Three blue blood programs and Pope's former program just produced the top four picks.

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That's not what I meant. Adding any of those guys to last year's UK roster would make UK dramatically better and keep UK in the national spotlight as well.

Simple question, does a healthy Caleb Wilson improve UK's roster last season?
He was destined to get injured. So you tell us. Would 2/3 of a season with Wilson have helped? I don’t think so. At the end of the day players just don’t wanna play for Pope. I mean, we’re we got people here super excited when we landed the guy from Iowa State and a recruit for next year. Neither of which puts us in any discussion for any titles or anything.. momicilovic helps us to not suck next year and Probably makes us a sweet 16 team which is awful. Because this toiling around with mediocrity is getting us nowhere. I mean we’re having to pay championship money for freaking hit or miss players. These All-Star type players top 25 recruits. They wanna play for coaches who have notoriety. They don’t care if coach sucks like cal. The guys connected and he has a history of don’t know maybe he’s got more players to the league a short period of time than any other coach I can think of maybe any ever I mean wooden would be next. Pope has to change his calculus completely.. he has to embrace our former UK players that are in the NBA. Instead of taking these long breaks and disappearing for long periods of time, I’m sure his wife tells him to recharge. This job gives you maybe a week out of the year to recharge. There’s no work life balance coaching at Kentucky. Those long periods of time where Pope just disappears in summer the guy needs to spend a lot of time recruiting our former players.. the best thing he can do for himself is to get the school associated with all of the stud NBA players. It’s not a tattoo. It’s not a a little mention about Kentucky. It’s getting these guys to be part of the part of the family. If you have these former players start to pump Kentucky well we can get that mystique back. Hasn’t been long enough yet.. and honestly perfect guy for the job is sitting job was right now that’s Donovan. He will get in good with every single former Kentucky player that’s in the NBA. He’ll have them recruit. I mean he’s done with his guys. He knows how to do it.. the problem is pope. None of them want anything to do with him? You know that picture of towns were popes like hugging on him well towns didn’t want that pope just does that stuff. He doesn’t care who person is he just does what he wants. There’s no conforming. We’re still losing ridiculous amounts of recruits. I feel like a sweet 16 this year would be a disaster. That’s probably the end of UK basketball because either we lose and hire a stud coach or win a little and continue with the stale program that Pope is built. It feels like he’s been here 10 years..

Now the caveat to this is if pope figures it out and gets us to a sweet 16 or get this to an elite 8 and has us super competitive in that game. I don’t think it’s much to demand that are a new coach get to an elite eight in the first three years or bounce. But the other caveat is can’t just get to an elite eight he needs the majority of his team to return along with that so that in two years were favorites to win a title.. I just don’t think any of that is gonna happen. But that I would get behind Pope if he started winning like that.. like a five loss season or better. If it’s an average sweet 16. Well we brought in a fundraising machine with our A.D. so buying out his contract shouldn’t be a problem, man. I’m sorry but I still haven’t seen eliteness out of Mark Pope
 
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Definitely. You can't win titles with 2nd tier guys. Here's hoping Wilkins. N'Diaye and Moreno take the next step this year.

Some of our fans keep projecting our guys at their abosolute highest potential, but how often does everything usually come together like that?
doesnt Nba draft on potential?
 
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He wasn't healthy, just like Jaland Lowe and Jayden Quaintance weren't healthy, and Kam Williams wasn't for much of the year. I thought injuries were not an excuse.

Lots of freshmen were healthy, including Dybantsa and Peterson, and their teams did no better, or even worse, than Kentucky. Like I said, 5-star freshmen aren't the answer to "getting our swag back" whatever that means.

I stand by my prediction that Kansas will go no farther -- and likely not as far -- as Kentucky in the 2027 tournament with Tyran Stokes. That's literally all I care about, not some vague idea that signing guys like him "keeps Kentucky in the national spotlight." Kentucky has been in the college basketball spotlight all my life, and I'm not worried that is going to change.
Why avoid the question and double down? Freshmen didn't help us with the 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 0r 2017 teams?

I'm not making the argument that freshmen are the only answer, but they can be a huge piece. You created a totally seperate strawman with the Stokes stuff. You're usually more thoughtful than that.
 

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2026 NCAA champion: Michigan, 3 1st round draft picks
2025 NCAA champion: Florida, 1 1st round draft pick, 2 2nd round draft picks.....at least 2 more (haugh/condon) pending
2024 NCAA champion: UCONN, 2 1st round draft picks, 2 2nd round draft picks
2023 NCAA champion: UCONN, 1 1st round draft pick, 1 2nd round draft pick (see above)

talent matters. Need NBA level HS and portal players
4 programs accounted for 1/3 of the first round.

UM - 3
Houston - 2
Arizona -2
Uconn - 2

Most impressively, UConn got two multi year players drafted in the first in Reed and Karaban. there were only 4 seniors drafted in the first round and they had two of them. At this point, it feels like NBA franchises are drafting UConn kids because of the quality that programs runs it's kids through. That's where you want to be. Get OAD's drafted is something anyone can do, so I don't give Lloyd or Sampson much praise for it.

Dusty finding three guys in the portal and getting them all drafted in the lottery is ridiculous.

All said, Houston will likely have 4 kids drafted. For the first time in awhile, Sampson underachieved.
 
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Would Tyran Stokes even go lottery in this draft? The deepest I can remember.
Top five unless someone wanted fired. lol . He’ll be the National Player of the year next season and number 1 pick in next seasons draft. He’ll end up the franchise player wherever he goes and will be a multiple time All Star in my opinion . I wish we could’ve got him but ohh well.
 
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This is at least three posts I’ve saw of you giving him crap, Did he steal your girlfriend or something? He’s a Cat dude and works his fing asss off every single day. Get over it.
If you must know hes my 3rd cousin. I married his older sister and he's kind of a little snob with his NIL. He drives a Camary now and acts like hes too good for us working folk.
 

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Why avoid the question and double down? Freshmen didn't help us with the 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 0r 2017 teams?

I'm not making the argument that freshmen are the only answer, but they can be a huge piece. You created a totally seperate strawman with the Stokes stuff. You're usually more thoughtful than that.
I did answer the question. Caleb Wilson got injured, just like Lowe and Williams and Quaintance. All those injuries had consequences. Kentucky fans are quick to note they aren't an excuse. WIlson getting injured wouldn't have been one either. So, no, he wouldn't have made Kentucky any better than he made North Carolina, a team that flopped so badly their coach got fired.

And now you ask if freshmen made Kentucky better between 2010 and 2017. I think this reveals your fundamental misunderstaning about what is happening in college basketball. If you think getting a top ranked Freshman means as much today as it did in 2010 or the years right after that, when the One-and-Done era was beginning, then you need to catch up with reality. Michigan getting Lendabourg was a hundred times more consequential than Kansas getting the #1 High School recruit, Darryn Peterson. Or the #2 recruit, AJ Dybantsa. Or the #3 recruit whether that was Acuff, Wilson or Boozer.

I started a thread well before the Tyran Stokes self-directed Soap Opera played out that I would rather have Milan Momcilovic. I'm thrilled it turned out the way it did. Stokes is far more likely to be another Darryn Peterson, auditioning for the NBA when he does play and flirting with boo-boos the rest of the time so he doesn't risk his draft status than he is an Anthony Davis-type difference maker.

Your thread lamenting that Kentucky didn't sign guys who barely helped their teams succeed at all in the only way that mattered, and wishing UK could "get its swag back" by making a big splash on NBA draft night is naive and outdated.
 
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It’s weird Cal promised the Hog nation he would recruit only the top best players . He gets the 7th pick and that’s it . How embarrassing they believed in Cal
He is recruiting heads and tales better at Arkansas than he was here. I’m not talking about rankings. Cal will always grab the 5* guys no one else wanted because they didn’t have skills. They were just bigger than the other HS guys they were playing against. Cals only difference makers here his last 5 years were two 4 stars. Reed and Rob. All his class headliners were 5 star flops. Edward’s, TyTy, Boston all high rated guys with zero skill. All declared and were NBA flops. Acuff was a difference maker. Went 7th in the draft. SEC and National freshman of the year. We didn’t sniff guys like that Cals last 5 years here. That was the Barnhart NIL effect. I don’t even blame Calipari.
 
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I did answer the question. Caleb Wilson got injured, just like Lowe and Williams and Quaintance. All those injuries had consequences. Kentucky fans are quick to note they aren't an excuse. WIlson getting injured wouldn't have been one either. So, no, he wouldn't have made Kentucky any better than he made North Carolina, a team that flopped so badly their coach got fired.

And now you ask if freshmen made Kentucky better between 2010 and 2017. I think this reveals your fundamental misunderstaning about what is happening i college basketball. If you think getting a top ranked Freshman means as much today as it did in 2010 or the years right after that, when the One-and-Done era was beginning, then you need to catch up with reality. Michigan getting Lendabourg was a hundred times more consequential than Kansas getting the #1 High School recruit, Darryn Peterson. Or the #2 recruit, AJ Dybantsa. Or the #3 recruit whether that was Acuff, Wilson or Boozer.

I started a thread well before the Tyran Stokes self-directed Soap Opera played out that I would rather have Milan Momcilovic. I'm thrilled it turned out the way it did. Stokes is far more likely to be another Darryn Peterson, auditioning for the NBA when he does play and flirting with boo-boos the rest of the time so he doesn't risk his draft status than he is an Anthony Davis-type difference maker.

Your thread lamenting that Kentucky didn't sign guys who barely helped their teams succeed at all in the only way that mattered, and wishing UK could "get its swag back" by making a big splash on NBA draft night is naive and outdated.
It's naive to think that adding Caleb Wilson/Cam Boozer/Nate Ament/AJD to our roster last year would have done two things: 1. help Kentucky become a much better or 2. Put us on the national map?
 
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Cal and UK have a billion dollars of contracts in the league.

We’ve had plenty of “Greatest nights ever for the program” on draft night. Hell we even have alum winning titles in the league for franchises who couldn’t buy one the last 75 years!

Folks we ran off the guy who could recruit and keep us in the 24/7/365 star ranking to lottery hype cycle.

That’s not what is winning anymore.

Same goes for the other blue bloods with high draft picks!

It worked for May this time, but he’s smart and did what Cal should’ve done. Get out.

Platoon squad was the signal. Great team. Great run. Got beat by future dentists and accountants in Wisconsin. That was the time for everyone to bow out and part ways on good terms. If you can’t win a title with that squad…things have changed and your ways are done.
 

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It’s weird Cal promised the Hog nation he would recruit only the top best players . He gets the 7th pick and that’s it . How embarrassing they believed in Cal
He does recruit the best players, but he has misses and kids choose other schools. Recruiting the best doesn’t mean that every single one chooses to come to your school or that they pan out. We’ve seen that having the #1 or #2 class almost every year.
 

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I did answer the question. Caleb Wilson got injured, just like Lowe and Williams and Quaintance. All those injuries had consequences. Kentucky fans are quick to note they aren't an excuse. WIlson getting injured wouldn't have been one either. So, no, he wouldn't have made Kentucky any better than he made North Carolina, a team that flopped so badly their coach got fired.

And now you ask if freshmen made Kentucky better between 2010 and 2017. I think this reveals your fundamental misunderstaning about what is happening in college basketball. If you think getting a top ranked Freshman means as much today as it did in 2010 or the years right after that, when the One-and-Done era was beginning, then you need to catch up with reality. Michigan getting Lendabourg was a hundred times more consequential than Kansas getting the #1 High School recruit, Darryn Peterson. Or the #2 recruit, AJ Dybantsa. Or the #3 recruit whether that was Acuff, Wilson or Boozer.
Lendoborg was not better than Cam Boozer by any statistical metric you want to use last season, so in essence, he was not more impactful than Cam Boozer. Lendeborg did however, have a better team with more pieces surrounding him. But CAm Boozer had an all-time college season, not just for a freshman.
 
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Cal and UK have a billion dollars of contracts in the league.

We’ve had plenty of “Greatest nights ever for the program” on draft night. Hell we even have alum winning titles in the league for franchises who couldn’t buy one the last 75 years!

Folks we ran off the guy who could recruit and keep us in the 24/7/365 star ranking to lottery hype cycle.

That’s not what is winning anymore.

Same goes for the other blue bloods with high draft picks!

It worked for May this time, but he’s smart and did what Cal should’ve done. Get out.

Platoon squad was the signal. Great team. Great run. Got beat by future dentists and accountants in Wisconsin. That was the time for everyone to bow out and part ways on good terms. If you can’t win a title with that squad…things have changed and your ways are done.
Calipari will always get highly ranked guys based on his early success. All highly ranked guys are NOT equal. Can you put Justin Edward’s in the same breath as Bam? Can you put Skal in the same sentence as AD? How about John Wall and Quade Green in the same boat? All these players had a 5* ranking.
Since NIL began, Cal was getting the leftovers others didn’t want. That seems to have changed at Arkansas. Acuff was SEC and national freshman of the year. This class also has some difference makers.
Yet, most believe we are flush with cash and Pope can’t recruit because he’s goofy.
The Barnhart model killed recruiting at Kentucky post NIL. He wouldn’t embrace it, and the Top guys started going elsewhere. We still haven’t recovered IMO.
 
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