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I'd be cool with a law that grandfathers in all existing legal voters w/o ID and takes a free certified photo on the spot when people register to vote for the first time. It would also need to be completely independent from LEO. A person with a warrant should still be allowed to vote. The people w/o ID are a dwindling population.
You liked that didn’t you, snowflake. It proves KD and I think for ourselves. You wouldn’t know anything about that.Your own homeboy just politely told you to sit down.
As far as elections/voter fraud is concerned, I believe it is a big deal. You will never convince me that 2020 was legit. Five, I said five, swing states went from red to blue overnight, yet no state went blue to red. Why would anyone question that, especially given the fact most people went to bed assuming they’d wake up to Trump as the winner.
The Left’s own arrogance put Trump back in office though. They couldn’t steal this one. They had f’d up for almost 4 years, and basically had to throw in the towel.
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No worries, @Mac9192. Some children still believe in the tooth fairy as well.
Trump is in office because he told a bunch of lies, and the majority of the electorate believed them, including you. Fast forward to now. This is the “find out” phase, where you and they learn the consequences of voting for a moron by having to endure the results of that decision in real time. And don’t you worry, it’s going to get a lot worse before this is over, so you’ll have plenty more opportunities to question exactly how you fell for this multiple times.
Don’t blame “the Left” for your poor decision making and thought process. You put him in office with your vote, not the Left. I thought the Right was all about personal accountability, making your own way, etc. You made a mistake. Just own it.
You don’t need to keep repeating his lies. He doesn’t care about you, he doesn’t care about this country, and he would let it all burn down in a second if it benefited him. This is a man with no true beliefs or moral compass. He only cares about himself and what can make him richer.
The “rigged election” BS was his own tooth fairy story that he told so he didn’t have to admit that he lost. It’s the same reason he’s trying to build all these monuments now that will outlast him. He knows no one is going to build anything honoring him in the future, so he’ll just build them now while he still can.
The funny part is deep down, he knows he’s a loser who never deserved to hold the office. It’s why he acts the way he does.
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This is pure gold. I appreciate the laugh. You may want to step out of the basement, and get some fresh air.
You're welcome to question those things. The problem is when you refuse to accept the obvious, logical, verifiable answers that have been given nonstop ever since. Just to name 2: first, urban areas take longer to tabulate and report. Urban areas favor Democrats. And second, because of Covid, mail-in voting was much more popular, and President Trump (#45) spent 4 years undermining GOP faith in mail-in voting. So when the mail-in votes were added -- at the end -- they leaned more heavily Democratic than usual.
Because of the odd nature of the 2020 election due to Covid, and because our President had spent more than 4 years casting doubt on election integrity, it was arguably the most closely watched election ever. GOP-led Boards of Election in red states confirmed its integrity everywhere. President Trump went 1 for 61 in court with his challenges.
There is no evidence to support your position. You have been gaslit by one of the greatest conmen in history.
If you go to bed at halftime and wake up to learn there was a big comeback win, do you think it was rigged?
You can't even address a single point, yet have the audacity to call the Left sheep, academics sheep, the people who specialize in critical thinking sheep.
But @Mac9192 absolutely does need to keep repeating our President's lies. The alternative is admitting he was wrong.
He was able to rationalize away the continued redaction of the Epstein Files after touting it as a big campaign promise. He was able to defend starting a new war after bragging about our President's not getting us into new wars. Very recently, he has started expressing a few doubts here and there, but always followed up by some claim that Harris would have been worse. You watch, though: the 2020 election lie will be the last thing he ever gives up. It is the foundational lie of this second chapter of Trump's Presidency. As long as he can cling to that, he retains what he thinks is dignity.
Our two libs here have been trained well. First, the 20 election was on the up and up. It wasn’t, and most levelheaded people know something was real fishy. Not sure about the other four states, but Georgia first reported they had to stop due to a water leak? The leaders road the coattails of COVID to muck things up, and when they realized they were down too far, plan B was used. That beeping sound heard was the trucks backing into the back doors with those infamous mail in ballots. Let’s fight the legitimacy of it. Nice try. The powers had muddied up the waters, so it couldn’t be overturned.
The same libs complain about billionaires not paying their fair share. Yet they are too dense to see that those responsible for changing any of the tax laws are the folks WE elect. They pass the laws. Bigger problem though is they WILL NOT CHANGE THE LAWS. Why? Glad you asked. Because they have received $$ from these same billionaires that are being complained about. Oh, it’s only the republicans that libs complain about. Their side doesn’t cheat, lie, or steal. How stupid is that thinking? Very, but it’s also being indoctrinated. It’s ok though. I used to think my side was on the up and up too.
For over 40 years, every administration has complained about Iran. Now Trump does something, and all hell breaks loose. In no way am I saying Trump has handled things well. But do you not see the irony here? And speaking of Trump, he was loved by the left until he threw his hat in the ring as a Republican. Even funnier that the same man who had NEVER held a political position, was all the sudden responsible for everything wrong in the country.
Make this make sense. As long as @Ghost of Dattier and @DuckDevil keep their eyes closed, it won’t. Yes, you’re both sheep.
The same libs complain about billionaires not paying their fair share. Yet they are too dense to see that those responsible for changing any of the tax laws are the folks WE elect. They pass the laws. Bigger problem though is they WILL NOT CHANGE THE LAWS. Why? Glad you asked. Because they have received $$ from these same billionaires that are being complained about. Oh, it’s only the republicans that libs complain about. Their side doesn’t cheat, lie, or steal. How stupid is that thinking? Very, but it’s also being indoctrinated. It’s ok though. I used to think my side was on the up and up too.
For over 40 years, every administration has complained about Iran. Now Trump does something, and all hell breaks loose. In no way am I saying Trump has handled things well. But do you not see the irony here? And speaking of Trump, he was loved by the left until he threw his hat in the ring as a Republican. Even funnier that the same man who had NEVER held a political position, was all the sudden responsible for everything wrong in the country.
Make this make sense. As long as @Ghost of Dattier and @DuckDevil keep their eyes closed, it won’t. Yes, you’re both sheep.
Georgia was run entirely by Republicans at the time, from the governor down to the local Boards of Elections. All of them confirmed the integrity of the election. You just repeated the same "evidence" that I just explained, plus the colorful addition of a truck beeping while backing up.
And let's stay focused. The 2020 election. Let's not get distracted right here, right now by both-sides-isms, billionaires' taxes, & Iran. There is time for all of that later.
Duck & I are repeating well-established facts. You're denying well-established facts. It's not a matter of opinion. It's not a matter of interpretation. It's a matter of facts. We are repeating them. You are denying them.
You just don't (refuse) to see how things are. Facts huh? So it's only facts when you say it. Gotcha. Even when your side has been proven to be liars, you still can sit there and say this. You wonder why I call you a sheep. If the Left had ranks like the Army, you'd be a Major.
What I'm saying can't be proven, but that's by a clever design. Even after everything that we've lived through in the last 10 or so years, you still think your side is the side of decency, honor... it's those awful elephants, mainly Trump. You just refuse to think your side holds any responsibility. You don't want to talk about billionaires, taxes, and Iran. We know why too. You're probably scouring the web as I type this to find anything to make Trump look bad, or that billionaires are bad. You're right, most are. Maybe I'm wrong and all billionaires are bad. I mean the world is run by $$. And you get power by spending it.
In the Robin Williams movie, Man of the Year, he said something in a debate that we should make mandatory. NASCAR drivers have all their sponsors on their uniforms. Politicians should too, or at least it should be made public where their money is coming from.
The irony of the SAVE Act is that it’s the very thing that would allow our elections to be rigged in the future which is why even republicans oppose it. What has always protected U.S. elections is that they’re not centralized and they’re not standardized across districts. Because elections are run at the local level, they’re virtually impossible to rig because you would have to simultaneously compromise roughly 8,000 different election jurisdictions that all use different technology, different procedures, and are administered by locals who live in those communities.
Any logical, rational person would understand why that’s a good thing. It should also be apparent why a president who constantly lies, cheats, and steals suddenly wants to centralize elections with the SAVE Act when he’s about to get destroyed in the midterms. A good rule of thumb is that every accusation from Trump and MAGA should be treated as an admission of guilt. They want to do it, so they accuse the other side of doing it to justify their own actions.
What makes Mac’s belief in this conspiracy theory even funnier is that Trump was president during the 2020 election. He controlled the federal government. Did he rig it against himself? Haha. Also, it’s been six years. He’s had complete control of the government since the last election. Why hasn’t he released the evidence, @Mac9192?
The answer is twofold. There is no evidence because it’s BS and always was, and he also knows that a subset of his voters are too ******* stupid to put two and two together and will parrot anything he says, no matter how outrageous. In real life, I use this as a barometer of sorts to tell whether the person I’m talking to is an idiot. Sometimes you just have to wonder what the hell went so wrong with our nation’s education system that people are so susceptible to such easily disproven lies.
@Mac9192 do you also believe that the moon landing is fake? Do you believe the earth is flat? lol
Facts are not subjective. Repeat that. Facts are not subjective. Something is either true or it’s false. The worst thing about social media and the internet is that they give the illusion that all opinions are equal when they’re not. Most people have no idea what they’re talking about. Their opinions and thoughts on all subjects should only be considered with that in mind.
And what do you mean we don’t want to talk about Iran, billionaires, or taxes? We’ve been talking about billionaires and taxes for two weeks. We’ve been talking about the Iran war for months now. We lost the war because of poor leadership, and now we’re having to literally pay them off to reopen the Strait that was open before the war. Trump will go down in history as the first president to lose a war to an inferior country in only four months’ time.
While this accomplishment is actually impressive in its own right, to fumble something like this when you command the “strongest military in the world” is remarkable and historic. Does it not reinforce the fact that he is a loser at his core? I’m sure Trump will actually have a monument built for this accomplishment, but it won’t be built here in the US. The Iranians will build one to celebrate their victory over the US. So maybe that’s how Trump’s dementia-addled brain can spin this into a win.
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Trump's dementia addled brain. Now there's a rich comment. Where have you read anyone here blindly following Trump? Blind and following are exclusive to @Ghost of Dattier and @DuckDevil. They own those rights. The elephants are the evil party. Their side plays by the rules. Yeah buddy. Indoctrinated little soldiers are what they are. Sheep for the cause. Don't cough, or you'll spit up wool.
You can try posting all these things to show Trump is the evil one, the other elephants too. But the simple truth is money is the issue. Both parties are bought and paid for. I said Both parties are bought and paid for. You have no answer that for over 40 years each administration has spoken negatively about Iran, but done basically nothing but kick the can down the road. All the sudden Trump decides to do something, but now every arm chair quarterback critiques him. I'm not saying he's all right. But, he ain't all wrong either. What's worse is guys like @DuckDevil and @Ghost of Dattier do the most, but neither one have probably ever held a job in the real world.
You know, movies might be fictional, but there's a lot of truth to many of them. All have very wealthy people that grab a lot of power by bribing others. This really is this simple. You buy Politicians, you become untouchable.
But keep blaming it ALL on Trump.
You can try posting all these things to show Trump is the evil one, the other elephants too. But the simple truth is money is the issue. Both parties are bought and paid for. I said Both parties are bought and paid for. You have no answer that for over 40 years each administration has spoken negatively about Iran, but done basically nothing but kick the can down the road. All the sudden Trump decides to do something, but now every arm chair quarterback critiques him. I'm not saying he's all right. But, he ain't all wrong either. What's worse is guys like @DuckDevil and @Ghost of Dattier do the most, but neither one have probably ever held a job in the real world.
You know, movies might be fictional, but there's a lot of truth to many of them. All have very wealthy people that grab a lot of power by bribing others. This really is this simple. You buy Politicians, you become untouchable.
But keep blaming it ALL on Trump.
What fact(s) have I stated that you are disputing?
* Georgia was run by the GOP, from governor down to local Boards of Elections, all of whom vouch for the integrity of the 2020 election.
* President Trump lost 60 of 61 court cases challenging the 2020 election.
*Urban votes take longer to tabulate and are often among the last vote counts reported. Urban areas vote heavily for Democrats.
*Alternate forms of voting (everything other than walk-in voting on Election Day) skew more and more toward Democratic candidates.
*President Trump discouraged his supporters from voting by mail.
*Mail-in votes are added last.
*Covid resulted in more people voting by mail.
*President Trump had already sewn so much distrust of elections that the 2020 election was more closely monitored than possibly every other election before it.
*There has never been more than a handful of convictions across the entire country for fraudulent voting in any election.
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All jobs are in the real world.
I think you blindly follow President Trump almost all of the time. Your insistence on claiming the 2020 election was fraudulent, ignoring the Epstein Files and the continued suppression of them, and the flip-flop you've done on starting foreign war are 3 bits of evidence that lead me to that conclusion.
You're drifting Datt, and to no surprise, missing the point. Being in education is admirable. I do respect what teachers do, but they generally are in a bubble. It's not the same as a guy that owns a company, and has to meet payroll, pay vendors, meet deadlines...
I won't deny my thoughts on the 20 election. I even have given what I think are logical reasons why things are the way they are. It's power through money, which leads to bribes, and owning others. If you don't think that is what has been going on for a long, long, long, time, then there really is no hope for you. Epstein? I say release the files. Show me where I've been anywhere but wanting to know the truth. Very strange that you even throw that name out there. I've seen this behavior out of you in the past, and it usually leads to you stepping away from the board for a while. Maybe it's time again. You deserve it Datt.
This is not a republican or democrat issue, it's a both issue. But you refuse to see that. You fall back to the "you blindly follow Trump" line. It's your only go to. You know what I was referring to with Iran. I've never flip flopped. Wars are a money maker. But for over 40 years, every administration has said the same thing about Iran, but it's now a problem because Trump is the one that decided to do something. Is he wrong? I don't know. Am I skeptical? Yes. Why? Because every administration has lied to us.
I’m not going to waste my time responding to the nonsense sections of your post. I’ll stick to the point above.
This is exactly what I mean when I say people comment on subjects they don’t actually understand. The claim that every president for 40 years did “basically nothing” about Iran until Trump came along is absolutely false and it reveals how little understanding you have of US foreign policy or history for that matter.
Carter dealt with the Iranian Revolution and the hostage crisis. He froze billions of dollars in Iranian assets, severed diplomatic relations with Iran, ordered a military hostage rescue attempt, and negotiated the agreement that ultimately secured the hostages’ release one minute after Reagan was sworn in.
Reagan continued sanctions, became directly involved in protecting shipping during the Iran-Iraq War, ordered Operation Praying Mantis, which crippled much of Iran’s navy, and, controversially, sold Iran a **** ton of weapons in what became known as the Iran-Contra affair.
Bush 41 attempted limited diplomatic engagement after the Iran-Iraq War while maintaining sanctions and political pressure. Although relations failed to improve significantly, his administration pursued diplomacy rather than ignoring the issue.
Clinton dramatically increased economic pressure on Iran. He imposed comprehensive trade and investment sanctions and signed legislation targeting foreign companies that invested in Iran’s energy sector, creating much of the sanctions framework that existed until Trump lifted all sanctions on Iran just last week.
Bush 43 labeled Iran part of the “Axis of Evil,” built international support for sanctions over Iran’s nuclear program, expanded covert operations against Iran’s nuclear infrastructure, and increased pressure through the United Nations. Ironically, removing Saddam Hussein also expanded Iran’s influence in Iraq. Funny how that one worked out in hindsight.
Obama combined the toughest sanctions Iran had ever faced with direct diplomacy. His administration negotiated the JCPOA, which significantly restricted Iran’s nuclear program, reduced its enriched uranium stockpile, subjected it to extensive international inspections, and extended the time it would have taken Iran to produce a nuclear weapon.
Trump, in his first term, tore up the JCPOA simply because Obama accomplished it (he’s a petty ***** at heart), and not because of what was actually in the deal. This is now an easily proven fact since Trump’s new deal is actually weaker than the JCPOA was. (Side note: this would be hilarious if it weren’t so damaging to the country.) His incompetence truly knows no bounds. That withdrawal ended U.S. participation in the nuclear deal and created the **** show we have today.
You should stick to culture war BS, @Mac9192. Anytime a conversation requires any level of critical thinking, you fall apart faster than Trump’s rotting hand.
You may be thinking of college professors and the notorious ivory tower. There is no such insulation in k-12. We are very much integrated into our broad, diverse communities. I haven't missed your point. Your point is not as compelling and universal for me as it is for you.
I stand by my reasons for believing you almost always follow our President blindly. You believe the 2020 election was fraudulent despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. You have gone rather silent on the Epstein Files after it was a major campaign promise. You have previously lauded our President for keeping us out of war and now you support the war in Iran.
Now duckey, you're trying to show how knowledgeable you are. You just don't get it. To be clear too, we only know what they want us to know. The one thing I am sure on is that everything in DC revolves around money. You don't have to be a Harvard graduate to understand this. You're just throwing around things trying to act all educated on us. It's almost admirable.
I bet you believe democrats don't lie, and the way they become wealthy is legit. It's the republicans that lie and steal. You probably have a Fauci poster in your basement, and that everything we were told about Covid by the media was true. Oh you probably think that Oswald was the lone gunman too. Talk about fairy tales.
First, I do admire you for being a teacher. Major kudos. I would have a higher opinion of you if it were not for your social/political views. You try to sell that your side is the only ones to show compassion for the poor. What a lie. We have some major differences on blame, responsibility... I'm all for helping those needing help, and I do have a soft spot . You put everyone into the victim box though. I don't see everyone as victims. Your side also has a lot of race baiters, con men, hustlers... that only show up when a problem may have happened. They wind up fanning the flames, and fattening their wallets. I never hear anything out of you guys over matters like this though. To you, it's not an issue. That's beyond head scratching.
Being silent on Epstein files? If I've missed that topic in here, I didn't mean to. I'd love to see every person that had any part in activities with minor children get nothing less than a long prison term. Party affiliation be damned.
Yes, staying out of wars is big to me. I am skeptical due to our past with intervening in foreign countries, which is why I have not been fully supportive of Trump and you know it. It's just easier for you to put me in the box you want me in so you can say "Gotcha!!" I've also said the housing bill wasn't a good look on him, but his argument was that upgrading voter laws, and making interest rates lower were more important. Is he wrong? Maybe.
My beef with you and duckey on the overall jest of things is that it's not just one side. You two don't ever criticize the Dems, but you hold the Republicans as the sole party of being evil. Both parties have been bought, and MONEY BUYS POWER. Yes, it has bought elections too.
We should know where our politicians are getting their money. They need be like NASCAR drivers doing interviews. I'd love to see a politician say "I'd like to thank Blackrock and Exxon. Without their help, I wouldn't be here."
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The only person who has accused the entire other side of being "evil to the bone" is you.
I'm not going to waste time -- again -- arguing how dreadfully wrong you are on most of that.
I'm not going to waste time -- again -- arguing how dreadfully wrong you are on most of that.
You harp when you don’t think I answer you, and then you give a weak reply back like this when I do answer.
This proves how you are. The only answer you respect is one that goes lockstep with your thinking.
This proves how you are. The only answer you respect is one that goes lockstep with your thinking.
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Does this mean both sides of the aisle will be investigated, or Trump only? Hasn't he been investigated for years by all these loons? I mean I thought we want transparency. Oh, you're only talking about Trump. What was I thinking? I forgot that according to our two resident libs, fair is a one way street.
If they start investigating ALL Politicians in DC, the place will be vacant.
If they start investigating ALL Politicians in DC, the place will be vacant.
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As always, you’re missing the point.
Congress isn’t supposed to protect the president. Its constitutional role is to provide checks and balances on the Executive Branch. When MAGA Mike openly tells Republican donors, “I run the protection program. I’ll take care of you,” that should alarm every American, even you, Mac.
And yes, transparency means investigating corruption wherever it exists. But this president, his family, and administration are not normal or run of the mill in any way whatsoever. The billions they’ve extracted at the American people’s expense prove otherwise. As we established long ago, this is by far the most corrupt president and executive branch in modern U.S. history. Literally cartoon levels of corruption.
Some questions I would like to see answered include: Who moved $180 million in oil futures minutes before the Iran announcements? Who’s been awarded government contracts because of connections to the Trump family? Where did the Social Security data go after DOGE copied it onto portable hard drives? Where are the rest of the Epstein files? Why did the Justice Department try to hide Trump’s name in the Epstein files? Who directed them to do that? How much of the $300 billion Trump is paying Iran will be earmarked for Trump family development projects? Are people paying Trump to issue presidential pardons for them or on their behalf?
Do you not want answers to those questions, @Mac9192?
Those are legitimate oversight questions, and Congress has chosen to cover them up instead of investigating them under Republican leadership. If evidence exists that Democrats committed crimes, investigate them too. No one should be above the law.
No Duckey, I'm not missing any point. I have NO problem with Trump being investigated. None. But let's not sit here and just pick on him. You've been spoon fed by the media, your teachers a few years ago... a bunch of lies, and at best, partial truths. This is nothing but a witch hunt, and any rational person knows this. They (media, power players, politicians) just don't like him. I get that. He's arrogant, and at times childish. The problem is he's just not one of them, and he messes up their cozy (slimy) way of doing things. That's a fact. Please don't confuse that by thinking I'm defending him.
I'd venture to say at least 95% of them (that's probably low) up there are on the take, bought, bribed, owned... You can get technical, throw out five dollar words, post social media "hot takes" all you want, but you just don't get it, or don't want to get it.
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You’re talking about investigations, heck just raid an ex president’s home while he and his wife are sleeping in the early am hours. Oh, that’s already been done.
It’s pretty insane that this was not a unanimous ruling given that it’s explicitly laid out in the constitution:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
A good ruling nonetheless, though. The next Democratic president needs to seriously contemplate Supreme Court reform, whether that means adding additional justices or pushing for term limits. The current version of the Court is irredeemable at this point.
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While the Wong Kim Ark case establishes over 120 years of legal precedent, it’s worth noting that the 14th Amendment had its origins rooted in citizenship for freed slaves and their children. undocumented immigrants and the citizenship status of any offspring was not on the minds of the 14th’s authors. It was written primarily to overturn Dred Scott.
Was the challenge doomed to fail? Most likely. Was it “insane” to bring it up? Not in the least.
It’s also worth noting that after Dobbs the Left proclaimed repeatedly that this Court was illegitimate and would only serve as puppets to Trump. We have plenty of evidence to refute that assertion, yet we’re still told the Court is irredeemable. Packing the Court is a horrible idea, term limits much less so imho.
While the Supreme Court has rebuked Trump on a few of his most illegal and insane actions, I think it’s fair to say they’ve also allowed him to drastically expand executive power far beyond what any president has had before. What are the ramifications of that expansion of power in the future? What happens when a president you don’t like or agree with wields that increased power? I think they’re leading us down a dark road.
As for calling them irredeemable, I would point to a few of their other rulings, like the one below, to support that statement. The limits on party spending exist to prevent wealthy donors from circumventing individual contribution caps by funneling unlimited sums through political parties on behalf of a candidate. Allowing even more billionaire money into our election process should be unpopular on both sides, no? This court, however, will always side with the money.
The motive for bringing it up was rooted in bigotry and malice.
That this Court has pleasantly surprised me periodically does not make it any less irredeemable. Justices Thomas and Alito will go down in history as among the worst, most corrupt ever, and Chief Justice Roberts' legacy will be forever tarnished.
Between the refusal to consider Judge Merrick Garland to the rush to force Judge Amy Coney Barrett through in a shorter time frame, against their own precedent, this Court is already packed and of questionable legitimacy.
I'd love to see term limits. It won't happen any time soon.
Interesting link. More and more Americans are waking up to the fact that it’s a rigged game. Especially younger ones. Most of us on this board are of the age where we could buy a decent house and still put money away for college funds. What we took for granted is out of reach for many if not most twenty and thirty somethings. This, combined with historic levels of corruption, has created a perfect storm for socialism to begin making inroads. People are desperate for relief from housing and health care costs.