Active Duty Major calls for Trump to be impeached and removed

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It is because you always get so emotional when we interact and I prefer to interact with rational posters.

I may not agree with TG in all things, though there are some, at least he doesn't get all flustered and emotional.
So emotional......
 

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I know, I hope you get that under control some day.
And I hope with maturity you can come to grasp with people having a different opinion than yourself and not constantly feel the need to dismiss others with fallacies to protect your ego.



We can all hope right?
 

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You're funny ghee. Sorry I get triggered on that topic. The double standard between the IC and politicians is probably my biggest gripe (don't get me started). Oh, and I was an Intelligence Analyst (not officer). I retired an E-7 in 2013, then became a defense contractor at NSA until 2021. Now I'm just scrub contractor with nothing higher than a Secret clearance. :(
I've stopped weighing in on these arguments, however... As you know and are defending, military service comes with obligations and standards of conduct. He was wrong to do it in uniform, he was also there on invite of Rep. Al Green, at a rally he was having, which is also forbids wearing a uniform at. Dress in civvy's have your day. This is all staged for the drama unfolding.

This is where I like to dive deeper and see what his career like (passed up for promotion, recent DUI, ****** Officer?). But when that Marine COL a year or so ago, went off on his op-ed to the Wash Post, and I posted that he was a professional military speech writer, and was at terminal rank, and at the end of his career, and this was just a stunt for him to gain attention for post-military career.... those facts adding to the conversation were met with the same dismissiveness. Also, who the F wears the c_nt cap anymore, and with ridiculous aviator glasses.
 
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And I hope with maturity you can come to grasp with people having a different opinion than yourself and not constantly feel the need to dismiss others with fallacies to protect your ego.



We can all hope right?
I said I asked a question of another poster.
You questioned my sexuality.

I'm not the emotional one, I am not the one dismissing those with other beliefs.

TG and I have had some good back and forth.
You on the other hand, you just start to get all emotional and name cally. When have I ever called you a name? I am not the one with the maturity issue here Whiskey.

You weren't like this before, you've changed.
Is everything ok at home? How about work?
I hope you find the help and peace you deserve.
 
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A. you just dated yourself (big time). B. good luck seeing the bus driver hat these days. :(
lol. I retired in 2014, and spent my entire career in Airborne and SF & Special Ops communities...so yeah, only wore a beret. bus driver hats are back in fashion again!! .... the Army's new A's sport them WWII style, and the Ike Jacket, recall me today just to wear that around....but not at a staged political rally in DC.
 
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I said I asked a question of another poster.
You questioned my sexuality.

I'm not the emotional one, I am not the one dismissing those with other beliefs.

TG and I have had some good back and forth.
You on the other hand, you just start to get all emotional and name cally. When have I ever called you a name? I am not the one with the maturity issue here Whiskey.

You weren't like this before, you've changed.
Is everything ok at home? How about work?
I hope you find the help and peace you deserve.
Jesus dude it was joke. Nobody cares if you are gay. Never better mate, busy as can be but life is good.
 

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lol. I retired in 2014, and spent my entire career in Airborne and SF & Special Ops communities...so yeah, only wore a beret. bus driver hats are back in fashion again!! .... the Army's new A's sport them WWII style, and the Ike Jacket, recall me today just to wear that around....but not at a staged political rally in DC.
Air Force blues have sucked since we made them look like airline pilots.

I miss the 4-pocket jacket. I still have mine in the attic somewhere.

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Jesus dude it was joke. Nobody cares if you are gay. Never better mate, busy as can be but life is good.
I hope that is true man, I really do. But there have just been some signs with your erratic and emotionally volatile posting.

I know there has to be someone out there that loves you, so reach out to them if you need to.

Have a blessed day.
 
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I said I asked a question of another poster.
You questioned my sexuality.

I'm not the emotional one, I am not the one dismissing those with other beliefs.

TG and I have had some good back and forth.
You on the other hand, you just start to get all emotional and name cally. When have I ever called you a name? I am not the one with the maturity issue here Whiskey.

You weren't like this before, you've changed.
Is everything ok at home? How about work?
I hope you find the help and peace you deserve.
He simply doesn’t win awards for his attire any more and he feels old. He needs to buy a mustang or something….
 

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The shorts of the joke are the only 2 popularity contest I have ever won are (1) in 8th grade the fine ladies of my class voted me "best dressed" and the emotional equivalent males on here (2) voting me wpoty last year.
Ah.

What was your signature look?
 

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Many, but not everyone.
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Agreeing with what he said doesn't automatically make him a true patriot. Patriotism isn't just about what you believe...it's also about honoring the responsibilities you voluntarily took on. If he's active duty and in uniform, those responsibilities include staying politically neutral. So, while I personally agree with much of what he said, I still think he exercised poor judgment and violated military regs.
His responsibilities include defending his country against all enemies. "Just following orders" is how you get a military backing a fascist. And I'm sure he was aware of any consequences he would face... and he did it anyway. Civil disobedience has a long and illustrious history here. Doing the right thing in the face of consequences - and accepting those consequences - is the definition of courage.
 
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His responsibilities include defending his country against all enemies. "Just following orders" is how you get a military backing a fascist. And I'm sure he was aware of any consequences he would face... and he did it anyway. Civil disobedience has a long and illustrious history here. Doing the right thing in the face of consequences - and accepting those consequences - is the definition of courage.
Nailed it....
 

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Did you not read my post. I explained it. Its because active-duty service members aren't allowed to engage in partisan political activity while in uniform or in a way that creates the appearance the military is taking a political position. We can't go vote in uniform, take part in protests, etc.

DoD Directive 1344.10 – Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces.
- "A member of the Armed Forces on active duty may... express a personal opinion on political candidates and issues, but not as a representative of the Armed Forces." (Para. 4.1.1.1)

- "A member of the Armed Forces on active duty shall not... speak before a partisan political gathering, including any gathering that promotes a partisan political party, candidate, or cause." (Para. 4.1.2.5)

- "A member of the Armed Forces on active duty shall not... participate in any radio, television, or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause." (Para. 4.1.2.6)

As for the second part of response. You're asking "Who does the oath serve?" I'm specifically talking about "What are active-duty members allowed to do while in uniform?" Those arent the same thing.

Like I told Chis, I agree with the Major. All I was pointing out is he's opening himself up to a court martial, and knowing how petty Pete is, I'm pretty certain if this guy is truly an active duty service memeber (I haven't looked him up) then he'd better be prepared to face the music. Nothing more.

Heck, a father can kill the guy who raped his daughter and we ALL support him. ...doesn't mean he wont be arrested and charged with murder.
These aren't political statements. They are criticisms of Trump breaking the laws of the constitution.
 

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His responsibilities include defending his country against all enemies. "Just following orders" is how you get a military backing a fascist. And I'm sure he was aware of any consequences he would face... and he did it anyway. Civil disobedience has a long and illustrious history here. Doing the right thing in the face of consequences - and accepting those consequences - is the definition of courage.
I don't disagree. I simply pointed out what those consequences would be and the fact he will most likely face them. I didn't give any other opinion aside from the fact I mostly agreed with his message, but yet I'm the one getting blasted for simply stating what the military regulations are. IMO, if people don't like the fact he'll face them, they should write their congress person rather than shoot the messenger ;)
 
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I don't disagree. I simply pointed out what those consequences would be and the fact he will most likely face them. I didn't give any other opinion aside from the fact I mostly agreed with his message, but yet I'm the one getting blasted for simply stating what the military regulations are. IMO, if people don't like the fact he'll face them, they should write their congress person rather than shoot the messenger ;)
Damn you and your knowledge....
 
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These aren't political statements. They are criticisms of Trump breaking the laws of the constitution.
Another weird hill you're chosing to die on Huey.

If an active-duty service member, while in uniform or in an official context, publicly advocates for or against a partisan political figure, the DoD regulations still apply; even if they're framing it as defending the Constitution or criticizing unlawful conduct. The military intentionally sets a higher standard to avoid even the appearance of institutional partisanship.

I'm not arguing whether Trump did or didn't violate the Constitution. I'm saying that if this officer's comments are determined to be partisan political advocacy under DoD rules, he will likely face disciplinary action regardless of whether many people agree with what he said.

Why is this so hard to understand? Would it help if I changed my avatar to his image and put HERO on it?
 
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Another weird hill you're chosing to die on Huey.

If an active-duty service member, while in uniform or in an official context, publicly advocates for or against a partisan political figure, the DoD regulations still apply; even if they're framing it as defending the Constitution or criticizing unlawful conduct. The military intentionally sets a higher standard to avoid even the appearance of institutional partisanship.

I'm not arguing whether Trump did or didn't violate the Constitution. I'm saying that if this officer's comments are determined to be partisan political advocacy under DoD rules, he will likely face disciplinary action regardless of whether many people agree with what he said.

Why is this so hard to understand? Would it help if I changed my avatar to his image and put HERO on it?
So why don't these codes of conduct apply to Trump's people? Your argument falls flat there.
 

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I don't disagree. I simply pointed out what those consequences would be and the fact he will most likely face them. I didn't give any other opinion aside from the fact I mostly agreed with his message, but yet I'm the one getting blasted for simply stating what the military regulations are. IMO, if people don't like the fact he'll face them, they should write their congress person rather than shoot the messenger ;)
I think what's being missed is that everyone understood he would face severe consequences but he did it anyway and that's why his courage was so notable. Diverting the conversation to the consequences is beside the point, because we implicitly knew those were coming.and we didn't expect he'd get a pass. ;-)
 
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Agreeing with what he said doesn't automatically make him a true patriot. Patriotism isn't just about what you believe...it's also about honoring the responsibilities you voluntarily took on. If he's active duty and in uniform, those responsibilities include staying politically neutral. So, while I personally agree with much of what he said, I still think he exercised poor judgment and violated military regs.
He made a speech.

Hopefully he feels better, but he accomplished nothing.