OT: We may win the World Cup in 2026

RU848789

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I guess it’s the letter of the law now, but I think it should be reexamined going forward.
Once it was established that the ball grazed Matanovich's head, that meant Pasalic was offside. Nothing new there - and one didn't really need the chip to see it had hit his head visually. Brutal way to lose though.
 

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Thought I’d merge these two thoughts.

Like I said - England gonna get the full CONCAF treatment. Outside hotel party…obsessive fans…heat…elevation…piss lol. Don’t think they will be ready - as much as I hate seeing Mexico advance.
English hoologans vs Mexican cartels is going to be interesting. I’ll be golfing so won’t see the carnage but there will be some.

Some rumors the cartels threatened Ecuador players families. Shades of Colombia back in the day. Wouldn’t shock me if it were true.
 
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English hoologans vs Mexican cartels is going to be interesting. I’ll be golfing so won’t see the carnage but there will be some.

Some rumors the cartels threatened Ecuador players families. Shades of Colombia back in the day. Wouldn’t shock me if it were true.
Mexico losing in Azteca would be delightful…despite the looting and plundering and burning that would follow. This entire WC should have been held in the US.
 

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Imagine how good the old Yugoslavia might be if the various countries that used to make up that country were still together...

Following the dissolution of Yugoslavia in the early 1990s, several independent nations from the region have successfully qualified for the FIFA World Cup: [1, 2]
  • Croatia: Qualified as an independent nation in 1998, 2002, 2006, 2014, 2018, 2022, and 2026.
  • Serbia: Competed as the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in 1998, as Serbia and Montenegro in 2006, and as Serbia in 2010, 2018, and 2022.
  • Slovenia: Qualified for the World Cup in 2002 and 2010.
  • Bosnia and Herzegovina: Qualified for the World Cup in 2014 and advanced to the knockout stages in 2026. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7]
You aren’t wrong but culturally they don’t all get along so they might not necessarily be better all together and also they don’t have good teams all at the same time

you could also say this about basketball seeing Luka and the Joker on the same team.

But on the other hand, Yugoslavia was a made up country that came out of WW1 following the collapse of the Austria-Hungary Empire.
 

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Then has to be from Meola, Harkes, Ramos, Reyna, or Berhalter. All really good players! NJ was really a hotbed of talent back in the day.
Several of us here know Alexi and played against former US men’s national team members from New Jersey as we were growing up.
 
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2.6 GPG thus far in the round of 32. Wanna try one more time? You don’t like soccer. It’s OK. Just say so instead of making things up.
I like the big international tourneys.

and as i said i did exaggerate for effect.

2.6 goals per game is not exactly disproving my point
 
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We'll continue to disagree on whether there is something system with FIFA refs. Can't say I ever notices a pattern, but I will say the ref last night did appear to favor BH on the red card call and on at least two significant shirt pulls from behind that have automatically been yellow cards in this tourney, but were only given as regular fouls. I view this as an exception, overall, though.
Shirt pulling should be an automatic foul which was how i called it reffing soccer. Second shirt pull you get a yellow third second yellow which automatically triggers red.

Also if you pull a shirt in the box could/would result in a PK
 
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It's interesting that the AI answer is that the ref could've given a red, yellow or no card in this situation, but I think you're correct here that it's either red or nothing (it's tough to find an exact official source on this). Regardless, was just looking at this discussion by a high level ref, who said the VAR guidance was misapplied in this case (showing stills and slow motion which "is not aligned with VAR protocols," making it more likely for the red to be called.

VAR review: VAR was uncomfortable with the replays that showed the Bosnian defender's right ankle buckle under contact from Balogun when both players were challenging for the ball. VAR believed Balogun was dangerous in his play and recommended the referee visit the pitchside monitor to review for a possible red card.

Verdict: Balogun can feel unfortunate to be red carded in this situation as, in my opinion, this was not a red card offense. With both players challenging for ball, the contact from Balogun on Muharemovic, while it looked bad in slow motion, was purely accidental and an unfortunate result from two players challenging for possession of the ball in a normal football movement.

VAR made their recommendation to the referee based on slow-motion and still replays, which is not aligned with VAR protocols, as these should be used for only point-of-contact purposes in a red card tackle situation. Once at the screen, however, it would have been a surprise if the referee did not send off Balogun considering the pictures he was presented by VAR.


https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...ly-red-carded-world-cup-vs-bosnia-herzegovina
What i read once there's a VAR review by the ref he has to issue Red card or no foul. Seems crazy
 

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Nothing new but still a bad rule that needs to be reevaluated going forward. Sports can still evolve.
There's nothing wrong with the offside rule . It's simple you're off-sides if you're beyond the last defender when the ball is played to you.
 

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What i read once there's a VAR review by the ref he has to issue Red card or no foul. Seems crazy
That is correct. There is limits to what VAR can review. This makes sense, otherwise you would be stopping the game for everything. Red cards are reviewable, yellow cards are not (unless it is a second yellow, that is a recent change).

I totally get that VAR should only stop the game if they believe it is a possible red. However, once they do that and call the on-field ref over to review, that ref should have full latitude to change his call however he wants. He should not be restricted to "red or nothing".
 

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There's nothing wrong with the offside rule . It's simple you're off-sides if you're beyond the last defender when the ball is played to you.
Something many casual fans don't realize is that the offside rule exists to ENCOURAGE OFFENSE. Without it, teams just packed their defenses around the goal and just banged the ball upfield.
 

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I like the big international tourneys.

and as i said i did exaggerate for effect.

2.6 goals per game is not exactly disproving my point
Uhmmmm….you said “1-0.” 2.6 is most definitely disproving your point lol! Anyway GREAT tournament so far!!!

AGAIN - scoring is not supposed to be easy. Especially at this level!
 
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Nothing new but still a bad rule that needs to be reevaluated going forward. Sports can still evolve.
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Stupid rule that brutally penalizes a team for doing something that literally has no impact on the game or specific play. This needs to change for the sport to advance.
 
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How is it a bad rule and how should it be changed either?
Simple, make it like hockey. The offsides line should be static around the 25'ish. Once the ball goes past, have at it boys. No stupid arbitrary penalties that wipe out goals, no moving targets, no VAR to see if someone's strain of hair touched the ball in a meaningless way.

The ball goes into the zone and then the players just get to play. Logical, simple, and so much better.
 
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Simple, make it like hockey. The offsides line should be static around the 25'ish. Once the ball goes past, have at it boys. No stupid arbitrary penalties that wipe out goals, no moving targets, no VAR to see if someone's strain of hair touched the ball in a meaningless way.

The ball goes into the zone and then the players just get to play. Logical, simple, and so much better.
But then guys will hang out in front of goal waiting for the long pass

will destroy soccer

but they could make the goal bigger since GKs have gotten bigger
 

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But then guys will hang out in front of goal waiting for the long pass

will destroy soccer

but they could make the goal bigger since GKs have gotten bigger
No they won't. There is still an offsides line and penalty. Ball needs to clear it first.

Bigger goals are a good idea as well.
 
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But then guys will hang out in front of goal waiting for the long pass

will destroy soccer

but they could make the goal bigger since GKs have gotten bigger

Not necessarily.
I think the idea is if the ball is played from outside the "offside line" (25y for example) - you must be onside.

So in your example, a long pass from midfield to a guy standing next to the goalie is offside like normal.

But a situation with a ball played near the net - like the Croatia game - no offsides ever.

Once the ball is within 25y - you can't be offside at all.
 

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Not necessarily.
I think the idea is if the ball is played from outside the "offside line" (25y for example) - you must be onside.

So in your example, a long pass from midfield to a guy standing next to the goalie is offside like normal.

But a situation with a ball played near the net - like the Croatia game - no offsides ever.

Once the ball is within 25y - you can't be offside at all.
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And if the ball is cleared by the defender over the 25, the offside rule resets and starts over (once again, just like hockey and the blue line).
 

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There's nothing wrong with the offside rule . It's simple you're off-sides if you're beyond the last defender when the ball is played to you.
That sure seems like a dumb rule to me. Who would not wanna see an offensive player with the ball and ahead of the defense challenging the goalie. ? Stupid, stupid rule. Let the defense catch up before you try to score ?
 

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That sure seems like a dumb rule to me. Who would not wanna see an offensive player with the ball and ahead of the defense challenging the goalie. ? Stupid, stupid rule. Let the defense catch up before you try to score ?
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Great summary of the rule. Folks clinging to this awful rule are like the baseball "purists" that fought against the pitch clock. That clock has made baseball so much better and more watchable. All sports need to adapt and evolve.
 
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Stupid rule that brutally penalizes a team for doing something that literally has no impact on the game or specific play. This needs to change for the sport to advance.
Clueless take
Simple, make it like hockey. The offsides line should be static around the 25'ish. Once the ball goes past, have at it boys. No stupid arbitrary penalties that wipe out goals, no moving targets, no VAR to see if someone's strain of hair touched the ball in a meaningless way.

The ball goes into the zone and then the players just get to play. Logical, simple, and so much better.
A soccer pitch fits 3-4 hockey rinks while only having twice as many players on it.

What they have proposed is changing the rule to where only part of the body needs to be aligned with the last defender which will work fine.
 

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That sure seems like a dumb rule to me. Who would not wanna see an offensive player with the ball and ahead of the defense challenging the goalie. ? Stupid, stupid rule. Let the defense catch up before you try to score ?
Kick and run soccer is something only idiot fans promote. Congrats.
 

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SIAP:

Wanna "fix" offsides? Instead of "ANY part of the body is beyond the line" make it 'THE ENTIRE BODY is beyond the line."
 

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I generally like to watch games played at the highest levels due to the skill on display, but the diving and histrionics is a turn off. The refs don't discourage the behavior but it could be reduced if players were at risk of getting a yellow card. Many players rolling on the ground for effect, or holding their face in the palms, or grabbing at their legs/knees/ankles, are not injured in any way whatsoever. Why allow that behavior to be rewarded with foul calls or yellow cards that result in possession advantages, free/direct kicks, or worse yet when inside the box, penalty kicks.

When there are severe injuries, it's noticeable how the player is rarely compelled to play it up. Injured players won't roll around if their leg just snapped or their ankle got broken/crushed. They are potentially in a state of shock like that Canadian player who didn't even appear to visibly wince despite the ridiculous pain he must have been in.

The acting takes away some of the joy of watching these athletes perform. Just as it does in some other sports. Sure it's been going on since the beginning of time and any advantage players can gain they will try to exploit and even take it further, but especially moreso when there are no real consequences. Adjust the rules so that there are some...

Anyway, my token complaint post about the flopping. Carry on....and go USA!
 
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I generally like to watch games played at the highest levels due to the skill on display, but the diving and histrionics is a turn off. The refs don't discourage the behavior but it could be reduced if players were at risk of getting a yellow card. Many players rolling on the ground for effect, or holding their face in the palms, or grabbing at their legs/knees/ankles, are not injured in any way whatsoever. Why allow that behavior to be rewarded with foul calls or yellow cards that result in possession advantages, free/direct kicks, or worse yet when inside the box, penalty kicks.

When there are severe injuries, it's noticeable how the player is rarely compelled to play it up. Injured players won't roll around if their leg just snapped or their ankle got broken/crushed. They are potentially in a state of shock like that Canadian player who didn't even appear to visibly wince despite the ridiculous pain he must have been in.

The acting takes away some of the joy of watching these athletes perform. Just as it does in some other sports. Sure it's been going on since the beginning of time and any advantage players can gain they will try to exploit and even take it further, but especially moreso when there are no real consequences. Adjust the rules so that there are some...

Anyway, my token complaint post about the flopping. Carry on....and go USA!
There is more flopping in soccer than in the NBA (which is shocking).
 
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Soccer needs a two point arc too. It needs to be Americanized. It’s not really changed with the times.
 

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I generally like to watch games played at the highest levels due to the skill on display, but the diving and histrionics is a turn off. The refs don't discourage the behavior but it could be reduced if players were at risk of getting a yellow card. Many players rolling on the ground for effect, or holding their face in the palms, or grabbing at their legs/knees/ankles, are not injured in any way whatsoever. Why allow that behavior to be rewarded with foul calls or yellow cards that result in possession advantages, free/direct kicks, or worse yet when inside the box, penalty kicks.

When there are severe injuries, it's noticeable how the player is rarely compelled to play it up. Injured players won't roll around if their leg just snapped or their ankle got broken/crushed. They are potentially in a state of shock like that Canadian player who didn't even appear to visibly wince despite the ridiculous pain he must have been in.

The acting takes away some of the joy of watching these athletes perform. Just as it does in some other sports. Sure it's been going on since the beginning of time and any advantage players can gain they will try to exploit and even take it further, but especially moreso when there are no real consequences. Adjust the rules so that there are some...

Anyway, my token complaint post about the flopping. Carry on....and go USA!

I think they have that already. Didn't the guy from Paraguay get one against the US for embellishing.
 
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It seems the trolls haven't watched a lot of the WC this year.

There has been very little diving/flopping because of the new rule that allows VAR to step in and give a yellow card to guys that faked being fouled. Since that was called against Paraguay, there has been little flopping that I have seen.

Also, getting rules suggestions from guys who do not like the sport? Uhhh. Not going to happen.

Adapt or die? It's only the biggest sport on the planet. I don't see it dying anytime soon.
 
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It seems the trolls haven't watched a lot of the WC this year.

There has been very little diving/flopping because of the new rule that allows VAR to step in and give a yellow card to guys that faked being fouled. Since that was called against Paraguay, there has been little flopping that I have seen.

Also, getting rules suggestions from guys who do not like the sport? Uhhh. Not going to happen.

Adapt or die? It's only the biggest sport on the planet. I don't see it dying anytime soon.
All of the over exaggerating fouls and injuries is still ridiculous and should be equally penalized to remove it from the game. They should be forced to sit out for 15 mins and play a man down, or start handing out red cards like free candy on Halloween to stop this nonsense. These guys act like they were shot from a little bump. They don't even use the magic spray much anymore to miraculously heal after 30 seconds.
 

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Not necessarily.
I think the idea is if the ball is played from outside the "offside line" (25y for example) - you must be onside.

So in your example, a long pass from midfield to a guy standing next to the goalie is offside like normal.

But a situation with a ball played near the net - like the Croatia game - no offsides ever.

Once the ball is within 25y - you can't be offside at all.
That makes more sense