6 year extension?
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Why?
I like him but no way we should have/needed to do this. It means nothing in terms of locking him up, if someone else ever wants him, they'd easily buy it out.
I like him, he's done a nice job here, but not a great job. NIL money is certainly a big cause but not the only cause.
Use to be that you always needed at least 4 years on your contract due to recruiting high school players but that is no longer the case, no need to have any more than 3 years on a contract. Again, if someone else wants him, this contract would in no way be a hindrance.
Great for Shaheen, pretty meaningless for Seton Hall.
I like him but no way we should have/needed to do this. It means nothing in terms of locking him up, if someone else ever wants him, they'd easily buy it out.
I like him, he's done a nice job here, but not a great job. NIL money is certainly a big cause but not the only cause.
Use to be that you always needed at least 4 years on your contract due to recruiting high school players but that is no longer the case, no need to have any more than 3 years on a contract. Again, if someone else wants him, this contract would in no way be a hindrance.
Great for Shaheen, pretty meaningless for Seton Hall.
I prefer coaching stability, in all sports. For seton hall, he is the face. We don’t and likely won’t have a truly marketable player any time soon.
He initially signed a 6-year deal (this is year 5). This adds 4 extra years through 2032.
This is how the game is played. His agent had some bargaining power after winning BECOY. Question is how much is he getting paid.
This is how the game is played. His agent had some bargaining power after winning BECOY. Question is how much is he getting paid.
But this doesn't do ANYTHING for stability. If someone wants him and he wants to leave, a contract means little.
And so much for the hot seat. Having an average at best record sure pays in the joke of college athletics these days.
He got an extension after the NIT championship, (remember, Louisville was after him, LOL!) I think through 2030. This probably adds 2 years which was not necessary. Probably got a pay raise instead of putting more funds towards rev sharing.
It’s stability in the sense we aren’t getting rid of him on our own terms. You really think there’s better out there for Seton Hall?
He’s the right coach for Seton Hall but we shouldn’t bend over for him either. He was signed through 2030 with good pay.
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Is the admin smart enough to include a significant buyout clause?
You don’t get it, Sha wants to be here. What more could you ask for.
Also gives me the feeling someone step up big time as a NIL contributor. Good things are coming our way.
And two more questions are what is the buyout for him and what is the buyout for us. The length is meaningless if either party can terminate for no or minimal cost.
Wins, ncaa tournaent appearances/wins, BE conference tourney wins, a roster not filled w mid major players, better offense, should I continue?
Did SHU have to do this right now? Probably not. But why wait if you feel this is the person who you want to lead your program and you feel because of his hard work you want to show him the appreciation you strongly believe he deserves?
I have no issues with what the Pirates have done and my only concern is the language to protect the school should he leave in the future.
Holloway came here at the very worst of times. He was noted as an excellent recruiter who always was able to punch above his weight. But that was eventually nullified to a strong degree by the new rules of free agency and NIL.
Is he a great coach? No, there are not many of them and we would never be able to afford one even if we were interested. But he is a next level coach and I can see no other comparable alternative that would come to Seton Hall.
I have no issues with what the Pirates have done and my only concern is the language to protect the school should he leave in the future.
Holloway came here at the very worst of times. He was noted as an excellent recruiter who always was able to punch above his weight. But that was eventually nullified to a strong degree by the new rules of free agency and NIL.
Is he a great coach? No, there are not many of them and we would never be able to afford one even if we were interested. But he is a next level coach and I can see no other comparable alternative that would come to Seton Hall.
If nothing else we have a larger buyout to the school in that circumstance.
And Goodman looks like the idiot he is.
This has been in the works for a very long time quietly behind the scenes. Holloway had two years left on his original 6 year deal and this once again gives him 6 years in total.
The school showed love and appreciation to Holloway and he did the same by agreeing to a very large buyout should the circumstance of him leaving for another job occur.
The school showed love and appreciation to Holloway and he did the same by agreeing to a very large buyout should the circumstance of him leaving for another job occur.
It's really inconsequential in my opinion. I think leadership has accepted reality that making the NCAA tournament is no longer a realistic job requirement and the optics of firing Sha would be horrific. I cannot envision a scenario where Sha would be on the hot seat at Seton Hall.
We would be viewed as career killers with *wildly* irrational expectations.
We would be viewed as career killers with *wildly* irrational expectations.
He got extended after the NIT run to 2030. This extends it 2 years with a huge raise and hopefully huge buyout with no expectations attached at all.
At least we shouldn't hear the that Seton Hall has no money anymore.
Not hopefully. Officially. He deserved the extra years and the school deserved the huge buyout.
The important part of the extension is what, if anything, was Sha able to get for his Rev Share/NIL funding. If all it did was get him more in salary and years and raises for his staff then it means little in the big picture. He should have been fighting to secure University support to have a top-half BE budget. That's the only thing that will bring Seton Hall basketball back to respectability and NCAATs/BE championships.
Hopefully The Trove can ask that direct question to Bryan Felt in their upcoming interview.
Hopefully The Trove can ask that direct question to Bryan Felt in their upcoming interview.
So if the administration said to Sha he’s getting another 2 years and 8 million dollars you would expect him to say no because they didnt promise more investments?
So much of what Holloways does is behind the scenes. He's not the warmest guy nor is he strong with media relationships. But his work ethic and details as regards the program are second to none.
Other than his family there is nothing else in his life that is nearly as important as Seton Hall basketball. He bleeds Pirate Blue and that's not just a catch phrase.
Does he have a few flaws? of course. But the good outweighs the bad and it's not close.
Everyone at the school was onboard with this extension. And as noted above so are his peers.
Seems the only naysayers are a few posters on this board and maybe our good friend Jeff Goodman.
Other than his family there is nothing else in his life that is nearly as important as Seton Hall basketball. He bleeds Pirate Blue and that's not just a catch phrase.
Does he have a few flaws? of course. But the good outweighs the bad and it's not close.
Everyone at the school was onboard with this extension. And as noted above so are his peers.
Seems the only naysayers are a few posters on this board and maybe our good friend Jeff Goodman.
Genuine question: is there a middle ground between your post and the “master recruiter, master motivator” tweet from above and does it make one a naysayer to think that? Because I think most board falls there.
Noted as an EXCELLENT recruiter?! When was that?
Good for him cashing in
I don’t see any big boys wanting him basically ever..but it helps he has a connection to our school
Also he’s not a master motivator..that is a more ridiculous comment than him being an EXCELLENT recruiter
Is there a clause about him blowing off the 1.75 media guys who actually care about our team after a rough loss where we shoot about 12% from 3?
I'm fine with the extension. All things considered I feel we are lucky to have him. Regarding his contract, I'd be more concerned about what we'd have to pay him to move on if we have three consecutive years of bottom-half BE results.
I take issue with the above statement that Holloway "came here at the very worst of times." Agreed that we got caught with our pants down getting on the NIL bandwagon, but he arrived from his NCAA run as THE poster boy of college coaches. Also Seton Hall had been more than relevant in BE and national circles having gone to the tournament the previous five of six seasons. (Six of seven if one were to count the COVID year.) He wasn't exactly taking over Coppin State.
I take issue with the above statement that Holloway "came here at the very worst of times." Agreed that we got caught with our pants down getting on the NIL bandwagon, but he arrived from his NCAA run as THE poster boy of college coaches. Also Seton Hall had been more than relevant in BE and national circles having gone to the tournament the previous five of six seasons. (Six of seven if one were to count the COVID year.) He wasn't exactly taking over Coppin State.
There is no question in my mind that in the traditional sit out transfer system, Sha would have excelled at Seton Hall. He was the talk of college hoops. The NIL and more importantly, the free transfer free agency, decimated that advantage at a a place like Seton Hall that is slow to change.
The last time we had first mover advantage was recruiting Andrew Gaze.
Cats angry again again screaming from bleachers with styrofoam cooler of state sides. Sad
He brought in Khadeen Carrington when he was an assistant. Forged a great relationship with the mom and closed the deal.
And as good as Carrington was he topped it by bringing in Myles Powell and he became one of the best players in the Big East in his time here.
Did you like Angel Delgado? This from Google....
The main recruiter responsible for bringing Angel Delgado to Seton Hall was former assistant coach Shaheen Holloway. He served as the lead recruiter for Delgado and was instrumental in landing the Pirates' top-15 national recruiting class in 2014, which also included Isaiah Whitehead and Khadeen Carrington.
How about Najai Hines? He just left SHU for a $4M contract at UConn. Think if we could have afforded him what he could have done at SHU.
Ditto Budd Clark, 2nd team All Big East and first team All Defense. all in just one year at the Hall. He left after just that one season for almost $3M for an SEC team.
There are others of course but you get my drift.
Regarding motivation....since he has been our head coach most every one of his peers have said publicly no team in the conference plays harder than the Pirate, which culminated in an unanimous COY selection. Those comments were a common refrain from every coach in the post games that I attended. Your team doesn't play that hard without being motivated.
I have attended several practices where Holloway was both an assistant to Kevin Willard and now the head coach. I have never seen a more intense coach or motivator in all my years.
The point is we do not all have to agree re the topic of Shaheen Holloway. He has his warts like most everyone in the business. And those warts at times seem to be a reason many don't feel he deserves his extension. I disagree but understand those that think that way.
Also, many pooh pooh SHU's financial issues as regards supporting the program via NIL. That is the part I really do not understand. Being near the bottom of the league in NIL spending every year since Holloway has been here is certainly not his fault. There's blame of course but it lies elsewhere.
Holloway is not a media darling and that is a problem that lies directly in his lap. But I cannot think of a coach,, warts and all that I would rather have leading this team for many years to come.
Also, many pooh pooh SHU's financial issues as regards supporting the program via NIL. That is the part I really do not understand. Being near the bottom of the league in NIL spending every year since Holloway has been here is certainly not his fault. There's blame of course but it lies elsewhere.
Holloway is not a media darling and that is a problem that lies directly in his lap. But I cannot think of a coach,, warts and all that I would rather have leading this team for many years to come.