Want to put some wrestling club money on the BS you just threw out there? How about O/U 38?
Iowa vs PSU 2027 Predictions
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For the sake of transparency, how many of those were even top 20 guys, let alone top 10? The ONLY one I see is Tyler Knox…
He sarcastically said that he is an "offensive dynamo". I was just pointing out that he had a 72% bonus rate, which shows that he does have offense. If you feel good about moving the goalposts, have at it.
Note: All but the very top all-time guys bonus rates go down while comparing it to opponents inside the top 20/10 vs. outside the top 20/10. He was a true freshman. Do you want to compare his bonus rate to the Iowa starters, since it's apparently easy to bonus everyone outside of the Top 20?
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Don't you understand you aren't a decent offensive wrestler unless you could do something like this in the NCAA final?
Agreed, Dean Peterson had no pulse...my bad, I was referring to your dynamo comment for Lilledahl.
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125 lightning Dec Deluca 3-0
-don’t think you can pick Deluca with no big college wins yet.
133 blaze Dec crookham 6-0
-blaze is a stud along with the fact crookham is always hurt.
141 ono dec bailey 9-0
-im biased big bailey hater he never has impressed me. Ono should control action on feet where he doesn’t have to choose down.
149 SVN maj block 13-0
-wouldn’t even be surprised if it was a tech.
157 kasak maj whoever 17-0
-Williams, VV3 and Estrada can’t compete.
165 Duke Dec Schubert 20-0
-Duke is different animal. Schubert struggles to score.
174 mm maj Arnold 24-0
-chance it’s a tech, mm has teched much better wrestlers. Stick with maj due to Arnold’s stall.
184 welsh dec Ferrari 27-0
-tossup ill stick with guy who wants to be there and tries to score. Ferrari may be first wrestler to never get taken down and not have any titles.
197 barr tech Harvey 32-0
-Harvey isn’t top level yet. Barr 100% (or close to) bonus.
285 Ben Dec mirasola 32-3
some tossups but I can’t pick a injured crookham or Ferrari
-don’t think you can pick Deluca with no big college wins yet.
133 blaze Dec crookham 6-0
-blaze is a stud along with the fact crookham is always hurt.
141 ono dec bailey 9-0
-im biased big bailey hater he never has impressed me. Ono should control action on feet where he doesn’t have to choose down.
149 SVN maj block 13-0
-wouldn’t even be surprised if it was a tech.
157 kasak maj whoever 17-0
-Williams, VV3 and Estrada can’t compete.
165 Duke Dec Schubert 20-0
-Duke is different animal. Schubert struggles to score.
174 mm maj Arnold 24-0
-chance it’s a tech, mm has teched much better wrestlers. Stick with maj due to Arnold’s stall.
184 welsh dec Ferrari 27-0
-tossup ill stick with guy who wants to be there and tries to score. Ferrari may be first wrestler to never get taken down and not have any titles.
197 barr tech Harvey 32-0
-Harvey isn’t top level yet. Barr 100% (or close to) bonus.
285 Ben Dec mirasola 32-3
some tossups but I can’t pick a injured crookham or Ferrari
My friend, I would love to predict but it’s still too soon. But I do believe PSU will want to make a statement when wrestling Iowa and will bring its best. I’m just hoping we can improve on our showing from the past few years!
Very likely! Just curious at 149, Block almost best SVN twice last year. At NCAA he loss 5-4 after giving up 4 stalling points, and Block scored the only TD of the match. In the PSU-Iowa dual, block was up and working on his second takedown when he get too offensive and got put to his back for 7. Both matches were very well wrestled, just rookie mistakes. Just curious the comment “wouldn’t be surprised if a tech” is that based on evidence or just…?
I checked and it seems like Gabe is the returning Hawk with the highest bonus rate at 25%, which seems bananas.
That stat cannot possibly be right. Iowa lost some really good guys this past year but this returning bonus rate % would be shockingly low if true.
It is not quite right. Block was at 31%, Arnold 25%, Ferrari 21%, Bailey 20%, and Keuter 0%
He didn't almost beat SVN, if you forfeit via stalling you didn't even wrestle.
Wouldn’t it be completely relevant when the poster predicted a major decision win over a guy that not only IS top 20, but is almost certainly top 5????? In fact, Crookham has been majored only once in his career by Vito and he actually beat Vito multiple times…
If Crookham is healthy, definitely title contender and wins in happy valley.
He scored the only takedown in the match…
Oh, I would not predict a Blaze major over Crookham. I was just responding to him alluding to Blaze being a wrestler with little to no offense. If Crookham is healthy, I'd expect a 1-2 point match.
Hunch, the stalling left ugly taste block did not want to be there. And probably should have been DQd
Think the dual is better representive of gap between 2.
believe it should be in happy valley so factor in a few stalls calls again.
I agree Blaze isn't likely to bonus Crookham because he has top tier defense.
Zain had a 40% bonus rate as a true freshman. Blaze certainly has the capability to bonus top 20 wrestlers but we'll see if he starts to wrestle more offensively against top competition like Zain after his freshman season.
Yep, that sounds right, and sadly that sounds like the Iowa style as of late…handfight for 6:30-7 mins and then win or lose a tight one in the 3rd or OT. I sure miss those guys that went out to destroy their opponents…
Unless there are double forfeits, every match will have a winner.
Van ness gave up the first take down in almost every match he wrestled last year it seemed. If bloch can put up points before the third he has a shot but if not van ness will being it in the third.
It is the biggest reason for the gap that PSU currently has. It has been happening for years.
125: Lilledahl = 54%, Peterson = 13%
133: Blaze = 71%, Ayala = 39%
141: Davis = 43%, Bailey 20%
149: Van Ness = 74%, Block 31%
157: Duke = 70%, Williams 20%/Voinovich 22%
165: Mesenbrink = 96%, Caliendo = 63%
174: Haines = 78%, Kennedy = 39%
184: Welsh = 54%, Ferrari = 21%
197: Barr = 96%, Arnold = 25%
285: Mirasola = 39%, Kueter = 0%
Bonus percentage helps, but schedules and recruits matter more. Penn State bonus rate would go down if they wrestled Ohio state twice, Oklahoma state twice, and Iowa State last year.. Penn State would have had a better record than us, and a better bonus rate, so the trolls can calm down. Penn State had a much more talented team, which is why they're bonus rates were better.
It certainly helps to have talent, no doubt about it. However, if you want to say it has nothing to do with coaching style, I think you are putting on blinders. Kennedy, Ferrari and Keuter (to name a few) were pretty highly ranked recruits. They are great wrestlers, but, they all wrestle a completely different style than most of the PSU wrestlers do. Beau Bartlett was as big of an outlier for the recent PSU wrestlers as Caliendo is for recent Iowa wrestlers.
Several? If I go back year to year comparing bonus percentage, I'm guessing most years look very similar to last year. Penn State wrestles one style, and Iowa wrestles a different style. Truth hurts.
It IS talent first and foremost. Anyone arguing against that has their head in the sand. Yes coaching is a factor, but whatever PSU is doing for conditioning the last few years may actually be the biggest factor. How often do you see a PSU wrestler more tired in the 3rd than an opponent?
Metcalf used to be an anomaly. Now, over half the PSU lineup can go that hard all match. THAT along with talent is HUGE, especially at NCAA’s…where Iowa actually did REALLY well scoring bonus this past season…
I agree with you on the conditioning factor. I'm not arguing that there is a talent gap, but, there is also a different style being coached. If you can't see that, YOU have your head in the sand. Honestly, I'm not a "Brands sucks" guy. I actually really like them, and generally agree that I don't know if there is anyone better currently out there, who is available and wants to coach. I will say that recruiting well and having your guys well conditioned is absolutely part of being a great coach. Unfortunately, money is also a factor in this new college sports world. (It's always been a factor, it's just a bigger factor now)
I was wrong! But it’s still a bonkers stat. Literally incredible until you see the numbers.