Lebanon was a Christian nation until the 70s.
Oh, suddenly we don't give a **** about colonizing Islam.
You're all huge phaggots and your heads will soon be on pikes.
Now that the World Cup is over for the US we can get back to WAR 🚨
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Oh, suddenly we don't give a **** about colonizing Islam.
You're all huge phaggots and your heads will soon be on pikes.
You're such a little phaggot.Yeah I‘m pretty sure the Iowa mod asked on3 staff to create the feature. I suppose other teams could do something similar
Of course Iran wants a ground war. They know we couldn't take out the Taliban in Afghanistan. And Iran is way bigger and way harder to fight in than Afghanistan.
HOLY CRAP! President Trump just MIC DROPPED a reporter at the White HouseQ: How is it taking care of the Iranian people if you're bombing?
TRUMP: Yeah, who are you with?
REPORTER: PBS.
TRUMP: "Well, that's a radical left group of lunatics if you will. Let me just tell you, let me just tell you. The Iranian people, when they DON'T hear bombs go off, they're UPSET!"
"They want to hear bombs because they want to be free."
"And the only reason they're not out protesting, you know that, is because they were informed that if they protest, like the wrestler and his friends, if they protest they will be shot immediately!"
I don't think people comprehend how important it was for Trump to say, "The ceasefire is over. That's it, war's back on. Let's go!"
I think the Iranians didn't believe he'd do that. I thought they believed he would buckle under because he couldn't afford to go back on a war footing.
Well they just learned something about Donald Trump.
well, from my perspective, the only time we stop bombing this time is when Iranian leaders come back begging for negotiation and drop any claims for nuclear weapons and control of the strait.....Trump made a huge mistake is falling for Iranian BS the first cease fire.
Been watching Tom Hanks WW2 series on History channel.
The Allies bombing of hamburg dresden ect inflicted horrific civilian casualties.
It did not deter Hitler from continuing in what he saw as an existential threat to the motherland.
I suspect we can start bombing every school and hospital in Iran but not deter these religious fanatics in charge in Iran who know doubt see this as an existential threat to their motherland.
Is America facing an existential threat from Iran?
Home field advantage seems to win out since WW2.
Nam, Afghanistan,Iraq.....are we up for that experience again?
My son has paid a price for his deployments to Afghanistan and Iraq... I'm biased.
The Allies bombing of hamburg dresden ect inflicted horrific civilian casualties.
It did not deter Hitler from continuing in what he saw as an existential threat to the motherland.
I suspect we can start bombing every school and hospital in Iran but not deter these religious fanatics in charge in Iran who know doubt see this as an existential threat to their motherland.
Is America facing an existential threat from Iran?
Home field advantage seems to win out since WW2.
Nam, Afghanistan,Iraq.....are we up for that experience again?
My son has paid a price for his deployments to Afghanistan and Iraq... I'm biased.
She was an idiot while in congress, but since leaving she has found her spine. I fail to believe no GOP currently in office also feel this way. Party over country. What is more confusing to me is the general public that are also party over country.
It was nice missing the news for a week.
I agree. Since Trump already committed to this, no pussyfooting around. No mercy. Until we get Iran’s unconditional surrender, bombs away. Seriously. F#ck Iran. (None of this should be interpreted as an endorsement of this misadventure from the beginning.)
Btw, does TigerGrowls get paid by the hour to fellate Donald Trump? Hooooo-lee sh*t.
I agree too. Or we just run away completely and let world deal with. One thing that better not happen is paying them hundreds of billions
I don’t think we can just run away. Not now.
The Strait of Hormuz horse is forever out of the barn. Iran now knows they can grip the world by the cajones because of that little waterway.
Iran capitulating is the only acceptable outcome at this point. I hate to say that, but it’s nonetheless true. The alternative is too unpalatable.
That path only works if you are truly prepared to go all the way. You would pretty much have to bomb their civilization out of existence. Of course we could do that…it is an option. It is also genocide. Are you advocating genocide of the innocent men, women and children in Iran to avoid the embarrassment and costs of walking away?
Even if you somehow justify it, think about the global repercussions of such a move. What does China do? What does the EU do? We would get geopolitically and economically isolated. Free trade agreements (such as they are with Trump) would not survive such a thing.
IMO that path is VERY expensive. This is why I advocate to just pack up our toys and go home. Yeah the rest of the world has to deal with Iran. But that is better than the rest of the world shunning us as a pariah. I view that option as far less costly than going full Monte. Plus we get to keep whatever shred of national dignity we have left.
Not necessary,.. You simply turn off their ability to live a normal modern existence,.. Electrical infrastructure, major roads, bridges, rail systems, airports, communication hubs, oil pipelines, etc., etc,, etc..
this strategy has been so successful for 30+ years in the middle east, lets just keep doing it
the most important thing is to just say this and then never think any deeper about it...
That kills people indirectly and is classified as genocide.
When you take out electricity you remove life saving care at hospitals. Babies in the NICU die. Air conditioning becomes unavailable in places where the temps go up to 120. You remove access to water treatment, water pumping stations, desalination plants.
Not to mention the thousands of innocents that dies in close proximity to that infrastructure.
We either stand for something about basic human dignity or we roll in the mud with the animals. Aren’t y’all always screaming to be a Christian nation? Is this what’s Christ would advocate?
If we inflict pain, suffering, and casualties on Iranian citizens we are playing right into the hands of Iranian leaders.
If we make the average Iranian hate America even more, they will be pushed towards their zealot overlords. They won't fight for a regime change because they will want to fight us.
Where are the mass protests we saw from the Iranian citizens who wanted a new government that we saw before we bombed a girl's school? Where are the freedom fighters that should be capitalizing on the chaos we are creating?
Either those were false flags or our involvement has changed their will and desires to fight their own government.
I don't see it unless we decided to put boots on the ground.
Are you willing to do that?
Or we bomb an entire country into the stone age. Murdering millions of citizens over oil.
Screw that. I would rather buy a Tesla.
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At this point, I am saying there are no good options and that Team Trump, true to form, are colossal f#ckups. That is first and foremost.
With that said, Trump’s dumbass emboldened Iran once they realized how precious Hormuz is. Again, this horse is forever out of the barn. Iran is not going to go back to BAU should the US go with your position of just taking the L and chucking the deuces. We are now going to have to deal with Iran ad infinitum.
And if anyone thought Iran had nuclear ambitions before, holy sh*t if the US follows what you’re proposing.
In short, ******* Trump and the MAGA Idiot Brigade. All of this because Trump envies Obama’s penis and had to divert attention from the fact he once f#cked underage girls.
Trump made huge mistakes in getting rid of the first joint agreement and in starting this war to only, hopefully, get what we already had. He once again let his pettiness and ego get in the way. This time, beyond billions of dollars, it cost lives.
That's the best description of Trump I've heard in a while.
Bombs away. Try to miss civilians as much as possible.
It goes well beyond oil.
Iran’s unconditional surrender is the only acceptable option. Otherwise, Iran will get a nuke, and the loss of civilian life will be on a far grander scale than what you’re hyperbolically describing.
The more this goes on, the more I think that if they wanted a nuke to use on someone, then I think they would have already bought/traded for one and used it.
I am in no way advocating for Iran to get the bomb, in fact I would love to see all countries dismantle theirs, but the best way to avoid being nuked is to have a nuke. The best way to stay a sovereign nation is to have a nuke.
We didn't blow up Pakistan to keep them from having the bomb and Pakistan is just as much a threat to India as Iran is to all its neighbors.
This isn't a real solution. We don't even have enough bombs to accomplish this even if we decided to move ahead with it.
I swear Bibi is laughing his *** off at Trump's unbelievable stupidity.
Trump has really f#cked things up.
All because of Obama Derangement Syndrome and the new GOP (Guardians Of Pedophiles).
Let that sink in. Seriously.
There is no real solution period.
That’s why Commander In Chief Bonespurs should have never started this sh*t to begin with.
No matter what approach we take, it’s Operation Trying to Make Chicken Salad Out Of Chicken Sh*t.
I guess I see this very differently on two fronts:
- The Iran gets a nuke front: I agree this episode has proven to them beyond a shadow of a doubt they need a nuke. But we can prevent that. I am in favor of bombing any nuclear development from here on out. We pretty much have to do that going forward. But that is isolated facilities and, judging from past experience, something we can easily identify. It also is in the interest of China, Russia et al for Iran NOT to get a nuke. To me that doesn’t seem like that hard a task to keep up. And it doesn’t require the mass slaughter of Iranian innocents to accomplish.
- Iran’s control of the strait: we have FAR less exposure than nations depending on gulf oil. Let the free market work it out or let those nations spend their money policing the strait. Yes it will cause a permanent rise in the underlying price of oil. But assuming the average tanker carries 2 million barrels the underlying actual cost increase is only $1/barrel.
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This.
Our technology can identify a guy picking his nose...they damn sure can detect any nuclear development and clean strike it out of existence.
Just make it crystal clear to Iran that we will hit them hard if they re-start their program.
Best we can do after Trump's disasterous decision.
I’m sure they are doing this. But Iran is riddled with hardened cave systems. The IRGC is organized like terrorist cells with some level of operational autonomy distributed across the troops.
Imagine taking on the Taliban once again, except this time they are armed to the teeth.
Well, yeah, that’s why I said it goes well beyond oil.
In my view, when Mango Mussolini committed to this war, there was no turning back. In principle, I agree with every point you made, which is why 1) I voted for Kamala and 2) opposed this war from the beginning.
None of that matters now. The question is, how do we best try to make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t? No matter how you slice it, we are going to be spending billions on Iran for the foreseeable future. The Tangerine Tyrant made sure of that.
So, and I am guessing you agree with me on this, the issue now is what course of action will, or is most likely to, produce the best possible outcome for the United States. Fair?
For argument’s sake, suppose Team Trump decides tomorrow to cut its losses and end all missile strikes, etc., against Iran. Now what? Again, I was against Trump and this bullsh*t from the beginning. But the hornet’s nest has been stirred up. How does cutting our losses now produce the most favorable outcome? Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan.
You know that you are advocating for hundreds of thousands of US troops on the ground and all that entails?
Weapons of mass destruction fears took us down that path vs Sadamn Hussein.
You want to repeat that,really?
Not buying.
1. I am not so sure China would care if Iran got the bomb. In fact, looking at from a purely economic view, it might benefit them as it would most likely prevent "excursions" like this in the future allowing Iranian oil to flow more freely. Yes, if China is to be believed, they just cut a ton of fossil fuels out of their own energy equation but oil still is needed to make plastics and if oil costs 30% more for Australians, that is 30% less Chinese crap they can buy.
2. We might be net exporters for energy, but that is just because for some reason (money and short-sightedness) American refineries can't refine American oil. We are still beholden to foreign oil in every way but the boardroom.