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Proof that bad policies don’t impact the rich as much as they hurt the middle and lower class people.

 

rillaman

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So how does it compute that the jab actually saved lives, if the odds of death increased?



Older, sicker people were more likely to get the vaccine/boosters. Older, sicker people are more likely to die.

5 years later and people still don’t understand the basics.

You should show that clip to your doctor and then ask them if you have an increased chance at death because of your vaccine from 5 years ago. Then report back please.
 
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stoneaxe27

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Medicaid?
Very limited, especially now. Must fit a category and limited income and no assets. Less than $3,000 per month income limit for family of 3. Health care outcomes higher where there is Universal Medical (God forbid we call it socialized medicine) Infant mortality in US is much higher than in those countries.
 

rillaman

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Very limited, especially now. Must fit a category and limited income and no assets. Less than $3,000 per month income limit for family of 3. Health care outcomes higher where there is Universal Medical (God forbid we call it socialized medicine) Infant mortality in US is much higher than in those countries.

Sure, but we don’t just let people die. If somenone is rushed to the ER with a gunshot wound, we treat them regardless of them having insurance coverage or not. We don’t just let them die, as you said.

Tough to offer socialized medicine in our country when Democrats want to offer it to the entire world. That doesn’t work financially, without taxing everyone at an insane level.
 
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Yeah. The one thing in that video that isn’t the greatest thing to do is that sitting/rowing on the escalator going up. Accident waiting to happen.

 
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“from ALL causes”
Those are the key words. ChatGPT says there is no reliable study showing 23% and it doesn't make sense. The vaccine had many issues and side effects but how can you do a population study of statistical significance after 5 years that shows that the group who got the vaccine are dying at a rate 23% higher than those that didn't. What it probably shows is older vaccinated people died at a much higher rate than younger people who refused the vaccine. Older people do die at a higher rate.

What is sad is all this noise takes away from the forced vaccinations the Dems forced on people. This is the lesson we need to learn and avoid in the future. A voluntary vaccine was OK for 65 and older; people forget the fear in 2020. But never, ever force it on people involuntarily like the Dems did. And Gavin Newsome wants to be our next president....
 

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This is an example of people coming here for the wrong reasons. I have nothing against immigrants, but Somalia was ***. That’s why you supposedly came here.

 

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Those are the key words. ChatGPT says there is no reliable study showing 23% and it doesn't make sense. The vaccine had many issues and side effects but how can you do a population study of statistical significance after 5 years that shows that the group who got the vaccine are dying at a rate 23% higher than those that didn't. What it probably shows is older vaccinated people died at a much higher rate than younger people who refused the vaccine. Older people do die at a higher rate.

What is sad is all this noise takes away from the forced vaccinations the Dems forced on people. This is the lesson we need to learn and avoid in the future. A voluntary vaccine was OK for 65 and older; people forget the fear in 2020. But never, ever force it on people involuntarily like the Dems did. And Gavin Newsome wants to be our next president....
You could be right. I avoid ChatGPT. Most AI are programmed to leftist views.
 

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So how does it compute that the jab actually saved lives, if the odds of death increased?



The audience for this take is you, Dumbcoach. If the average person taking the vaccine is 56 and the average person not taking it is 38 (and it’s undeniable that takers skewed older), then the non-vaccine takers are less likely to die because … young people are less likely to die. How about that???

RFK thinks you are an idiot because he doesn’t think you can figure this out.

Now, actual science would compare people of the same age and general health taking it and their outcomes. Oh … we have these studies … I’ve linked them … the vaccinated died at lower rates.

Weird how he relies on your stupidity to make arguments.
 
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Those are the key words. ChatGPT says there is no reliable study showing 23% and it doesn't make sense. The vaccine had many issues and side effects but how can you do a population study of statistical significance after 5 years that shows that the group who got the vaccine are dying at a rate 23% higher than those that didn't. What it probably shows is older vaccinated people died at a much higher rate than younger people who refused the vaccine. Older people do die at a higher rate.

What is sad is all this noise takes away from the forced vaccinations the Dems forced on people. This is the lesson we need to learn and avoid in the future. A voluntary vaccine was OK for 65 and older; people forget the fear in 2020. But never, ever force it on people involuntarily like the Dems did. And Gavin Newsome wants to be our next president....

Thank you for injecting rational thought into this discussion.
 

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Sure, but we don’t just let people die. If somenone is rushed to the ER with a gunshot wound, we treat them regardless of them having insurance coverage or not. We don’t just let them die, as you said.

Tough to offer socialized medicine in our country when Democrats want to offer it to the entire world. That doesn’t work financially, without taxing everyone at an insane level.
Gun shot wound isn't the issue LOL. The Emergency Rooms have to provide Emergency Care. But if one goes in with symptoms that are not life threatening, an illness or just symptoms, they are told they can not be admitted until their life is threatened. When they wait a year or two and go back, they are terminal. Happens every day.
 
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Those are the key words. ChatGPT says there is no reliable study showing 23% and it doesn't make sense. The vaccine had many issues and side effects but how can you do a population study of statistical significance after 5 years that shows that the group who got the vaccine are dying at a rate 23% higher than those that didn't. What it probably shows is older vaccinated people died at a much higher rate than younger people who refused the vaccine. Older people do die at a higher rate.

What is sad is all this noise takes away from the forced vaccinations the Dems forced on people. This is the lesson we need to learn and avoid in the future. A voluntary vaccine was OK for 65 and older; people forget the fear in 2020. But never, ever force it on people involuntarily like the Dems did. And Gavin Newsome wants to be our next president....
I can't understand let alone agree with you guys that agree to this anti- vaxx non-sense. It started when I was 2 with the Salk Polio vaccine. To be consistent, you object to the polio vaccine, and think it was acceptable for my parents to risk me being in an iron lung until death. I have been vaccinated every year to be admitted to school, as have all of my kids. You guys object to that. It is called Public Health. I believe in science, you believe in conspiracy nuttiness.
 

rillaman

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Gun shot wound isn't the issue LOL. The Emergency Rooms have to provide Emergency Care. But if one goes in with symptoms that are not life threatening, an illness or just symptoms, they are told they can not be admitted until their life is threatened. When they wait a year or two and go back, they are terminal. Happens every day.

That’s because unfortunately a lot of people go to the ER when they don’t need to. Typically, they tell those people to go to an urgent care, minute clinic, or PCP (at a much lower cost) to take care of that type of illness or injury. I have that conversation on an almost daily basis when helping employers control their healthcare costs.

You are not wrong in thinking our healthcare system is broken. But I think you are dodging some of the negatives around socialized healthcare too.

There are times where Americans travel to other countries for healthcare. There are times when non Americans come to the US for healthcare. Both systems have their holes.

Trump is actually doing some things that could help in the future. I know some will never give him credit but he is fighting to get costs down for drugs that are cheaper when sourced outside of the country.

Mark Cuban is a good follow on LinkedIn for those interested in seeing why our healthcare system is so broken. He is also trying to make a difference.
 

rillaman

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I can't understand let alone agree with you guys that agree to this anti- vaxx non-sense. It started when I was 2 with the Salk Polio vaccine. To be consistent, you object to the polio vaccine, and think it was acceptable for my parents to risk me being in an iron lung until death. I have been vaccinated every year to be admitted to school, as have all of my kids. You guys object to that. It is called Public Health. I believe in science, you believe in conspiracy nuttiness.

No, these things are nothing alike. Most of us had already been exposed to COVID and fought it off with little problem.

I haven’t seen anyone on here talking about the polio vaccine.