WHY DEPORTING ILLEGALS IS MAKING AMERICA MORE AFFORDABLE FOR AMERICANS

[PalmettoTiger1]

It does not take a lot of brainpower to figure this out.

The huge surge from 2020 to 2024 under Biden resulted in huge rise in home selling prices, home rental prices, car prices, food prices, dry goods prices and a whole litany of goods.

So let’s just consider that bringing a bunch of people in illegally and providing them huge amounts of financial welfare and social support through NGOs caused a huge inflation problem.

Simple solution on inflation. DEPORT THEM ALL AND PRICES WILL DROP AS SUPPLY OF GOODS AND SERVICES GETS INTO EXCESS

Once we remove the criminal parasites from America encourage the legal migration of healthy educated people who will bring value to our society instead of being bottom feeders for the people who feed off the poverty level folks.

And get on the fraud situation by better. Accounting and accountability.

Thats a guaranteed solution.

Do my plan and we have a 2028 budget surplus.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Oversimplifying a pretty complex economic issue, dontcha think? Population growth can absolutely increase demand for housing, and immigration is part of that but to say deporting every undocumented immigrant is a "guaranteed solution" to inflation ignores a whole lot of other factors...like interest rates, housing supply, labor markets, energy costs, etc. Economics usually isn't that simple.

 

[baltimorened]

It does not take a lot of brainpower to figure this out.

The huge surge from 2020 to 2024 under Biden resulted in huge rise in home selling prices, home rental prices, car prices, food prices, dry goods prices and a whole litany of goods.

So let’s just consider that bringing a bunch of people in illegally and providing them huge amounts of financial welfare and social support through NGOs caused a huge inflation problem.

Simple solution on inflation. DEPORT THEM ALL AND PRICES WILL DROP AS SUPPLY OF GOODS AND SERVICES GETS INTO EXCESS

Once we remove the criminal parasites from America encourage the legal migration of healthy educated people who will bring value to our society instead of being bottom feeders for the people who feed off the poverty level folks.

And get on the fraud situation by better. Accounting and accountability.

Thats a guaranteed solution.

Do my plan and we have a 2028 budget surplus.

budget surplus might be "a bridge too far"

 

[fatpiggy]

Oversimplifying a pretty complex economic issue, dontcha think? Population growth can absolutely increase demand for housing, and immigration is part of that but to say deporting every undocumented immigrant is a "guaranteed solution" to inflation ignores a whole lot of other factors...like interest rates, housing supply, labor markets, energy costs, etc. Economics usually isn't that simple.

It actually is very sinple, like Econ 101

More people, less housing = higher prices.


Democrats want to obfuscate, but it is just simple economics.

 

[baltimorened]

It actually is very sinple, like Econ 101

More people, less housing = higher prices.


Democrats want to obfuscate, but it is just simple economics.

the economics worked the same for the ACA...more patients, lowered reimbursement rates, same number of providers and service is going to improve, clients will save money and the system will pay for itself...

How many of the econ 101 rules does this theory break?

 

[DFSNOLE_rivals]

Research on the economic impact reveals several key dynamics:

• Labor Force & GDP: Unauthorized immigrants comprise roughly 5.6% of the U.S. workforce. By filling critical labor gaps, they prevent supply-chain bottlenecks and support overall growth. Detailed analysis from the Economic Policy Institute highlights that their impact on native-born wages is generally neutral. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• Tax Contributions: Despite their undocumented status, these households generate significant public revenue. The American Immigration Council reports that undocumented immigrants pay tens of billions in federal, state, and local taxes annually, including into programs they cannot access, like Social Security. [1, 2]

 

[TimmyD97]

Yes, because things are so affordable all of the sudden. JFC the bullsh#t you rubes fall for is stunning

 

[Huey Grey 2]

Under Trump the US economy has only averaged 17k jobs a month. Dude has only added 244k jobs total his entire second term.

OP can pretend Trump policies are good for the economy. They're not.

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

It does not take a lot of brainpower to figure this out.

lol

 

[Huey Grey 2]

Trump tariffs? No.

Trump war in Iran? No.

It was the immigrants.

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

Working great so far

 

[jimneffer]

so, global inflation was caused by american immigration issues?

sure

 

[Rifler]

Oversimplifying a pretty complex economic issue, dontcha think? Population growth can absolutely increase demand for housing, and immigration is part of that but to say deporting every undocumented immigrant is a "guaranteed solution" to inflation ignores a whole lot of other factors...like interest rates, housing supply, labor markets, energy costs, etc. Economics usually isn't that simple.

Pretty much is that simple,... More consumers vying for a fixed quantity of resources increases prices,.. The factors you listed aren't inputs to the problem, they are the result.

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

Strange that the 14 million illegal immigrants in the US prior to 2020 had no impact on inflation. Yet growing that number to 16 million triggered inflation. Also strange that going from 12 million illegals in 2017 up to 14 million by 2020 also had no impact on inflation.

MAGA logic.

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

The inflation spike from 2020–2022 was caused by a combination of surging demand, constrained supply, government stimulus, and energy shocks. Most economists view it as a "perfect storm" rather than a single cause.​

Relative Importance​

Economists still debate the exact weighting, but the general consensus is:

Factor	Contribution
Supply chain disruptions	Very High (especially 2021)
Fiscal stimulus / strong demand	Very High
Fed's low-rate policy	Moderate to High
Labor shortages and wage growth	Moderate
Russia-Ukraine energy shock	High (especially 2022)

One Federal Reserve study estimated that supply-chain pressures accounted for roughly 60% of the inflation surge in 2021–2022, while demand stimulus and labor market tightness also played major roles. [frbsf.org]

Bottom Line​

The 2020–2022 inflation spike happened because demand recovered faster than supply after COVID, amplified by trillions in stimulus, ultra-low interest rates, global supply-chain disruptions, and later the Ukraine-related energy shock. These forces pushed U.S. CPI inflation from around 1–2% before the pandemic to a peak of about 9.1% in June 2022, the highest rate in roughly 40 years.

 

[AFM22]

Didn't you make this same argument in the housing thread and pretty much got the same response as you're getting now?

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Didn't you make this same argument in the housing thread and pretty much got the same response as you're getting now?

Of course liberals are going to disparage this thread as studies are showing this to be true

I don’t worry a bit about folks like yourself downplaying reality

Keep talking as this is America land of the free and free speech is great even if uneducated free speech

 

[AFM22]

Of course liberals are going to disparage this thread as studies are showing this to be true

I don’t worry a bit about folks like yourself downplaying reality

Keep talking as this is America land of the free and free speech is great even if uneducated free speech

Please share the studies.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

Please share the studies.

I suggest Googling my claim as I don’t need to waste my time explaining any more to you based on your rock solid stand

Spend your time and don’t waste mine

 

[AFM22]

I suggest Googling my claim as I don’t need to waste my time explaining any more to you based on your rock solid stand

Spend your time and don’t waste mine

>Makes claim in original post calling it "my plan."
>Makes claim that studies back up what he's saying.
>Refuses to share studies.

Do you see why people don't take this thread seriously?

 

[alaskanseminole]

It actually is very sinple, like Econ 101

More people, less housing = higher prices.


Democrats want to obfuscate, but it is just simple economics.

Um, that's Housing 101, not Economics 101. I already acknowledged that more people increase housing demand.

What I said was deporting every undocumented immigrant isn't a guaranteed solution to inflation/affordability. Housing is ONE component. Interest rates, policy, energy prices, insurance, labor markets, supply chains, tariffs, etc. etc. etc. play a yuge part too.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Pretty much is that simple,... More consumers vying for a fixed quantity of resources increases prices,.. The factors you listed aren't inputs to the problem, they are the result.

We don't disagree that population growth affects demand. We disagree that it's the explanation for inflation or that removing one group is a "guaranteed solution." Economics is a lot more complex than a single supply-and-demand graph. There are other factors.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

We don't disagree that population growth affects demand. We disagree that it's the explanation for inflation or that removing one group is a "guaranteed solution." Economics is a lot more complex than a single supply-and-demand graph. There are other factors.

The guarantee solution to inflation is increased supply side economics by increasing productivity

Or simply saying make more of what people want at a higher rate at a lower price

 

[jimneffer]

The guarantee solution to inflation is increased supply side economics by increasing productivity

Or simply saying make more of what people want at a higher rate at a lower price

so if, let's say, there has been system-wide reduction in the number of new housing units constructed (ie "supply"), that would have a big impact on raising the cost of housing, right?

 

[alaskanseminole]

The guarantee solution to inflation is increased supply side economics by increasing productivity

Or simply saying make more of what people want at a higher rate at a lower price

Dude, that's a different argument than the one you started with. First it was "deport them all" was the guaranteed solution. Now it's increasing productivity and supply?

I actually agree increasing productivity/expanding supply can help reduce inflation. My point, though (to your OP) was simply there isn't one magic bullet.

 

[Moogy]

The guarantee solution to inflation is increased supply side economics by increasing productivity

Or simply saying make more of what people want at a higher rate at a lower price

First things first: "Increased supply side economics" isn't a thing ... supply side economics is a theory that considers, among other things, that expanding supply drives growth. You don't increase a theory. You can, however, increase supply.

Second, mass deportations decreases the amount of affordable labor that makes increasing supply feasible.

Third, your thread starting post posited that the solution to our inflation woes was to decrease demand. Now you're saying, through broken English, that the solution is to increase supply. Figure your stuff out before stream of (un)consciousness posting it.

Fourth, these are just pre-Econ 101 platitudes. It's basically "we should fix stuff by fixing stuff ... I win!" What are the ACTUAL solutions? HOW is immigration going to get fixed? HOW are we increasing production with less labor available? And, yes, you need to provide sources. You're just laying around, doing nothing ... you have all the time in the world to gather up the sources you allegedly already consulted to construct your grand vision ... it takes a couple seconds to post the links.

Fifth, this is what happens when a guy who just figured out that you can buy things on the internet tries to solve ramped-up inflation. It's not pretty.

 

[Huey Grey 2]

Immigrants take up housing.

Also, immigrants build housing.

Not sure why Rs ignore the second part?

 

[TigerGrowls]

Under Trump the US economy has only averaged 17k jobs a month. Dude has only added 244k jobs total his entire second term.

OP can pretend Trump policies are good for the economy. They're not.

FAKE NEWS!!!

 

[TigerGrowls]

People don't realize what actually happens when the illegal population is gone.

Suddenly Americans start getting real raises again.
Hospitals stop drowning in overcrowded ERs.

Schools breathe — class sizes finally return to something sane.

Insurance bills drop instead of climbing every year.

Young families can actually buy homes.

Grocery prices level out because the welfare load isn't crushing the system anymore.

DMV lines move.

Traffic lightens.

Neighborhoods calm down.

Crime stats shift in the right direction for the first time in decades.

Organ transplant lists move faster.

Teenagers get the jobs they used to get before cheap illegal labor replaced them.

Trade programs fill with American kids who can actually earn a living again.

And people start having families because the cost of living isn't strangling them.

You remove the illegal burden, and the country snaps back into shape almost overnight.

Get them the f out!

 

[WDSMHawk]

People don't realize what actually happens when the illegal population is gone.

Suddenly Americans start getting real raises again.
Hospitals stop drowning in overcrowded ERs.

Schools breathe — class sizes finally return to something sane.

Insurance bills drop instead of climbing every year.

Young families can actually buy homes.

Grocery prices level out because the welfare load isn't crushing the system anymore.

DMV lines move.

Traffic lightens.

Neighborhoods calm down.

Crime stats shift in the right direction for the first time in decades.

Organ transplant lists move faster.

Teenagers get the jobs they used to get before cheap illegal labor replaced them.

Trade programs fill with American kids who can actually earn a living again.

And people start having families because the cost of living isn't strangling them.

You remove the illegal burden, and the country snaps back into shape almost overnight.

Get them the f out!

Two years of a "locked down" border and mass deportations and we've yet to see any of these benefits.

 

[DFSNOLE_rivals]

Two years of a "locked down" border and mass deportations and we've yet to see any of these benefits.

Logic is generally beyond the MAGA mind.

 

[Scrubby]

Logic is generally beyond the MAGA mind.

Says the party who doesn't know what a woman is

 

[baltimorened]

Two years of a "locked down" border and mass deportations and we've yet to see any of these benefits.

well,according to the Dallas fed report, which I am only reporting, not saying how accurate it is, the additional migrants need for housing has increased housing costs. There was a major debate in another thread about what numbers the fed actually reported or what they meant, but the topic of costs wasn't debated. I think it was generally accepted that increased demand, same supply, had the effect of increases the cost.

 

[Flie_rivals154594]

Says the party who doesn't know what a woman is

MAGAs are always asking about this. Do you guys need a diagram?

 

[Scrubby]

MAGAs are always asking about this. Do you guys need a diagram?

No, we know what the answer is lol it's just cute watching y'all get flustered and refuse to answer such obvious questions because the cult would be upset with you if you did.

 

[WDSMHawk]

well,according to the Dallas fed report, which I am only reporting, not saying how accurate it is, the additional migrants need for housing has increased housing costs. There was a major debate in another thread about what numbers the fed actually reported or what they meant, but the topic of costs wasn't debated. I think it was generally accepted that increased demand, same supply, had the effect of increases the cost.

Ahh yes this study that showed a fraction of the increase was caused by illegal migrants.



I'm sure rent and housing prices will tumble any day now that Trump has locked down the boarder

 

[magaboy]

You can figure out anything when you have profoundly limited brainpower. As long as you do your own research, there's really nothing people like like you can't figure out, @PalmettoTiger1

 

[alaskanseminole]

I've never really viewed illegal immigration through Trump's Fear Porn lens...that hordes of people are coming here to rape, steal, and destroy America. It's always been from a resource allocation lens.

That said, I 100% want a secure border and orderly legal immigration system. But I also recognize that many undocumented immigrants are working, paying taxes and filling jobs.

If the right's goal is to "Get them the f out!" (post #29), is it still fair to ask: Who fills those jobs? Are enough Americans willing to pick produce in 100-degree heat, frame houses, process meat, wash dishes, or clean hotel rooms? Maybe the answer is yes, maybe it's no, but I think it's a legitimate question. Sadly, people don't seem to want to have an honest debate....just the same old bs, "LeFt wAnts OPeN BorDErs!" or "IMmiGraNts aRe aLL mURDering GaNg BANgErs!"

 

[jimneffer]

I've never really viewed illegal immigration through Trump's Fear Porn lens...that hordes of people are coming here to rape, steal, and destroy America. It's always been from a resource allocation lens.

That said, I 100% want a secure border and orderly legal immigration system. But I also recognize that many undocumented immigrants are working, paying taxes and filling jobs.

If the right's goal is to "Get them the f out!" (post #29), is it still fair to ask: Who fills those jobs? Are enough Americans willing to pick produce in 100-degree heat, frame houses, process meat, wash dishes, or clean hotel rooms? Maybe the answer is yes, maybe it's no, but I think it's a legitimate question. Sadly, people don't seem to want to have an honest debate....just the same old bs, "LeFt wAnts OPeN BorDErs!" or "IMmiGraNts aRe aLL mURDering GaNg BANgErs!"

it's impossible to have any kind of substantive debate because it's been framed that the bolded part above an "extremist position".

 

[alaskanseminole]

it's impossible to have any kind of substantive debate because it's been framed that the bolded part above an "extremist position".

It would appear small-percentage occurances always get the lions share of focus. Trans = < .01% of the population,ect. I'd much prefer the Fed govt giving its attention to long-term issues/challenges like the dadgum debt, infrastructure, entitlement reform, healthcare costs, education, energy, and foreign policy.

This thread is a perfect example. Like I said above, I 100% support a secure border and enforcing the law. But the conversation literally disentigrates into "they're all criminals" vs "open the borders," when the reality is so much more complicated. Most undocumented immigrants aren't violent offenders...they're working, raising families, and filling jobs. Why on earth can't that be acknowledged while still supporting border security???

Personally, I'd rather see Congress spend more time solving real problems than chasing whatever issue generates the most outrage on cable news or social media.