It's nice to see instant replay in soccer is just as stupid as it is in college football
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Oh yeah, that the was enough? I mean, its the rules, but come on.
I heard somewhere that FIFA was changing that rule. Its now "no part of the body can be offsides", hence that toe issue.
I heard they were changing it to "as long as one part of the body is onsides". Obviously isn't in effect this World Cup.
I heard somewhere that FIFA was changing that rule. Its now "no part of the body can be offsides", hence that toe issue.
I heard they were changing it to "as long as one part of the body is onsides". Obviously isn't in effect this World Cup.
Yeah, it's the whole "letter of the law, spirit of the law".
He was offside by the letter of the law, but he was not doing what the offside penalty is intended to prevent.
I've always been in the "the game is played in live speed so call it in live speed" camp. When you need ultra slow motion with multiple angles to make the call, that's absurd to me.
In your example, I'm not even sure that slow motion or a still photo reveals the violation. Not until that computer-generated blue line is created can anyone tell for sure that his toe is behind the defender. Instant replay is likely here to stay, but sports governing bodies should do away with the computer generated lines and boxes. If slowing it down doesn't provide enough evidence for a human to overturn the call, then the original call should stand.
They way I heard it was that the change could be in line with what is done in hockey. To be offsides in hockey, it requires the entire body to be offsides for the violation to be whistled. In reality, it would seem a fairer way of calling it.
That makes a lot more sense. As I understand it, the player in this case only ended up being offside b/c the goalie ran unusually far forward at the last second
It's not relative to the goalie. It is dependent on the last defender of the opposition.
Last two defenders? One of which is almost always the goalie, but in this case it wasn't.
Explained here why the goalie's change in position was the main factor:
"In this particular case, Khalilzadeh was ruled offside because goalkeeper Mostafa Shobeir had come to punch clear a ball into the penalty area and failed. And in the process, he moved off his line far enough that he accounted for neither of the last two defenders.
As a result, when Khalilzadeh received the ball, he was technically behind the second-to-last defender, even though you can tell watching replays that he was using the deepest non-goalkeeper as his reference point for staying inside."
Iran’s World Cup Elimination Shows Offside Law Must Change
The biggest single culprit in Iran’s failure to advance to the knockout phase is a weird idiosyncracy to the offside law that has long outlived its usefulness.
www.forbes.com
No, your entire body does not need to be past the blue line; an offside call is determined almost entirely by the positioning of your skates.
You cannot be behind the last defender or the goal tender. If the goal tender steps up to punch the ball and misses and you are behind him you are offsides regardless if there is a defender between you and the goal. Is that still based off of where you were when the ball was kicked?
All I know is that I've been very loosely following soccer scores for like 2 weeks now, so I'm basically a soccer rules expert.
Yes.
And technically you cant be behind the final two defenders. The goalie is just usually one of them.
Spend the night at a Holiday Inn and you may have something there.
So, the goalie could run out into the field and force an offensive player to be offsides if that offensive player had gotten behind the last defender before the goalie?
If true, soccer is a worse sport than I thought it was and I didn't think that was possible.
I want to say yes, but "it's complicated".
When your teammate on offense kicks the ball to you, there has to be two players between you and the goal. (Or you can be even with them). Usually, like 99.9% of the time, the goalie is one of them. Some odd times the goalie does come out though. So it would need to be just the last two players.
And yes, the defense can "trap" you. On free kicks (after a foul) you'll see the teams line up. Sometimes the defense steps forward at the kick, leaving the offensive players behind them and offsides. Its risky, because if its not called, you just gave the offense an open shot on the goal.
We used to call it cherry picking in basketball. Where you stood under the opposing teams goal, not playing defense, and just waited for your team to get the ball and throw it to you. This rule was meant to stop that in soccer.
Sure he can. But just about anyone on the other team can boot the ball the entire distance of the field and score if the goal tender is too far up. So naturally the goal tender stays back. The Ivory Coast goal tender participated in the corner the other night in extra time. I've never seen that before, but it makes sense. They were going to blow the FT whistle if IC didn't score or lost possession anyway.