seeing some of the worst offenses in the nation that made Iowa a national laughing stock.
then typing up hundreds of post defending him over how many months wasting countless hours typing up post (with half not even read or glossed over) to not change one persons opinion or have one person agree with your line of thought. Quite the dedication
then typing up hundreds of post defending him over how many months wasting countless hours typing up post (with half not even read or glossed over) to not change one persons opinion or have one person agree with your line of thought. Quite the dedication
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Just stop with the HOF crap. Any coach who has one of the worst offenses in college football for nearly a third of his tenure, and even then, had to have that situation corrected by his boss, has eliminated himself from any HOF consideration.
Crushed? How many 4 and 5 stars? What was their rank in the conference and in the country? I didn't see anything close to what I would consider to be a crush.
Imagine not being able to read.
The only thing I've ever said about BF, as an OC, is that I wasn't a big fan, and that from my limited perspective, I didn't think he had very good feel as a playcaller.
As far as not being the issue, BF wasn't the issue in what took the offense from serviceable to broken. Again, read better.
Again, I've never defended BF's offenses. My two points have always been:
1. BF as OC at Iowa, has wildly mischaracterized by fans.
2. And the fact that the most toxic level the community ever reached, was during the last season of KF's winningest stretch at Iowa, and there is absolutely no justification for that behavior from fans.
My thoughts on all of this are entirely a commentary on fans, not a defense of BF
Lol, you honestly don't think he's getting in?
He was winning all those years you didn't enjoy the offense.
Another bad fan with wrong priorities. You guys prove me correct all the time
One you aren’t changing any ones opinions. Two it’s laughable and sad how much time and energy you’ve dedicated and wasted away as in this thread alone. Lastly stop derailing threads. Funny how you are almost always involved in threads going off the rails just like this was a long one dealing with recruiting. But with your narcissistic personality you just can’t not have the last word and never admit you’re wrong and let sleeping dogs lie. You can write a replay but to save you time I and any one else won’t read it or ones who do will just laugh at your feeble take.
This. I go back and forth between thinking this guy is either the stupidest mofo walking the earth or the most clever troll ever
Did KF not hire PP.FIFY , eyesofsteviewonder
You’re welcome.
I feel sorry for you if you can't respect the wins Iowa had
Having takes strong enough to have readily available responses does not mean I have to have the last word.
Prove me wrong then. Because at this point it sounds like you are conceding.
If need be, I can show you exactly how BF has been wildly mischaracterized (my first point). There really isn't even any debating that.
And again, there's simply no justification for fan negativity to have been at its highest during the last season ('23) of KF's winningest stretch at Iowa (my second point).
Prove any of that to be wrong. You have the opportunity. Or, you can not read this, and stand by your name-calling.
And fans continue to be idiots. Bad fans are bad for Hawkeye athletics, and bad for sports. Not a sleeping dog at all
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Yes, overall, as I have stated many times, KF is a fantastic football coach. And it seems he hit a home run on the Tim Lester hire.
He still deserves criticism for Brian.
For some reason, that is still a mystery to me and many others, you seem to think everything has to be binary.
Was 6-4 part of KFs winningest stretch? That is what the record book shows for 2023Having takes strong enough to have readily available responses does not mean I have to have the last word.
Prove me wrong then. Because at this point it sounds like you are conceding.
If need be, I can show you exactly how BF has been wildly mischaracterized (my first point). There really isn't even any debating that.
And again, there's simply no justification for fan negativity to have been at its highest during the last season ('23) of KF's winningest stretch at Iowa (my second point).
Prove any of that to be wrong. You have the opportunity. Or, you can not read this, and stand by your name-calling.
And fans continue to be idiots. Bad fans are bad for Hawkeye athletics, and bad for sports. Not a sleeping dog at all
Not sure why he deserves criticism for BF.
Not sure why KF deserves criticism for anything.
The only things he deserves is complete respect, benefit of the doubt, extensive praise, and his hall of fame induction.
Binary, as in wins and losses? Yes, welcome to sports. Nobody cares about anyone's opinions