UofL helping ACC academic ratings

CB3UK

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UNC shouldn't even be an accredited school with the crap they pulled.
I simply don't care. The list is ranking the schools academically for the undergraduate student body, not which school has the greasiest methods of keeping players eligible. Every school has no room to throw stones there, us included. Glass house as it were.

The list is ranking schools based on academic excellence. UNC, for the general student population, is excellent. Should there be a double standard for their players where they cheat to keep them eligible to play? Of course not.

But in the current era of openly buying and paying players, I find it hard to give a fúck about any of that stuff. This is pro sports at this point.

I'm not going to pretend to get up in arms about Tennessee paying players with money in McDonalds bags. All of that crap just doesn't matter anymore.

And we are the worse for it.
 

Pygmy Sasquatch

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Pretty funny that's from Clemsonwire. James Barker and Clemson rigged and manipulated survey data, financial records, and class sizes in his/their attempts to become a top 20 university.
 

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I simply don't care. The list is ranking the schools academically for the undergraduate student body, not which school has the greasiest methods of keeping players eligible. Every school has no room to throw stones there, us included. Glass house as it were.

The list is ranking schools based on academic excellence. UNC, for the general student population, is excellent. Should there be a double standard for their players where they cheat to keep them eligible to play? Of course not.

But in the current era of openly buying and paying players, I find it hard to give a fúck about any of that stuff. This is pro sports at this point.

I'm not going to pretend to get up in arms about Tennessee paying players with money in McDonalds bags. All of that crap just doesn't matter anymore.

And we are the worse for it.
UKs vacated wins and Championships should be reinstated in that case.
 

Glenn's Take

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I simply don't care. The list is ranking the schools academically for the undergraduate student body, not which school has the greasiest methods of keeping players eligible. Every school has no room to throw stones there, us included. Glass house as it were.

The list is ranking schools based on academic excellence. UNC, for the general student population, is excellent. Should there be a double standard for their players where they cheat to keep them eligible to play? Of course not.

But in the current era of openly buying and paying players, I find it hard to give a fúck about any of that stuff. This is pro sports at this point.

I'm not going to pretend to get up in arms about Tennessee paying players with money in McDonalds bags. All of that crap just doesn't matter anymore.

And we are the worse for it.
Them handing out college degrees like a blind man gives out thermometers on a street corner has nothing to do with sports.
 
Jan 27, 2024
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City: Lexington, Kentucky

2025 SEC Rank: 11

Undergraduate enrollment: 25,534

U.S. News & World Report ranking 2024: No. 159

U.S. News & World Report ranking 2025: No. 152

U.S. News & World Report ranking 2026: No. 143


Versus U of L:

City: Louisville, Kentucky

Undergraduate enrollment: 17,086

U.S. News ranking: No. 158

In-state tuition and fees: $13,136

The University of Kentucky is ranked No. 143 and the University of Louisville is ranked No. 158 tied among National Universities. [1, 2]
Both public institutions made notable improvements on the list, leading the state for public research universities. [1, 2, 3]

Breakthrough Metrics
  • University of Kentucky (UK): Holds the state's highest national spot at No. 143 overall and ranks No. 74 among Top Public Schools.
  • University of Louisville (UofL): Achieved its highest ranking ever after jumping 21 spots to No. 158 overall, while climbing to No. 84 among Top Public Schools. [1, 2, 3]
Glad that we are on top, but I would not advise anyone going over to the bird boards and bragging about the difference.....
 

JPFisher

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First Half GIF
 

NociHTTP

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There is no such thing as free. Do you mean people other than those actually going to college should have to pay for it?
No one is disputing whether is such a thing as "free". That wasn't the point. The point is that there are civilized, very well-run countries that offer free (or very low cost) higher education to those who want to go down that path. Are you one of those who think that no one should have an issue paying off their expensive educations in this country?
 

Glenn's Take

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Can we all agree at least that you don't need to worry about getting drafted into the Vietnam War anymore? That's when the "everyone needs to go to college" crap started. College isn't for everybody and for some people, not necessary. If you handy growing up and are good at that stuff. Good for you. Go be an electrician. Go be a plumber. They make more that most office jobs that people have a degree and they don't have debt.
 
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Beatle Bum

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There is no such thing as free. Do you mean people other than those actually going to college should have to pay for it?
Right. People who take on a trade or otherwise bypass college should pay for those who want an overpriced education, often gaining useless majors. Instead of making college some four year getaway from reality, we should make it useful.
 
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No one is disputing whether is such a thing as "free". That wasn't the point. The point is that there are civilized, very well-run countries that offer free (or very low cost) higher education to those who want to go down that path. Are you one of those who think that no one should have an issue paying off their expensive educations in this country?
You did say it should be free which would imply you believe such a thing is real. No one forces them to take out loans for this ridiculously expensive education. The student loan program has allowed for the rise of extortionate tuition rates since it's creation. I'd be happy to dig in further on this topic but given that political discussion is forbidden here I am going to just avoid saying anything more.
 

NociHTTP

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You did say it should be free which would imply you believe such a thing is real. No one forces them to take out loans for this ridiculously expensive education. The student loan program has allowed for the rise of extortionate tuition rates since it's creation. I'd be happy to dig in further on this topic but given that political discussion is forbidden here I am going to just avoid saying anything more.
You don't have to say anything more, and that you think this is a political topic I encourage you to not do so. I also don't think you understand how other countries go about providing education for free for their residents. Also, it's not about forcing people to take out expensive loans.

EDITED: this is to say that while government does have the ability to provide funding, it's on the people to demand wages that can allow for paying for college, and to not attend college when the wages don't support it. When enrollment drops due to cost, so to will the costs due to demand or the schools will disappear.
 
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You don't have to say anything more, and that you think this is a political topic I encourage you to not do so. I also don't think you understand how other countries go about providing education for free for their residents. Also, it's not about forcing people to take out expensive loans.
None of this post makes any sense. How is your desire to fleece the tax payers for others college tuition not political?

I'm not sure how you think people can effectively demand wages. Any discussion of improving wages would get very political. I do agree with the last sentence of the edit you added but that does not happen if the government is taking money from others to pay for it. Why would enrollment drop if none of it is coming out of the student's pocket?
 
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You did say it should be free which would imply you believe such a thing is real. No one forces them to take out loans for this ridiculously expensive education. The student loan program has allowed for the rise of extortionate tuition rates since it's creation. I'd be happy to dig in further on this topic but given that political discussion is forbidden here I am going to just avoid saying anything more.

Federally backed non bankrupt able loans with virtually no oversight = colleges gouging and preying on teenagers to take on ridiculous debt. Pretty easy to see.

the one thing I notice very few people talking about is in the big beautiful bill the government is capping student loans at 200k. Period. Even professional school. I think that’s very interesting and actually think it’ll do more to curb rising tuition and college debt more than any other single measure that’s been passed this century.
 

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I’m no Louisville fan, but any list that doesn’t have UNCHeat dead last isn’t legit.


On the evening of December Rosa Parks decided that she was going to sit in the white people section on the bus in Montgomery, Alabama. During this time blacks had to give up there seats to whites when more whites got on the bus. Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat. Her and the bus driver began to talk and the conversation went like this. “Let me have those front seats” said the driver. She didn’t get up and told the driver that she was tired of giving her seat to white people. “I’m going to have you arrested,” said the driver. “You may do that,” Rosa Parks responded. Two white policemen came in and Rosa Parks asked them “why do you all push us around?” The police officer replied and said “I don’t know, but the law is the law and you’re under arrest.”
 

Supafuzz75

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You don't have to say anything more, and that you think this is a political topic I encourage you to not do so. I also don't think you understand how other countries go about providing education for free for their residents. Also, it's not about forcing people to take out expensive loans.

EDITED: this is to say that while government does have the ability to provide funding, it's on the people to demand wages that can allow for paying for college, and to not attend college when the wages don't support it. When enrollment drops due to cost, so to will the costs due to demand or the schools will disappear.
I went to college and vocational school for free..
 
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NociHTTP

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None of this post makes any sense. How is your desire to fleece the tax payers for others college tuition not political?

I'm not sure how you think people can effectively demand wages. Any discussion of improving wages would get very political. I do agree with the last sentence of the edit you added but that does not happen if the government is taking money from others to pay for it. Why would enrollment drop if none of it is coming out of the student's pocket?
Paul, you're rage-baiting, no need for it. To you it doesn't make sense, and I'm capable of seeing others' perspectives. There are ways to discuss and resolve issues without politics. You think enrollments are not already dropping at institutions? People are wisening up. Again, I'm only interested in system-building for the greater good, I'm sure we can put our heads togeher ;)
 

Beatle Bum

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None of this post makes any sense. How is your desire to fleece the tax payers for others college tuition not political?

I'm not sure how you think people can effectively demand wages. Any discussion of improving wages would get very political. I do agree with the last sentence of the edit you added but that does not happen if the government is taking money from others to pay for it. Why would enrollment drop if none of it is coming out of the student's pocket?

I too would like to know how we get to “free” higher ed without political involvement. LOL
 
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Paul, you're rage-baiting, no need for it. To you it doesn't make sense, and I'm capable of seeing others' perspectives. There are ways to discuss and resolve issues without politics. You think enrollments are not already dropping at institutions? People are wisening up. Again, I'm only interested in system-building for the greater good, I'm sure we can put our heads togeher ;)
Accusing me of rage baiting about this is beyond goofy. This problem is inextricably tied to government involvement and therefore obviously political. This was used as a major campaign issue to garner votes in the 2020 presidential election. Enrollments have seen a slight drop because some students have rightly recognized the value of the education is not worth taking on the debt for them. If the students did not have to pay for college themselves and will ultimately be on the hook for paying for those who do go anyway what makes you think enrollment would drop?
 
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There's almost NO reason to have major student loan debt unless your degree demands it. AKA. Law, MD, etc. Anybody can go to junior college or technical college for 2 years and then transfer credits. The "college experience " is an excuse to rack up crazy debt.

I know it's $250,00 but Notre Dame is little Johnny's dream school to get a social worker degree...
 

Beatle Bum

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Let’s also ask why a degree needs to be 4 years. The requirement that a business major needs to take a history or sociology or any class that is not business related is ridiculous. It’s an elitist perspective that claims to know what is best for the student but just forces people to take and pay for classes they don’t want.
 

NociHTTP

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There's almost NO reason to have major student loan debt unless your degree demands it. AKA. Law, MD, etc. Anybody can go to junior college or technical college for 2 years and then transfer credits. The "college experience " is an excuse to rack up crazy debt.

I know it's $250,00 but Notre Dame is little Johnny's dream school to get a social worker degree...
The issue is that NO degree should be "demanding major student loan debt". Other countries do this by having those with the academic chops do the "major degrees" (to borrow our syntax), while the rest would be doing "skills certs" :D Capitalism, meh.
 

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The issue is that NO degree should be "demanding major student loan debt". Other countries do this by having those with the academic chops do the "major degrees" (to borrow our syntax), while the rest would be doing "skills certs" :D Capitalism, meh.
You are correct but try that in this country and the test scores would be way out of proportion to the general population. this would never pass muster in the USA. we deliberately don’t use only test scores to distribute the slots for certain schools, etc. The only meritocracy in our educational system is the athletic and maybe music departments
 

GoAndRunIsGoneAndDone

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The issue is that NO degree should be "demanding major student loan debt". Other countries do this by having those with the academic chops do the "major degrees" (to borrow our syntax), while the rest would be doing "skills certs" :D Capitalism, meh.
Should society pay for your house too? Your cell phone? Where's the line? There is no such thing as free.