UCLA, Harvard, Columbia, Cornell, where your daughters go... yeah, college kids being college kids, and in this case, dumb.
Fair enough.
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Not what I asked. Try again...
* Is there anyone you strongly disagree with whom you nevertheless consider reasonable?
* When have you ever stood up for anyone different from you?
On this board, when it comes to social or political, none of the liberals. I think your views are awful.
On the second question, Even though it's a stupid question, I'll play your silly game. Plenty of times. You don't know what I'm like in the real world. I've also explained that most everyone here has went sideways towards another poster. You just think I'm the only one. You're also not accepting any responsibility for the way you post. I'm not answering for others, but their back and forth with you suggest that I'm not sitting in that boat alone.
Now answer a question for me. Do you teach how you post on here? If so, you shouldn't be teaching.
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If Black students were being assaulted, harassed, and denied access to parts of their campus, would you be so quick to chalk up protestors’ Title 6 violations to youthful indiscretion? First you suggest that antisemitism isn’t really an issue on campuses. When presented with anecdotal evidence, you dismiss these behaviors as “rare” and “isolated”. After data is provided you pivot to “well if it is happening they’re just kids anyway”.
First denial, then minimizing, and finally rationalizion.
I've acknowledged my problematic posting, both privately with you and today, here, with @KDSTONE.
When you add "on this board," you're bad faith ducking the spirit of my question. The logical conclusion I have to draw here is that nobody with fundamental differences of belief from you is reasonable in your book. That makes you look really bad.
Saying "plenty of times" without an example doesn't mean anything. I asked because I've never seen you defend anyone who wasn't most of the demographics I've listed: white, cis, heterosexual, Christian, rural, conservative, and male. And like your opinion that no one who disagrees with you is reasonable, not being able to point to specific examples of people different from you whom you've spoken up for is what's stupid, not my question. You call my question stupid because it embarrasses you. You can't point to a single example just like you can't name a single person who is fundamentally different from you whop you think is reasonable. That makes you look uneducated, ignorant, closed-minded, with very limited experience beyond your hometown.
Your question? You asked once and I'm answering it now: no. I don't tell teenagers that what they said sounds uneducated, ignorant, closed-minded, & like they have very limited experience beyond their hometown. Of course not. But you better belief they know better than to disrespect anyone in my presence based on race, gender, religion, nationality, culture, sexual orientation, gender identity, political party, ability/disability, or immigration status. In Durham, that more often means I have to intervene on behalf of the rare conservative kid who sticks their foot in their mouth and is getting piled on. And that's how it is because announcing that your religious beliefs mean being gay is a sin in front of a gay classmate is inherently intimidating and hostile. Loudly denouncing Islam is unacceptable because it's also unacceptable to denounce Christianity, and not because it's my own faith, and not because they aren't equally protected from attack for being atheist.
Now, for conservatives, not being allowed to attack others feels like you're being oppressed because for most of this country's history, you've been allowed to shove your beliefs down others' throats, forcing them to live by your beliefs. I'm probably "woke" because I protect students from being attacked. Think about what that says about you. Think about how history is going to remember you. It's already happening.
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I'm not pivoting from anything. Both things are true. Look, antisemitism is terrible and shouldn't be tolerated or ignored. Criticism of Israel and Zionism is not inherently antisemitic and that speech must be protected just like Jewish students must be protected when criticism of Israel and Zionism does cross the line into antisemitism.
What "data" do you think you've presented? Have you given me statistics from the FBI? From nonpartisan hate group watchdogs (who the Trump Administration is also trying to prosecute)? All I've seen is you offer examples of a handful of things that all happened on college campuses. That's absolutely anecdotal until you provide the stats.
Ah... just went back and found a link you provided to ADL stats. I hadn't seen it before and I'm leaving everything I've already typed as a time capsule of where I was when I wrote it. Absolutely no denial, minimizing, or rationalization. I hadn't seen the link you posted.
Okay, @KDSTONE , that's very compelling evidence, though I do not consider ADL nonpartisan. I do like that they acknowledge that criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic. They stated that more emphatically than you tend to. They also mentioned Patriot Front and white supremacist groups... who vote Republican and whom you rarely if ever mention or acknowledge because you prefer demonizing liberal college kids.
There's a pretty clear correlation between Israel's haphazard attacks on Gaza and the rise they cite. They made the connection, as well. That doesn't excuse it, but it does connect dots. These things don't happen in a vacuum.
There's a pretty clear correlation between Israel's haphazard attacks on Gaza and the rise they cite. They made the connection, as well. That doesn't excuse it, but it does connect dots. These things don't happen in a vacuum.
Huh. Of note from SPLC...
*Candace Owens is antisemitic? I've listened to enough of her to know I don't like her, but I didn't know she's considered antisemitic.
*Tucker Carlson interviewed Nick Fuentes? And didn't call him out on his obvious antisemitism?!
*I question the exclusion of incidents that happen in private venues -- message boards were specifically mentioned.
Okay, I have a lot to learn about antisemitism still. Thank you, @KDSTONE .
*Candace Owens is antisemitic? I've listened to enough of her to know I don't like her, but I didn't know she's considered antisemitic.
*Tucker Carlson interviewed Nick Fuentes? And didn't call him out on his obvious antisemitism?!
*I question the exclusion of incidents that happen in private venues -- message boards were specifically mentioned.
Okay, I have a lot to learn about antisemitism still. Thank you, @KDSTONE .
Datt, you and I agree on almost nothing except Duke basketball. Since I don’t align with you though, I’m called a bigot, racist, or whatever word you decide to hurl my way. Taken right out of the Liberal playbook. I gladly hurl insults your way too. This isn’t one sided. You call me close minded. Crazy that I feel the exact same way about you. You just stand on your education soapbox like it makes you superior.
You want me to give you examples? Strange, but I’ll play along. Two retired principals, a retired schoolteacher (all 3 white men), and a black Vietnam veteran from Baltimore. Of course none are conservatives. We have good conversations. They don’t talk down to me like you try to, plus they listen. Believe it or not, I value what they say. The black veteran has dealt with some real stuff.
If you want me to toot my own horn some more I will. I know I’m just a small town hick to you, but I have quite a few black and hispanic customers, and many drive past competitors to deal with me. Why you ask? Because I’m honest, fair, and treat all with respect.
Hate to bust the image you have of me and where I live, cause you think everyone chews tobacco, drive pickup trucks with confederate stickers, and do meth.
Maybe that’s your bias showing up?
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Candace received the coveted Antisemite of the Year award in 2024. She traffics in the usual Jews control Hollywood and the media schtick, but what really put over the top was her assertion that Jews controlled the American slave trade.
Here’s my question. Why wouldn’t Israel be open to boots on the ground if necessary to take over the Strait or Hormuz and further weaken the IRGC? Our planes, ships, helicopters can provide cover.
Trump is a megalomaniac. He would never let another country steal his glory, especially one the size of New Jersey. It would be a bad look for the US if the IDF did its dirty work.
Like I’ve said before: even if Trump was unwilling to put boots on the ground, he should have never broadcast it. Iran knew they could just wait it out and then outfox the US at the negotiating table, both of which are playing out in real time.
An air campaign can only take you so far. Some sources estimate that Iran still has at least half their ballistic missiles.
Like others on this board, I’m beginning to worry about Trump’s mental acuity. One day, he’s claiming that their ballistic program has been completely annihilated, the next he’s saying that Iran should be able to keep some since it’s only fair since Saudi and Qatar have some. You couldn’t make this **** up.
Trump isn’t an Ego maniac is just very insecure. So he needs constant praise. It’s sad. But he’s doing a good job, and he’s 1000 times better than the Dem options were. What he is doing should’ve happened long before now.. Trump is cracking down on the corrupt NGO’s, cracking down on the corrupt big Pharma, he’s exposing the far left fake media, he is itch slapping the IRGC, which should’ve happened long before now over the past 47 years. Trump is now projecting peace through strength., yes, a very strong cabinet, they are disrupting the global oil flow that’s the British I haven’t super wealthy have used to manipulate the world for the past hundred years.
And I could go on and on and on about what Trump and his cabinet have done to improve this country and made us stronger. It’s really amazing how fast he’s turned things around for the US. But that being said, Trump is very insecure and he needs constant praise. And it’s pretty obvious that he’s finding every creative way possible to enrich his family. I think he either knew about or had a hand in what happened with Charlie Kirk’s death, and allowed that to happen, or allowed the blatant cover up, and that’s not OK. There was a huge cover up in Kirk’s death that needs to be exposed. And He’s not doing enough smart things to remove the IRGC fast enough, also the Strait needs to stay open and run by us, and the Iranian people need to have freedom.
And there is still way too much global corruption going on that needs to be stopped! so I’m not a huge Trump fan, I simply prefer him and his cabinet of strong leadership over the socialist Hate America Dems who are emerging in the Dem party. Trump and the Republicans are by far the lesser of two Evils between the two Parties. But that doesn’t make him a great person, he’s corrupt too. But I much prefer him over the Dems.
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You can stop right there. Your appearing to be exactly those things -- legitimately -- is part of how we don't align. You're not rattling me so that I grasp hold of any insult I can like a life preserver. When I have accused you of those things, it's because the evidence of them preceded it. I hurl nothing. I tend the stove carefully, then serve it up on fine china placed in front of you after time and care, plated meticulously, after explaining what I'm serving from farm-to-fork. Eat your vegetables.
No, all those things are your insecurities showing up. You're again projecting, claiming I'm making random assumptions about you when I'm very thoroughly explaining how I'm following the evidence. In that post you quoted, I was even particularly careful to tell you what it made you look like, not tell you that's what you are. That such nuances are lost on you is just further validation of what I said.
And holy mackerel, none of those examples is the flex you think it is. They're basically the same as "I have a Black friend," or "I don't see color," or "I treat everybody the same [one-on-one, face-to-face, during controlled contexts, while ignoring systemic issues]."
Everything I’ve accused you of is exactly the truth. You have been a good student (sheep) by knowing the Liberal playbook cover to cover. Like “being a liberal 101, which states when you can’t beat them on issue, hurl insults.
Keep up the good work Datt.
“Or had a hand in what happened with Charlie Kirk’s death”.
I’ll probably regret this, but could you elaborate?
Charlie Kirk’s death and the way it all happened made zero sense. The way it was investigated in such a sloppy way, and nothing added up, suggests that those at the highest levels had some idea what happened, but the public story is not accurate. I think Trump and others at the highest levels know what happened, but the story that the public got, isn’t accurate. I’m not saying they killed him. Because I have no idea? But the story the public was sold has a ton of holes in it. Soon after Kirk’s death I recall Trump said something most people never say. He said ‘I doubt I’ll go to Heavenl. I dont think I will get to Heaven.” Who says that? A few weeks or a month or so after Kirk’s death. Kirk was killed sept 10th, and trumps Heaven comment was Oct 25th I think...
'I'm not sure I'm going to be able to make heaven,' Trump tells press on Air Force One
President Donald Trump got contemplative about the afterlife at the end of a press gaggle aboard Air Force One on Sunday.
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lol Because you say so? I bring receipts for what I say and I bring receipts when I dissect your canned talking points. Try me. And try getting back to whatever you claim the issue is.
The old “I bring receipts” line. Gotcha. I’ll say this again Datt, and type slower so you will maybe get it. What’s so hard to understand about you and I agreeing on hardly nothing socially or politically? Because you say something, it’s true, but when I do it, I’m close minded, racists, a bigot…. Make that make sense. Oh silly me, it’s because you’re more educated than I am. What was I thinking??
By the way, that was a nice image of you serving me vegetables on fine china. My butler wears a nice outfit. Don’t worry though, I know where to put the napkin.
False equivalence. I am more educated, yes. For all we know, you have a higher IQ, for whatever that's worth. But it is education that has developed my superior skill at connecting dots, backing up what I say, vetting sources, writing articulately, etc. I don't just say something is true. I support it. You don't. You can't.
Now... what issue are you claiming we've gotten away from? Feel free to get us back on track.
You guys have won this battle, now let’s get back to the topic at hand. Ghost is smart, and Mac is also wise. Like a Jedi.
The one thing you do well is write. Your grammar is usually good, until you mock someone. Seriously Datt, you can't be saying you vett your sources, and only say things that are true with a straight face. I'm trying hard to not call you a liar, but this sure ain't true.
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I vet my sources. I have a sound, logical rationale for things I believe to be true.
What was that topic you were so concerned about getting away from again? Third ask.
What was that topic you were so concerned about getting away from again? Third ask.
Saying you vet your sources is nothing short of a joke. I feel your views are that of a nut job. They’re based 95% on emotion, which is unwritten, but in the Liberal playbook.
Who knows the topic anymore. I think it started somewhat on billionaires. But went sideways when personal jabs came out. Like you saying I simp for them, or me responding back calling you weak, heck I’m not sure.
It’s a shame you didn’t learn anything from the clown show we lived through from 21-25. You just dig in deeper.
“Now Datt, eat your green beans.” “No, they’re nasty.”
Who knows the topic anymore. I think it started somewhat on billionaires. But went sideways when personal jabs came out. Like you saying I simp for them, or me responding back calling you weak, heck I’m not sure.
It’s a shame you didn’t learn anything from the clown show we lived through from 21-25. You just dig in deeper.
“Now Datt, eat your green beans.” “No, they’re nasty.”
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Next time there's an opportunity, I'll walk you through my process for vetting sources.
President Biden's health obviously took a downward turn during his term in office. The transition to VP Harris' candidacy was sloppy and less than ideal. They gaslit us about how well the economy was doing based on the stock market, which was out of touch. Worldwide inflation was out of (our) control. Immigration was handled poorly, if at all.
I have lots of positive things I could say which show how little of a clown show it was compared to now, but you would deny every single thing and insult me, so I will leave it at a relatively short list of things I acknowledge were bad and stating that the current clown show has already surpassed that of the previous administration. And right now -- June of 2026 -- President Biden demonstrates better mental acuity and level-headedness than President Trump.
If Cbs’ new ownership is trying to “appease” Trump, seems like a strange story to break. I guess maybe they’re not completely bought and paid for after all.
Of course, it could be argued that once the scale of corruption reaches this level, it’s too big for either side to ignore. Except for Fox News. Looks like they’ve chosen to go down with the ship.
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IMO, the Ellisons, like many of our oligarchs, only care about money at the end of the day. They don’t have set principles or dogmas that guide their actions. To secure their merger, they killed CBS News to appease Trump, and he gave them exactly what they wanted as a result. But his power is waning now. He’s a lame duck, and that reality finally seems to be setting in. The Senate just voted against his war powers yesterday. That was unthinkable a year ago.
CBS is hemorrhaging viewers across the board. How long will they let that happen? 60 Minutes was the highest-rated news show in the country, and they allowed Bari Weiss to kill it. Now, as a result, even their morning show ratings have drastically fallen off. With that in mind, they either adjust and start actually reporting the news again, or they destroy any remaining value the asset had. I think they choose the option that ultimately puts more money in their pockets.
Despite their pivot to Fox News-style talking points, they were never going to attract those viewers because Fox and the right have spent decades conditioning their viewers to see all other news sources as “fake news.” See this thread as evidence of how successful that campaign has been.
The pendulum is swinging hard against Trumpism and the right. I would expect all of these oligarchs to start pivoting to what comes next in order to avoid the next administration holding them responsible for the damage they’ve caused in service to Trump. The days of everyone sucking up to the old man are coming to an end.
Viewers fled because they can’t bear to hear anything that conflicts with their existing world view. Or even more likely, they never watched at all once the new ownership took over. 60 minutes may have had great ratings, but it’s hardly been the impartial arbiter of truth lately you present here.
If you’ve ever needed evidence of how little Trump cares about the issues that impact everyday, normal Americans, look no further. Trump refuses to sign a bipartisan housing bill because he’s butt-hurt that his SAVE Act is never going to pass.
“The housing bill aims to lower housing costs, in part by building more homes and restricting large investors from buying up single-family homes. It gives Republicans a major legislative accomplishment to point to as voters rank the cost of living as a top issue in the November elections. It’s the kind of thing Republicans have been clamoring for amid worries that the Iran war driving up gas prices will cost them control of Congress.”
Republicans have nothing to run on in November. They’ve passed no laws, and they had planned to run on passing the Big, Beautiful Bill, but Trump’s war in Iran and the inflation it caused ate up any additional money Americans received on their tax returns. Passing this housing bill has now taken center stage so they at least have something to point to when making their case to the American people.
And Trump won’t even give them that to run on. You’re watching an amazing self-own in real time here. Republican politicians should take note: loyalty to Trump gets you nothing in the end. He’ll just cast you aside like he did all the people who voted for him. He’ll only pursue issues and legislation that benefits either himself, his family, or the billionaires he represents.
I think one of Trump's greatest accomplishments may be making many Americans aware to just how corrupt the media has been. Most level headed people have known they're bought off, and spew mostly lies. There was a large group though that believed the lies they were told. Covid stirred a lot of people up. They realized it just wasn't adding up. But to bring it up for the 10th or so time, the dagger was the infamous debate of 25. So many more people witnessed that, and finally saw just how dishonest the media has been. These same people looked back on a large group of people that had been complaining about Biden's health for years but had been ridiculed, mocked... for doing so. And they said "wait a minute here, these people were right! The media has been lying to us!! The election of 24 then became TOO BIG TO RIG.
Datt still doesn't believe it, nor does he want to. That would mean he'd have to admit he's been lied to, but most importantly, that he's been wrong. In his defense, who wants to admit they've been believing lies for decades?
Trump has plenty of flaws, but I'm so thankful Harris didn't win. We all should be.
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People on both sides are okay with lies, as long as they’re the right lies. One of the most damaging things about both sides of the political spectrum vis a vis the news now is not just the lies but the stories the outlets refuse to cover. CNN with Biden’s declining mental state, Fox News with Trump’s corruption, the Left canonizing Fauci, it’s endless. Most of America receives a propagandized Tik Tok version of the news if you can even call it that.
Agree. You watch CNN, Trump is evil. You watch Fox News, Trump almost walks on water.
It's not a good look, yeah. I read a piece by ABC where Trump refused to sign it because he wants the SAVE America Act to pass first. It would require photo I.D. and proof of citizenship to vote. Not sure why anyone would reject that, but the Democrats did. Trump today also said the housing reform bill is of "minor importance" compared to lower interest rates. Well we all know why Democrats don't want photo I.D. or proof of citizenship. It's that "gotta have those votes," even if they aren't legal.
The nerve of someone to only want citizens of America to vote.
It makes sense that without voter ID there could be and would be massive voter fraud. Despite that, it’s never been proven as widespread, and even more than that, voter fraud is not even on the radar for most voters. Affordability is the number 1 issue. Trump bungled another kitchen table issue people actually care about in pursuit of a straw man most Americans couldn’t give two ***** about. Like you, I’m skeptical as to Dems’ true motives in being so deadset against voter ID, but this Save Act is not a hill worth dying on imho.
Fraud in elections is hard to prove, yeah. But it’s been set up to where it can’t be proven. I agree with Trump that measures need to be put in place, but I also say him refusing to sign the housing reform bill isn’t a good look for him. I feel for our young adults looking to buy a house. They’re screwed.
I don’t think there’s any doubt about why the Dems are against photo I.D and proof of citizenship.
I never said you were right. Pretty recently I explained to you that it is your hyperbole and extremism I push back on.
It takes elections out of states' hands and puts it all in the control of the federal government. Plenty of GOP Senators from states with Voter ID laws will not support the SAVE Act because it's unconstitutional for the federal govt to impose it.
You are absolutely sure why so many people reject it because you've been told repeatedly: disproportionate number of citizens who are historically Democratic voters who don't have ID, inequitable access to ID. NC's old ID law was struck down for deliberately targeting Black voters. The state GOP, led by Dallas Woodhouse, didn't even deny it. They said it wasn't racist to target Black voters and make it harder for them to vote; they said it was smart.
Nobody wants noncitizens voting, and they aren't. There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. Hearsay, sure. Conspiracy theories, of course. No proof. A handful of convictions across the entire country each election. Put them all in one state and multiply them times 10. 20. Not one electoral vote would change hands... with the possible exception of that 1 vote for that 1 district in Nebraska and that one in Maine.
How are Republicans already winning anything without the SAVE Act?