The Communist and Islamic Socialist Red/Green Alliance will grow more impatient because things are not moving fast enough for them. They will become more violent. That will be their downfall. That **** isn't going to fly in the United States of America. Until then they are conquering the Democrat Party. That's not the win they think it is.
Donny thinks the Iranians should have missiles and BILLIONS of dollars, too. It’s only fair. LMAO 🤣
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The Communist and Islamic Socialist Red/Green Alliance will grow more impatient because things are not moving fast enough for them. They will become more violent. That will be their downfall. That **** isn't going to fly in the United States of America. Until then they are conquering the Democrat Party. That's not the win they think it is.
I didn't say I support anything. Try to have a discussion without arguing against what you preferred I said. I am simply opposed to giving out our taxpayer money to Iran and almost anyone almost anyone else. Particularly not a country, Ukraine, who the sheep in this country were easily manipulated to believe that spending was absolutely necessary to protect us from the boogeyman so their Messiah and his cronies could steal millions of it for themselves.
If a family is having a hard time paying their mortgage and bills because they are up to their eyeballs in debt, the last thing they should do is donate to charity.
Yep. Now that you learned we aren't giving Iran US money, they focus of your whining has shifted to the military expense.
Pretty soon he will recycle to the Maryland Dad.
I forgot. You can't read. Continue with your Marxist drum beating.Oh, now missiles are ok. Got it.Just trying to keep up with the ever changing MAG(ullible)A landscape.
Missiles, Billions of Dollars,Lifting of the Oil Embargo. Iran
couldn’t be happier. Well done Donny. You showed them who’s boss.
For Cheers and maybe he can figure it out that liberals are not for a free America.
As soon as they sign this thing on Friday, they can start selling, and that is their main money maker. There's also a lot of talk about this $300 billion fund that they may soon have access to. Nobody is disputing that that is a thing. The main point of contention is, President Trump wants people to know it's not a thing paid for by U.S. taxpayers.
Vice President JD Vance from earlier in the day, saying, "And one of the questions I'm most often asked is, well, how is this different from the Obama JCPOA? And there are all of these answers I could give. Number one, we're not giving them a red cent of American money — not $300 billion, not $24 billion, not any of the money, the dollar figures that I've seen floating around."
"We can talk about the Iran deal all day long, and we're not investing any money. We have the right to do what we want, but we're not investing in anybody. We didn't pay for it like Obama did. He paid billions of dollars. He paid $1.7 billion from an airplane, all green cash. The one thing that's happening that's of note — frankly, the only thing that really matters to me — is Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. And it says it loud and clear," Trump said in a clip from the G7.
Doocy concluded his report, "This memo of understanding is now being described as conceptual and as a very general document. And so when officials say we have to wait for the details, it is possible that we have to wait on the details because nobody has figured out the details."
As soon as they sign this thing on Friday, they can start selling, and that is their main money maker. There's also a lot of talk about this $300 billion fund that they may soon have access to. Nobody is disputing that that is a thing. The main point of contention is, President Trump wants people to know it's not a thing paid for by U.S. taxpayers.
Vice President JD Vance from earlier in the day, saying, "And one of the questions I'm most often asked is, well, how is this different from the Obama JCPOA? And there are all of these answers I could give. Number one, we're not giving them a red cent of American money — not $300 billion, not $24 billion, not any of the money, the dollar figures that I've seen floating around."
"We can talk about the Iran deal all day long, and we're not investing any money. We have the right to do what we want, but we're not investing in anybody. We didn't pay for it like Obama did. He paid billions of dollars. He paid $1.7 billion from an airplane, all green cash. The one thing that's happening that's of note — frankly, the only thing that really matters to me — is Iran will never have a nuclear weapon. And it says it loud and clear," Trump said in a clip from the G7.
Doocy concluded his report, "This memo of understanding is now being described as conceptual and as a very general document. And so when officials say we have to wait for the details, it is possible that we have to wait on the details because nobody has figured out the details."
NOW: Sec. Scott Bessent reveals US Treasury will FORCE any released Iranian assets into buying American food and medicine to benefit the Iranian people "We will be recycling the money BACK into US products!"
Ok, just to be clear, you are opposed to giving out US taxpayer money to anyone or any country. Regardless of our relationship with that country. However, is it fair to say you are “indifferent” to giving out other countries money to whomever, including a terrorist country like Iran? I’m just trying to understand your position. And if so, then you are “indifferent” to Obama providing Iran with $1.7B of their own money? Did I capture that correctly? And please don’t accuse me of misinterpreting yours and others words. Making logic out of the lunacy I read on this forum daily is nearly impossible.
The IRGC lost and as long as Democrats are not in power they will continue to lose.
How excited are you this has been happening?
We might even be able to save programs for Americans that truly need them at this rate.
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Serious question, Gunny. Why do you hang out here day after day after day just to post this MAGA propaganda? I’m being serious. Do you have nothing else going on in your life? You, and a couple others, spend HOURS each day posting MAGA propaganda as if you were on the MAGA payroll. There must be something else in your life that brings you joy other than hanging out in your parent’s basement posting political BS.
Why are you here? Rhetorical Question. Should I go in detail and explain it to everyone else why you keep posting Anti-American Propaganda?
I earned my retirement and money. So have you considered it's none of your business how I spend my time? Spoiler Alert though. It wasn't spreading Putin, China, Islamic Socialist, DSA, and Antifa Propaganda.
You continuing to do that on a WVU site where Trump got 70% of the vote and WV being a very patriotic State seems like something a loser would do. Horrible business model too.
Nihilistic retarded behavior is what I have witnessed from you. It's actually kind of sad.
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You are an idiot.....Donny could have destroyed the Iranian infrastructure in a couple days if he wanted....he chose something different.
Why are you sooooo against anything Trump does ? I have NEVER seen such hate as you display on a regular basis against anything Republican and Conservative.
Did you learn this from you parents ......were they from the old "a vote for a pint "days of WV democrats.
Meanwhile....congrats on getting your socialist/communist pals elected in several races around the Country....especially your nazi buddy up in Maine.
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It proves they don’t actually care about Iran as a terrorist threat. Giving them $300B, regardless where it comes from, unfreezing all their assets on top of their continued leverage of the strait will only strengthen Iran in the long run. Framing this as a win for Trump is more important.
You are not trying to understand my position. This is the second time in this thread you have pretended to restate what I said but changed it. For example, I said this:
Compare that to your reply and the changes you made to my statement (again):
That's not what I said. In fact, I am not sure how I could have made it any clearer. Once again, you are arguing against a point that I didn't even make.
Why not? You have done it in 2 consecutive responses. Perhaps others' points would make sense to you if you acknowledge what they said instead of arguing the point you had wished they said.
Lunacy indeed.
He tried the same trick with me a few weeks ago, arguing I changed something he said when I quoted him directly. That slime ball went back and changed his original comment (which of course was still in my quote of what he had said) and then had the nerve to suggest I changed his post to make my point!
You can't debate with someone who's that dishonest, so I stopped posting him.
Serious answer. I come here every day to read what Gunny posts to find out what is happening in our government. He does the research that I don't want to do. I really appreciate everything he does for this board.
Fair enough. Since we are going round and round on this one issue, I will be more direct. How do you feel about Donny or anyone else giving Non-US dollars to Iran?
And in fairness to ME, I did say:
“However, is it fair to say you are “indifferent” to giving out other countries money to whomever, including a terrorist country like Iran? I’m just trying to understand your position.”
All that was required from you was a Yes or No. So hopefully the direct approach is clear enough. The ball is in your court. I’m interested to hear your answer.
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Your characterizations are so off, it’s wholly inaccurate portrayal of the situation and makes it difficult to respond to.
first, the US President is not obligating funds of other nations to Iran. There is a pathway, that we’re allowing, provided certain conditions are met, for other nations to invest in Iran’s infrastructural rebuild. Presumably, this path would be oil for dollars. No one is just giving them $300B. If that’s what you believe, we’re pretty far apart on being able to rationally discuss anything. It’s a narrative from the neocons and left who are wanting a long and protracted conflict. The neocons want it, for obvious reasons. The left wants it because it was their playbook for Iraq and Bush in 06 when they regained the house. They want to beat on him for an endless war, which they already started, and now look like fools for.
You can claim the money Obama gave them was theirs all day long. The money they received funneled directly into terrorist activity. There were zero guardrails established by the Obama admin on those funds. Period. It was trash.
You’ve made a bunch of crazy claims about the Straight. First, it was threatened to be shutdown by Iran and they could’ve for a short period of time. We had, and I know this for a fact, many military options at the ready for re-opening the straight in the event they did. I’ll leave it at that, but we could’ve forced the free flow of traffic. Trump ultimately chose the wisest path against the advice of a lot of people by electing to shut the straight down further upstream with a blockade. Not only did this affect Iran financially, it took away their one remaining capability.
You’ve made claims about our CENTCOM locations being rendered useless. 5th Fleet HQ was damaged, we all know that. It wasn’t a nerve cell and that it shut down didn’t impact anything. What it did do was remove target pieces off the board from Iran gunsights. As for the rest of the bases in the ME, a couple took some beatings, but they remained operational and at the ready. A couple of the smaller ones were part of a very well known phase down starting when Trump took office.
You’re spewing low info talking points, and I’ve largely remained silent on it because it amuses me to read it. But, it reached a point in time to remind again how little you actually know.
JUST IN: President Trump just CONFIRMED he's ordered a MAJOR DOJ investigation into oil companies for price gouging Americans at the pump ExxonMobil, Chevron, Shell, BP, and more. "The oil companies are possibly gouging. I hope they're not. Otherwise they're going to be in BIG trouble." "We should be in my opinion at $2.25 right now at the pump, and we're higher than that. And we are doing a big investigation on it." Oil prices tanked, but so far, gas prices have not dropped proportionately.
Directly from the 14-point Agreement:
6 — The United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive, mutually agreed plan with at least USD 300 billion for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The mechanism for the implementation of this plan will be finalized as part of a final deal within 60 days. All required licenses, waivers and permissions needed for the relevant financial transactions will be granted by the United States of America.
7 — The United States of America undertakes to terminate all types of sanctions against the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the United Nations Security Council resolutions, IAEA Board of Governors resolutions, and all unilateral US sanctions, primary and secondary, in an agreed upon schedule as part of the final deal. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America acknowledge the critical importance of the sanctions termination issue above mentioned, and expressed their intentions to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them.
10 — The United States of America undertakes that immediately upon the signing of this MOU and until the termination of sanctions, US Department of Treasury will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products and derivatives, and all associated services, including banking transactions, insurances, transportation, etc.
11 — The United States of America undertakes to make fully available for use the frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran upon the implementation of this MOU. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will mutually agree on the procedures related to the release of these funds during negotiations. Such funds, whether retained in the original account or transferred, shall be made fully usable for payment to any ultimate beneficiary designated by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America undertakes to issue all necessary licenses and authorizations accordingly.
Sure sounds like they will have not only access to $300B, but also much, much more. Up to this point, the oil embargo, sanctions and other isolation practices were crippling the Iranian economy and government. The country was in turmoil. Increasing inspections was certainly warranted, but we certainly were hurting them economically with the embargo and sanctions. Iran was a country on life support. Not anymore, of course, because we have agreed to a deal, at least in principle, that will rebuild the country and then some, creating a terrorist economic Super Power. Congratulations.
Now here’s the Obama plan:
The "Obama Iran deal" refers to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), a landmark 2015 agreement between Iran and the P5+1 world powers (US, UK, France, China, Russia, plus Germany). It restricted Iran’s nuclear program in exchange for international sanctions relief. [1, 2, 3]
The deal's primary mechanisms and history include:
- Nuclear Limits: Iran agreed to cap its enriched uranium stockpile, reduce its centrifuges by roughly two-thirds, and redesign its nuclear facilities. It aimed to extend Iran's "breakout time" (the time required to produce enough fissile material for one nuclear weapon) from a few months to at least a year. [1, 2, 3]
- Inspections: The JCPOA included the most intrusive monitoring and inspection protocols ever negotiated by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). [1, 2]
- US Withdrawal: The United States unilaterally withdrew from the deal in 2018 under the Trump administration, prompting Iran to eventually abandon its nuclear limits. [1, 2]
- Financial Settlements: The Obama administration's handling of the deal was closely tied to a $1.7 billion settlement to resolve a decades-old arbitration claim, with an initial $400 million paid concurrently with the release of American detainees in 2016. [1, 2]
Now explain to me how are better off today? And I NEVER mentioned CENTCOM. You just made that up. AND…. when I asked you that if Iran’s military was completely obliterated, (Donny’s words/lies) I asked that “if” that were true, (it’s not), how are they able to keep the Straight closed. And YOU said that they still had drones, mines, and missiles. And I’m thinking, how is it possible that the GREATEST military super power is held at bay by drones, mines, and missiles. THAT is not logical.
- And lastly, no disrespect, but please forgive me if I don’t believe you that you have some “inside” information. Lol And why have you been holding back on that little tidbit? Because it’s total BS and you know it.
Continue on in ignorance, it’s fine with me. You have a completely inaccurate narrative in your head with extremely limited understanding of the tactical picture. Are you Dunning or Kruger?
Ignorance? I pasted the 14 points EXACTLY as written. You have no rebuttal so you simply insult me. That’s the MAGA way. Honestly, I expected more from you. Overall you appear to be a cut above the other brainwashed crazies that inhabit this forum. I’m not giving up on you. Eventually you’ll realize that Donny has been a DISASTER for this country and is now losing his faculties. His latest tantrum and refusal to sign the bi-partisan housing bill (a bill he previously supported) unless his voter id legislation was included, is just a total ***** move. If he doesn’t sign, no big deal. It will become law in 10 days regardless. Just another example how Donny only cares about Donny and his uber wealthy family and friends. He doesn’t give two ***** about you or anyone else. You’ll eventually realize the damage he’s caused to this great country. I still believe in you, DD. Keep the faith. And please keep me posted on your “secret” informant.
No original source. So nobody believes you. Second. The MOU is simple. So I will summarize it for you. The IRGC and Mullahs will put the lotion in the basket or it will get the hose.
Most importantly Obama and Biden allowed Iran to get to 60 % enrichment.
You can be STFU now. As you continue to complain about stuff you don't understand. As long as Trump, Vance, and Rubio are in charge Iran will have to behave. If not then there will be consequences and Trump has options. He can flexible. We get you want Iraq 2.0 but that's not happening nor does it need to in able to accomplish our goals.
I don't like the US giving money to Iran. I don't know what to think of other countries giving their money to Iran. I would need to see at least some the terms of any such deal before I cast my opinion.
Cheaper than before the bombing started. Hence why price gouging is being looked at by the DOJ.
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That was after Trump scrapped the JCPOA, no? That agreement was based around 3.6% enrichment but after the deal collapsed Iran increased it in response. Not sure how that’s Obama or Biden’s fault.
You have strong opinions about everything else, regardless of details and facts, yet suddenly, on this issue, you need more details to form an opinion. I’m sure you have ALL the MAGA details about the Obama payment. What a lame *** answer and you know it. What a joke.
I get it. You are too stupid to understand Obama actually wanted them to have nukes. Hence why he went out of his way to assist them.
No original source? Those points were pulled DIRECTLY from the 14-point framework of the MOU. lol I guess if it didn’t come from the Propaganda Prince himself, it’s not a real source. As I’ve said many times, you can’t make logic out of lunacy. And one day, when everything falls apart due to the actions and policies of this administration, you and your MAGA troglodytes will have your pointer fingers ready to point fingers and blame the Democrats. That’s the Teflon Donny Trump way. Please continue to spew your hatred and ill informed opinions throughout this forum and elsewhere.
Please continue to spew your hatred and ill informed opinions throughout this forum and elsewhere.
You ride a bicycle everywhere so not sure why you are even complaining about oil not going over 200 dollars a barrel and Trump accomplishing what he has. I understand you are more upset China will have to pay full price going forward instead of taking advantage of Venezuela and Iran but you and your comrades will get over it.
You don't have any opinions on how to fix anything. Just like the rest of your DSA Comrades. Complain and demand free stuff. Give us some solutions or be quiet.
Then post it from an official original source. I could go search older threads during the Biden Administration where I explained to you what was going to happen with Venezuela and Iran once Trump got back in office if you need me too. You are not providing anything that assists people to understand the big picture of what's happening globally and how it will will affect their lives as Trump deals with the problems created decades ago and were allowed to continue unchecked.
Vance and Rubio will have to continue Trump's work after 2028. That's what happens when you allow Drug Cartels, Russia, CCP, IRGC and it's proxies to do what it wants without pushing back.
Just say thank you President Trump and go cry it out. It's going to be a rough couple of years for the Red/Green Alliance.