Ready to fill your car with Iranian gas this summer?

bdgan

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This conservative agrees with almost every one of your points.

What I would quibble with is what constitutes “merit-based immigration”? IMO, your first bulleted point was the most pressing issue. We absolutely had to get control of our borders. We absolutely have to know who is coming into our country. Have to. Kudos to Trump for that.

With that said, America needs cheap labor. That’s just reality. Many people from Latin America are hardworking people willing to take sh*t jobs for little pay. And I am okay with that, because those hardworking people will be afforded the opportunity to move up from sh*t jobs based on the merits of their work ethic and ambitions. So, you will have to clarify for me what you mean by “merit-based.”

I also agree someone who by random circumstance or chance just happens to be born here shouldn’t automatically be given citizenship. That clearly was not the intention behind the 14th amendment. With that said, trying to tweak any constitutional amendment willy nilly or attempting to deep-six one completely via an EO is breathtakingly stupid. Just so we’re clear on that.
If we need more people to pick apples and clean hotel rooms congress can vote on what the correct number should be. But that doesn't mean it's OK to bring the rest of the family. IMO accepting people based on what we need can fall under merit.
 

fatpiggy

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This conservative:
  • Supports strong border enforcement
  • Supports legal immigration
  • Supports ICE physically removing illegals who have committed other crimes
  • Does not support physical removal of illegals who haven't committed crimes
  • Supports a strong e-verify system with severe penalties for violators
  • Believes in merit based immigration, not chain migration.
  • Opposes anchor babies being citizens and allowing parents to stay because their baby is a citizen.
  • Wants to completely eliminate benefits for illegals. If they can't work and they can't obtain benefits they will self deport.
I agree with most everything, but I do think you have to remove illegals or else that just encourages Democrats leave the door open again.
 

Anon1750875978

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And yet, you eat the food they pick, stay in the hotels they service, and clean your homes. 500k of illegals work in California. Lmao. All of Mississippi has at most, 27k. Study up pup.
Who are you arguing with????

And for reference, because of our declining education scores, rural economic stress, declining environmental conditions...we refer to Iowa as Mississippi North.
 

RagnarLothbrok

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RagnarLothbrok

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View attachment 1339298

"Most american refineries are tailored for different types of crude"

You are offering a fantastic example of how people use AI to not fully answer questions. Yes, it is possible to refine Iranian fuel, but not at any scale that is useful/economically efficient compared to other options. Your lack of understanding the landscape has blinded you to the full story. It's not the AI's fault for not fully explaining your inquiry. Garbage in/garbage out and all that..

Take the L, rags. This is only going to get worse for you.
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(Sigh)

1. I already established the US does not directly import Iranian oil.

2. I already stated in a previous post I know jack sh*t about the actual refinery process. For the purposes of our discussion, I don’t need to.

3. You and the other guy can duke it out over how well Iranian crude oil can be refined here. I posted the quick Google search to demonstrate it can be done. Again, for the purposes of our discussion, none of this is relevant.


What’s going to get worse for me, ol’ chap? You want to have an actual discussion on Iran or pivot to irrelevant wedge issues like the one you are trying to keep the focus on now? If it’s the latter, I am not interested. The topic is trivial, I know nothing about it, and it has no relevant bearing on the actual issues.
 

RagnarLothbrok

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If we need more people to pick apples and clean hotel rooms congress can vote on what the correct number should be. But that doesn't mean it's OK to bring the rest of the family. IMO accepting people based on what we need can fall under merit.
Fair.

Also, I assume you mean extended family, correct?
 

Riveting

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I took the headline in the OP to be facetious, but okay. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and attempt honest dialogue with you.
Given the OP, I thought he was being serious - ending as he did with "I hope America likes losing. Because paying for the privilege of buying Iranian gasoline is just the start."

He didn't respond to say he was being facetious. Why would you assume or pretend that he was?

I will start with some Q&A and depending how you answer will determine if the conversation continues.
You are really putting pressure on me. Hope I can withstand it.

Since the United States directly imported almost no oil from Iran even prior to the war, why did gas prices shoot up like they did? (Yes, I know the answer already. Will you be honest is the question.)
Oil is fungible.

Did oil from Iran indirectly make it to the United States even during decades of sanctions and embargoes? Yes or no.
Probably. Look it up and report back.

Will this current Trump peace plan allowing Iran to benefit handsomely from distribution of its oil and allowance to deal in US currency make Iran significantly stronger? Yes or no.
Too soon to say. Their military assets and economy have been so crushed I don't know (nor do you) if it will "significantly" strengthen Iran. I doubt it.

Once this 60-day suspension of sanctions passes, what do you predict will happen if the United States goes back to sanctioning Iranian oil? Do you believe Iran will respond by being grateful for the 60-day reprieve, let bygones be bygones, and keep the Strait of Hormuz open and toll-free, or is it more likely Iran will respond in lockstep with the US and feel emboldened to do whatever the f#ck they want with Hormuz because they know President TACO will eventually acquiesce?
In your hypothetical, I think Trump will bide his time and bomb the crap out of them shortly after the midterms. Or he may opt to bomb the coastal areas around the strait as he did recently, which prompted them to suddenly want an MOU.


If we are all being perfectly honest here, if Obama, Biden, or Kamala led us into an idiotic war with Iran and this peace deal was the outcome, nearly everyone on this board (including most liberals), would be shaking their heads and calling any of those three not only complete dumbasses but strong language such as treasonous would probably get tossed around as well.

Get it?
If you were being "perfectly honest" here, you wouldn't put forth such an absurd hypothetical to imagine appeasement dems would take strong action of any kind.

This war has been a sh*t show and colossal f#ckup from the word go. If you are on the side of wanting a favorable outcome for the United States, that is an objectively true statement.
Too soon to say for sure, but it looks likely that the outcome will be highly favorable for the US and our gulf allies for various reasons that even you should be able to discern in your less TDS-hysterical moments.
Are we safer today as a result of the war? Is Iran weaker or stronger? What evidence can you provide that this peace deal allowing Iran to benefit handsomely is evidence of the United States winning and that the “temporary” lifting of sanctions is for any other purpose than to attempt to win Americans back over before the midterms by getting gas prices lowered again?
If Iran was as close to a nuke as they told our negotiators, we are certainly safer - as are Israel, Europe and our gulf allies. Obviously, Iran is substantially weaker.

The "peace deal" you refer too is in negotiation.

I will wait for your response.
Credit to you for not lapsing into one of your perverted sexual fantasy rages about Trump. I hope this higher level of maturity is not temporary - although I would bet it is.
 

RagnarLothbrok

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Oil is fungible.
That doesn’t answer the question.

Probably. Look it up and report back.
That doesn’t answer the question.

Too soon to say. Their military assets and economy have been so crushed I don't know (nor do you) if it will "significantly" strengthen Iran. I doubt it.
The current negotiations do not indicate this assertion to be true.

In your hypothetical, I think Trump will bide his time and bomb the crap out of them shortly after the midterms. Or he may opt to bomb the coastal areas around the strait as he did recently, which prompted them to suddenly want an MOU.
So, you’re saying we are going to do this dance all over again?

If you were being "perfectly honest" here, you wouldn't put forth such an absurd hypothetical to imagine appeasement dems would take strong action of any kind.
This is a really stupid response. Prior to the Iran War, the MIB painted Obama as a warmonger and war criminal. Seriously, what you typed is meaningless drivel and a complete dodge of the actual question.

Too soon to say for sure, but it looks likely that the outcome will be highly favorable for the US and our gulf allies for various reasons that even you should be able to discern in your less TDS-hysterical moments.
More meaningless drivel and baseless assertions posited with not one piece of supporting evidence whatsoever. “If you can’t see how awesome all of this is for the United States, you are a cacapoopoohead with TDS.”

Riveting.

If Iran was as close to a nuke as they told our negotiators, we are certainly safer - as are Israel, Europe and our gulf allies.
And the credible evidence for that is…?

If what you’re saying is true, that’s pretty scary since last June Iran’s nuclear capabilities had been “totally obliterated.” In what…6 months time Iran rebuilt and restored their nuclear capabilities to being an imminent danger? Yikes.

Obviously, Iran is substantially weaker.
Then why is President Dealmaker negotiating as if they are anything but? Square that circle for us.

The "peace deal" you refer too is in negotiation.
And has been for months. We know.

Credit to you for not lapsing into one of your perverted sexual fantasy rages about Trump.
I have no idea what this even means, but I am sure it sounded good in your head.

I hope this higher level of maturity is not temporary - although I would bet it is.
What or whom do you base maturity off of…Donald Trump? If so, I will be happy continuing to defy your standards.

Well, no one can say I didn’t try to give you the benefit of the doubt and an opportunity to present a cogent argument. As expected, you followed the same script you always do—baseless assertions, dumb tropes, debunked talking points, revisionist history, and more grand finales about sexual fantasies of Donald Trump that you invented in your head and for some odd reason continue to project onto me.

Anyway, in good faith, I tried. Happy Trails.
 

Rifler

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Nice try, Rifler, but ya wrong.

Petroleum products account for a very small fraction of electricity in Iowa, generating about 0.1% or less of the state's total electricity supply. [1]
The state relies heavily on renewables and is heavily dominated by wind energy. A breakdown of Iowa's utility-scale generation mix includes: [1, 2]

  • Wind: ~59%
Wind: Wind is the absolute dominant force in Iowa's electricity mix. In 2024, wind turbines generated approximately 63% of the state's total electricity. This makes Iowa the highest wind power producer by share of in-state generation in the United States. [1, 2]


Nationwide, renewables account for roughly 25% of US electrical production,... So I'm 75% correct.
 

Riveting

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That doesn’t answer the question.
You don't even understand fungibility?

That doesn’t answer the question.
It would if you knew how to look up the answer, as I assigned you.

The current negotiations do not indicate this assertion to be true.
How do you imagine you know what is going on in the current negotiations? Ms. Now?
So, you’re saying we are going to do this dance all over again?
It was a hypothetical response to your hypothetical. You now seemed to be confused about the meaning of 'hypothetical'.


This is a really stupid response. Prior to the Iran War, the MIB painted Obama as a warmonger and war criminal. Seriously, what you typed is meaningless drivel and a complete dodge of the actual question.
The MIB, whatever that is, is irrelevant to the question because Obama negotiated an appeasement-based deal with Iran that even Schumer voted against for being so weak.
More meaningless drivel and baseless assertions posited with not one piece of supporting evidence whatsoever. “If you can’t see how awesome all of this is for the United States, you are a cacapoopoohead with TDS.”
Again, I overestimated your intelligence level, as it is even lower than I thought. The US now has more energy customers, better weapons systems based on what we have learned, and closer cooperation with Gulf allies. Iran will be a declining oil power from this point forward.

I posted a WSJ article making that very point within the last week, but it had some big words so you must have skipped it.
Riveting.
Loth.
And the credible evidence for that is…?
The words of their negotiators to Witkoff and Kushner. It would be stupid not to believe them.

If what you’re saying is true, that’s pretty scary since last June Iran’s nuclear capabilities had been “totally obliterated.” In what…6 months time Iran rebuilt and restored their nuclear capabilities to being an imminent danger? Yikes.
Our intel must have been bad, which would not be surprising.
Then why is President Dealmaker negotiating as if they are anything but? Square that circle for us.
You are not directly involved in the negotiations, so you have no idea how Trump is negotiating. He did pretty well in reducing the war in Gaza and getting the remaining hostages released, right?

And has been for months. We know.
Must be sad for you he hasn't met your time requirements. Is it impacting your perverted fantasy life?

I have no idea what this even means, but I am sure it sounded good in your head.
I just bumped a representative post of yours to help your feeble memory.


What or whom do you base maturity off of…Donald Trump? If so, I will be happy continuing to defy your standards.
No doubt your active perverted fantasy life involving Trump will continue to make you happy.

Well, no one can say I didn’t try to give you the benefit of the doubt and an opportunity to present a cogent argument. As expected, you followed the same script you always do—baseless assertions, dumb tropes, debunked talking points, revisionist history, and more grand finales about sexual fantasies of Donald Trump that you invented in your head and for some odd reason continue to project onto me.

Anyway, in good faith, I tried. Happy Trails.
Go ahead and list some alleged "baseless assertions, dumb tropes, debunked talking points, revisionist history" to back your claims. (No need to include one of your oral sex fantasies involving Trump.)
 

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Cool, so you allow someone else to purchase your share of petroleum products, convert those resources into electricity, and then after a lengthy transmission process, deliver what's left of the originally contained energy to your home,... Very green of you,
Try again slick, I pay higher energy rates as part of a co-op which subsidized the cost of building solar panels.
 
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fatpiggy

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Try again slick, I pay higher energy rates as part of a co-op which subsidized the cost of building solar panels.


What do yall pay per KwH in Iowa for home charging?

We are at about $.14 here in SC.
 

Urohawk

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What do yall pay per KwH in Iowa for home charging?

We are at about $.14 here in SC.
Pretty similar, here in Kansas. I pay 0.138 per kWH for solar. I buy 2700 KWH per month. In summer I go over and the "carbon" rate which is coal around here is $0.10 per kWh. We heat with gas in winter so use less energy. I rarely get below 2500 unless we have a super warm spring month like March where I don't have to run AC and we aren't powering the furnace fans to run heat.
 
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Anon1750875978

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If we need more people to pick apples and clean hotel rooms congress can vote on what the correct number should be. But that doesn't mean it's OK to bring the rest of the family. IMO accepting people based on what we need can fall under merit.
Just say it, you're afraid of non Whites!