How Democrats Feel About the Democratic Party

Yellowsnow51

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What are those?
Idiotic sayings from the same people who told us first, if you DON’T drive a Tesla you hate the earth, then if you DO drive a Tesla you hate America, and if you eat a chicken sandwich from Chick Fil A, or shop at Target, you hate gays. That crop of idiots. Leftists. The “Jim Crow 2.0” morons.
 
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Tom Paris

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I don't disagree with what you posted. We have guardrails, maybe they need to be higher, but we have some in place. I can't see where this administration governs on fear...I'm not afraid, are you? I don't see that Trump policies help "only the billionaire class". What about no tax on tips, overtime or the reduction in taxes on social security, prescription costs reductions, trump accounts (dumb name) these all benefit the middle and lower classes. Most are not impacted by return to pre covid ACA subsidies. I don't have any facts to back this up, but i's submit for debate that the rich are getting richer not necessarily because of the BBB but because of economic activities....just one example, Musk became a trillionaire (and then back to simply a multi, multi billionaire) because of an IPO. With Warren buffet, he gets richer because all his companies are growing...etc etc...The economics of life reward those with money with more money - look on you tube about the benefits of achieving a $100,000 portfolio....

Could we do more with guardrails, sure we can....but i's submit that universal childcare isn't necessarily a guardrail, but a government social program...food stamps or welfare...these are guardrails..
You have got to be joking. You don’t think there are people legally in the US that aren’t in fear? You think brown people aren’t feeling fear of this government when we have troops in the streets? Masked thugs harassing them? You don’t think lifetime government employees aren’t afraid after so many of them aren’t showing enough loyalty to the dictator??

Damn you’re entitled. You aren’t affected so everything is fine. Such selfish and simple thinking.
 

Tom Paris

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Make sense because while they like socialism they realize they share the country with other people(most) that wont accept it. So all the sides meet in the middle. Nobody is totally happy but its enough to avoid a war and keep the country together. The far left and right both suck azz and will be rejected by most people...
Everyone accepts their socialism in America. We already have it here. Hell, billionaires gladly accept it.
 

What Would Jesus Do?

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he says a lot..but here's my question about capitalism with a soul...because he seems to imply that our form has no soul...and I'd disagree with that position....we spend a lot of money on social welfare programs...welfare, Medicaid, food stamps etc. that doesn't demonstrate a "soulless" society. We have always been a society built on opportunity for all. Some seize it and some don't.


And of course he brings up billionaires....which ones are stealing from us? Gates who created Microsoft, Bezos who started amazon, Musk with Tesla, starlink and now spacex, Buffet with his empire? I'd be happy to jump on the "bad" billionaires bandwagon, but from what I've seen these folks put up capital took risks and won. If I don't want to buy my insurance tthough geico, I don't: If I don't want next day delivery, don't but through Amazon: don't want to pay a higher price for an apple computer, don't buy......I don't consider that stealing from me.

Red hats beware of socialism? I think he's looking though a prism on this one. both those on the left and the right should be concerned. These folks are being welcomed by democrats, not by republicans. We'll see how independents feel come November
Worth watching. Especially the bit toward the end where he talks about U-shaped Populism. I don't appreciate the implied bothsidesism, but otherwise he makes good points.
 

Yellowsnow51

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You tell us. You're the one suggesting a connection.
Oh…I thought you guys would know more about the stuff you support than me. So I’ll ask again…what does “solidarity with Palestine” and “economically isolating Israel” have to do with Democratic Socialism?


The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) website expresses unconditional solidarity with the Palestinian struggle for freedom and liberation, framing it as a central international priority. [1, 2, 3]
Key pillars of their stance include:
  • End to U.S. Military Aid: The DSA demands a permanent arms embargo on Israel and an end to U.S. complicity and funding. [1, 2]
  • Support for BDS: The organization actively promotes the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement to economically and academically isolate Israel. [1, 2]
  • Right to Resist and Return: They support the right of Palestinians to resist occupation and advocate for the right of refugees to return to their homes.[1, 2]
  • Decolonization: The DSA characterizes Israel's governance as an "apartheid" regime and supports Palestinian self-determination "from the river to the sea"
 

What Would Jesus Do?

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Even MAGA is full of Democratic Socialists. Everything they say they want from Trump we were talking about long before that: no new wars, higher wages for working class people, more protections for consumers, more affordable healthcare.
People forget that before the Tea Party coalesced into being (or was co-opted to be, depending on your slant) an arm of the GOP Right and eventually morphed into MAGA, it was a wildly bipartisan uprising against corporate control of our government.

For those here too young to know or who may have forgotten, people were responding to the near collapse of the US and world economies circa 2008. Those protesters agreed on a lot at first. Notably on the problem of "Too Big to Fail".
 

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I’ve said it from the start. MAGA and the far left/ DSA are two sides of the same coin. The crazy coin.
Nonsense. You have to offer tortured examples of crazies on the left - mostly made up or greatly exaggerated - for that to have any semblance to the truth.

It's no stretch to find awful and nutty people on the right. It is on the left.

Is wanting good health care for all crazy?

Is recognizing that climate change is a looming crisis crazy?

Is thinking American children deserve a world class public education system crazy?

Obviously I could keep listing important things the left supports and MAGAs fight against.
 

baltimorened

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You have got to be joking. You don’t think there are people legally in the US that aren’t in fear? You think brown people aren’t feeling fear of this government when we have troops in the streets? Masked thugs harassing them? You don’t think lifetime government employees aren’t afraid after so many of them aren’t showing enough loyalty to the dictator??

Damn you’re entitled. You aren’t affected so everything is fine. Such selfish and simple thinking.
whoa, you think that this is the first time that people in this country have lived in fear? Go to a Chicago, or DC street...in anacostia. You actually think that all brown people are fearful of troops on the streets? That's not what interviews of folks in DC have supported....You think this is the first time government employees have been Riffed? how about this from AI "Led by Vice President Al Gore through the "National Performance Review," the initiative downsized the executive branch civilian workforce by approximately 377,000 to 426,000 employees between 1993 and 2000" .

I swear, you anti trump guys somehow believe that pre trump everything in this country was a semi utopia with no problems.. read a little history....in the 1960s black people had dogs set on them, they were beaten openly by police and publicly denied entrance to a universities....i posted about RIFs during a Democrat administration - more than during this administration.

You live, apparently, in a dream world where every problem in the country is Trump's fault. Oh, how you do you know if I'm affected or not. And, I'm far from entitled I grew up in a lower middle class neighborhood, 3kids to a bedroom, parents had to rent out rooms to afford the mortgage. But, this is America. If you're willing to work you can succeed.
 
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Yellowsnow51

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Nonsense. You have to offer tortured examples of crazies on the left - mostly made up or greatly exaggerated - for that to have any semblance to the truth.

It's no stretch to find awful and nutty people on the right. It is on the left.

Is wanting good health care for all crazy?

Is recognizing that climate change is a looming crisis crazy?

Is thinking American children deserve a world class public education system crazy?

Obviously I could keep listing important things the left supports and MAGAs fight against.
I said “far left/ DSA”. Your strawman doesn’t work here. Let’s name the actual stances held by many of the far left/ DSA, shall we?

Abolish police, prisons, private property, the military and borders to start.

We can add the insane juxtaposition of hating all religions except for the one that is hands down the most oppressive and calls for annihilation of Israel and anyone who disagrees with them. Not to mention the defense of said religion’s inhumane treatment of women. But pointing that out is “Islamophobia” crazy enough.

I would hold that these stances are equal to or as crazy as the greatest hits by MAGA.
 
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Tom Paris

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whoa, you think that this is the first time that people in this country have lived in fear? Go to a Chicago, or DC street...in anacostia. You actually think that all brown people are fearful of troops on the streets? That's not what interviews of folks in DC have supported....You think this is the first time government employees have been Riffed? how about this from AI "Led by Vice President Al Gore through the "National Performance Review," the initiative downsized the executive branch civilian workforce by approximately 377,000 to 426,000 employees between 1993 and 2000" .

I swear, you anti trump guys somehow believe that pre trump everything in this country was a semi utopia with no problems.. read a little history....in the 1960s black people had dogs set on them, they were beaten openly by police and publicly denied entrance to a universities....i posted about RIFs during a Democrat administration - more than during this administration.

You live, apparently, in a dream world where every problem in the country is Trump's fault. Oh, how you do you know if I'm affected or not. And, I'm far from entitled I grew up in a lower middle class neighborhood, 3kids to a bedroom, parents had to rent out rooms to afford the mortgage. But, this is America. If you're willing to work you can succeed.
So you admit it. Thanks. Nice attempt at moving the goalposts though.
 

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One needs to understand politics isnt a monolith. There are many issues that multiple sides agree with. Its just right now the left makes it hard for a moderate Dem to agree with anything on the right. The cult wont allow it. Meanwhile Im free to agree with the left a many issues. We might not agree on how to fix or go about something , but we agree on the issue...
If you agree with Democratic Socialism why have you spent my entire life opposing our shared goals the instant one of us puts one of these goals forward?
 

Huey Grey 2

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Those things are common things we agree on. Why do people think if the other side likes something then you must oppose it?
That's my point. Why do Republicans throw a fit when a Democrat puts forward a Republican idea?

This exact thing happened to Obama the second he adopted Romneycare. Same exact healthcare idea. Celebrated when a Republican said it. Demonized when a Democrat said it.
 
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So you admit it. Thanks. Nice attempt at moving the goalposts though.
the goalposts are still where they were...it's the teams that keep misinterpreting the reality of the game..

There are now, and there will always be people, like yourself, who just are unhappy with their lot in life. A lot of the things you complain about today existed yesterday, weeks ago, months, years and decades ago....it's just that you weren't there to either complain about it it applaud it depending on which party was in office
 

Tom Paris

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the goalposts are still where they were...it's the teams that keep misinterpreting the reality of the game..

There are now, and there will always be people, like yourself, who just are unhappy with their lot in life. A lot of the things you complain about today existed yesterday, weeks ago, months, years and decades ago....it's just that you weren't there to either complain about it it applaud it depending on which party was in office
You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. Basically you’re full of crap. My life is great. What you righties can’t comprehend is we libs like to look out for the less fortunate or privileged. You’re good with billionaires buying off politicians and molding the nation in a way that works for them only. You just don’t want to be wrong so you won’t admit you see what I’m talking about. Instead you throw the jealousy card. It’s simpleton thinking. You’re obtuse and show no depth.
 
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whoa, you think that this is the first time that people in this country have lived in fear? Go to a Chicago, or DC street...in anacostia. You actually think that all brown people are fearful of troops on the streets? That's not what interviews of folks in DC have supported....You think this is the first time government employees have been Riffed? how about this from AI "Led by Vice President Al Gore through the "National Performance Review," the initiative downsized the executive branch civilian workforce by approximately 377,000 to 426,000 employees between 1993 and 2000" .

I swear, you anti trump guys somehow believe that pre trump everything in this country was a semi utopia with no problems.. read a little history....in the 1960s black people had dogs set on them, they were beaten openly by police and publicly denied entrance to a universities....i posted about RIFs during a Democrat administration - more than during this administration.

You live, apparently, in a dream world where every problem in the country is Trump's fault. Oh, how you do you know if I'm affected or not. And, I'm far from entitled I grew up in a lower middle class neighborhood, 3kids to a bedroom, parents had to rent out rooms to afford the mortgage. But, this is America. If you're willing to work you can succeed.
**Applause**
 

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That's my point. Why do Republicans throw a fit when a Democrat puts forward a Republican idea?

This exact thing happened to Obama the second he adopted Romneycare. Same exact healthcare idea. Celebrated when a Republican said it. Demonized when a Democrat said it.
Kind of like how Obama used ICE in the exact same manner as it’s being used now and the Dems lose their s#it. Remember? The “Deporter in Chief”?
 

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You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. Basically you’re full of crap. My life is great. What you righties can’t comprehend is we libs like to look out for the less fortunate or privileged. Your good with billionaires buying off politicians and molding the nation in a way that works for them only. You just don’t want to be wrong so you won’t admit you see what I’m talking about. Instead you throw the jealousy card. It’s simpleton thinking. You’re obtuse and show no depth.
ok
 

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That's my point. Why do Republicans throw a fit when a Democrat puts forward a Republican idea?

This exact thing happened to Obama the second he adopted Romneycare. Same exact healthcare idea. Celebrated when a Republican said it. Demonized when a Democrat said it.
Not a Conservative idea. Romney is a far-right establishment politician. We dont want mandatory, we want the option. There lies the difference. Obama lied when he said we could keep our doctors we had and most people knew this before it was passed and said as much...
 
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TigerRagRob

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If you agree with Democratic Socialism why have you spent my entire life opposing our shared goals the instant one of us puts one of these goals forward?
I oppose Socialism and for a free market. I agree with Dems on some social issues much like Trump. Thus MAGA is full of moderate libs and conservatives. The extremes on both sides hate us and the feeling is mutual...
 

TigerRagRob

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Then why did Romney install it and why did Republicans make him their nominee with this being his signature achievement?
Lack of a good option much like you had with Harris and Hillary and us with Trump. We had to bring a moderate Lib into the party because we are tired of the rinos...
 
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the goalposts are still where they were...it's the teams that keep misinterpreting the reality of the game..

There are now, and there will always be people, like yourself, who just are unhappy with their lot in life. A lot of the things you complain about today existed yesterday, weeks ago, months, years and decades ago....it's just that you weren't there to either complain about it it applaud it depending on which party was in office
You nailed it.
 

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Lack of a good option much like you had with Harris and Hillary and us with Trump. We had to bring a moderate Lib into the party because we are tired of the rinos...
First you guys create Romneycare. Then Obama adopts it. Then you call it socialism and the worst thing ever. Then you nominate Romney himself. Then you tell us for going on 20 years that repeal and replace is always two weeks away.

I can confidently say that the Republican party has no clue what it's doing here.

And if you agree, why aren't you willing to say that the GOP is making people like you look bad?
 

TigerRagRob

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Huh? There is practically no difference between a rino and a moderate lib. Other than a few tiny differences, they are the same thing.
There is a huge difference. Rino's are the same as Dino's. Libs are the real Dem's and Conservatives are the real Rep's. Maga is made up of moderates from both sides. But the Rino's and Dino's are establishment ruling class scum that run the whole show. Every wonder why things dont get done like DACA when your side had total power and Reps did have the power to stop it. Establishment doesnt want to solve issues. They need issues to divide the people making it easier to control us. When Reps had the power to get rid of Obamacare why didnt they? Same reason you didnt get DACA. Us normies are being played. They dont really care about us. The only divide that matters isnt race or borders, its class. Class warfare is being waged against anybody not establishment. Divide and conquer is the playbook....
 

TigerRagRob

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First you guys create Romneycare. Then Obama adopts it. Then you call it socialism and the worst thing ever. Then you nominate Romney himself. Then you tell us for going on 20 years that repeal and replace is always two weeks away.

I can confidently say that the Republican party has no clue what it's doing here.

And if you agree, why aren't you willing to say that the GOP is making people like you look bad?
They dont make me look bad they expose their own shyatt. I never liked Romney or Jeb Bush. My eyes got opened during the Iraq war. GW was the last establishment type that got over on me. As far as the GOP goes its in a civil war between the establishment and MAGA. Something similar is starting to happen in the DNC...