Five in Five - What Might That Look Like?

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One important thing to note based on the wording in the NCAA press release is that anyone staying on the old rules who wants an exception for past events (hardship, Oly redshirt, etc.) has one shot and the window for applying for that exception closes July 31, 2026.

Per the press release:

For current student-athletes with eligibility remaining under the previous rules, schools must submit any season-of-competition or eligibility clock extension waiver requests based on circumstances that occurred during or before the 2025-26 academic year — and all supporting documentation — to the national office no later than July 31, 2026. After that date, waivers of the previous rules will no longer be available.

Another interesting item is that all exception requests will now be administered by the NCAA Eligibility Center. In the past they delegated some of the authority to the conferences. To answer your question @BaccaFarmer it will be the Eligibility Center that determines what is an "official religious mission".
 

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One important thing to note based on the wording in the NCAA press release is that anyone staying on the old rules who wants an exception for past events (hardship, Oly redshirt, etc.) has one shot and the window for applying for that exception closes July 31, 2026.

Per the press release:

For current student-athletes with eligibility remaining under the previous rules, schools must submit any season-of-competition or eligibility clock extension waiver requests based on circumstances that occurred during or before the 2025-26 academic year — and all supporting documentation — to the national office no later than July 31, 2026. After that date, waivers of the previous rules will no longer be available.

Another interesting item is that all exception requests will now be administered by the NCAA Eligibility Center. In the past they delegated some of the authority to the conferences. To answer your question @BaccaFarmer it will be the Eligibility Center that determines what is an "official religious mission".
Olympic RS would've been submitted for 2024 already. And the criteria for 2028 hasn't been released. So no one will be getting an Olympic RS in 2028.
It says occurred during or before 25-26 academic year
 

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Starting the academic year following your 19th birthday. Bo was 19 on 25 2025 and the academic year had already started. So he's enrolling now which is the academic year following his 19th birthday. The NCAA academic year runs from Aug 1 to July 31
Oh, I guess never knew the official academic year starts August 1st. Seems dumb but good, id rather get to watch bassett than not to.
 
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True and a bunch of SR basketball players just filed a lawsuit

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D. Plaintiffs' Careers and the Specific Harm They Face

Each Plaintiff began playing NCAA basketball no earlier than the 2022-23 season—the first year of their college careers—and has competed for four seasons. None has redshirted. Each remains within the five-year eligibility window. Each would be eligible to compete in 2026-27 under the rule the NCAA made permanent on June 23, 2026. And each has been specifically excluded from that rule by the NCAA's arbitrary decision to carve out the class of 2022.

Plaintiff Filip Borovicanin played basketball at the University of Arizona in the 2022-23 and 2023-24 seasons, the University of New Mexico in 2024-25, and Xavier University (an Ohio institution located in Cincinnati, Ohio) in the 2025-26 season. He played his senior year of college basketball in Ohio, starting 26 of 33 games for Xavier and averaging 10.8 points and 7.4 rebounds per game in the Big East Conference. He competed for playing time against Mustapha Amzil, Nelly Junior Joseph, Courtney Ramey, Matthew Lang, Cedric Henderson, Jr., Keshad Johnson, Oumar Ballo, and Isaiah Walker, who were in their fifth seasons of competition.

Plaintiff Malik Messina-Moore played basketball at Pepperdine University in the 2022-23 and 2023-24 seasons, the University of Montana in 2024-25, and Xavier University (an Ohio institution located in Cincinnati, Ohio) in the 2025-26 season. He played his senior year of college basketball in Ohio, appearing in 33 games for Xavier and averaging 10.9 points per game. He competed for playing time against Joe Pridgen, Brandon Whitney, Austin Patterson, Ethan Anderson, Isaiah Walker, and Jay Yoon, who were in their fifth seasons of competition.

Plaintiff Michael ("MJ") Collins Jr. played basketball at Virginia Tech in the 2022-23 and 2023-24 seasons, Vanderbilt University in 2024-25, and Utah State University in the 2025-26 season, where he earned All-Mountain West recognition. Although he did not play for an Ohio school, Collins played multiple games in the State of Ohio over his career, including Big East and ACC conference games against Xavier University and Ohio State University. He competed for playing time against Grant Huffman, AJ Hoggard, Hunter Cattoor, Mekhi Long, Robbie Beran, Grant Basile, and Garry Clark, who were in their fifth seasons of competition, and Drake Allen and Justyn Mutts, who were in their sixth seasons. Collins intends to play in the 2026-27 season at the University of Cincinnati, located in Hamilton County, Ohio, should he receive relief from this Court.

Plaintiff Kolby King played basketball at St. John's University in the 2022-23 season, Tulane University in 2023-24, and Utah State University in the 2024-25 and 2025-26 seasons. During the 2025-26 season at Utah State, King averaged 7.5 points per game across all 36 games and helped Utah State earn a bid to the NCAA Tournament, scoring 27 points against New Mexico to clinch the Mountain West regular season title. Although he did not play for an Ohio school, King played multiple games in the State of Ohio over his career, including Big East games against Xavier University. He competed for playing time against Ian Martinez, Jaylen Forbes, Kevin Cross, Tre' Williams, Montez Mathis, and Garry Clark, who were in their fifth seasons of competition, and Drake Allen and Dexter Akanno, who were in their sixth seasons. King intends to play in the 2026-27 season at the University of Cincinnati, located in Hamilton County, Ohio, should he receive relief from this Court.

Plaintiff Javon Bennett played basketball at Merrimack College in the 2022-23 season, where he earned NEC Rookie of the Year honors, then at the University of Dayton (an Ohio institution) in the 2023-24, 2024-25, and 2025-26 seasons. At Dayton, he earned First Team All-Atlantic 10 honors in 2025-26, starting all 37 games and averaging 15.8 points per game. He played his four seasons of college basketball in Ohio and against opponents from throughout the country at Dayton's UD Arena. He competed for playing time against Posh Alexander, Zed Key, and CJ Napier, who were in their fifth seasons of competition and Keonte Jones, who was in his sixth season.

Plaintiff Chevalier Emery Jr. played basketball at Merrimack College in the 2022-23 season, then at Dodge City Community College in 2023-24 (a non-NCAA school), then at Western Carolina University in 2024-25, and finally at Cleveland State University (an Ohio institution) in the 2025-26 season. He competed for playing time against Jaidon Lipscomb, Lucas Burton, and Manny Hill, who were in their fifth seasons of competition. (Emery also played his 2023-24 season at Dodge City Community College, which is not part of the NCAA. If the NCAA treated community college as it treats professional basketball, it would not have counted against Emery's season of competition limit and he would be eligible for the 2026-27 season.)

Plaintiff Jalen Quinn played basketball at Loyola University Chicago in the 2022-23, 2023-24, and 2024-25 seasons, and at Drake University in the 2025-26 season. While at those schools, he competed for playing time against Sheldon Edwards, Tom Welch, Greg Dolan, Patrick Mwamba, Dame Adelekun, Jeameril Wilson, and Bryce Golden, who were in their fifth seasons of competition, and Braden Norris, who was in his sixth season. During the 2025-26 season, Quinn earned All-Missouri Valley Conference honors, averaging 19.7 points per game across 34 games. Quinn played in games in multiple games in Ohio at the University of Dayton.

Plaintiff Savannah White played women's basketball at the University of Wisconsin in the 2022-23 season, Indiana State University in the 2023-24 and 2024-25 seasons, and Xavier University (an Ohio institution located in Cincinnati, Ohio) in the 2025-26 season. She played her senior year of college basketball in Ohio, averaging 7.0 points and 7.3 rebounds per game across 29 games for Xavier. She competed for playing time against Ella Sayer, Chelsea Cain, Mya Glanton, and Avery LaBarbera, who were in their fifth seasons of competition. (White played her 2022-23 freshman season at Wisconsin, where she appeared in only six games averaging 4.8 minutes per contest. Notwithstanding her de minimis freshman participation, that season counted as a full season of competition against her eligibility.)

Plaintiff Donovan Brown played basketball at Waubonsee Community College (a non-NCAA school) in 2022-23, then at Florida Tech University (NCAA Division II) in the 2023-24 and 2024-25 seasons, where he averaged 20.7 points per game in 2024-25, and then at the University of Massachusetts in the 2025-26 season. Although UMass is located in Massachusetts, Brown played multiple games in the State of Ohio during the 2025-26 season, including games against Ohio University and Miami University (Ohio) in the MAC conference. He competed for playing time against Leonardo Bettiol, who was in his fifth of competition. (Brown also played his 2022-23 season at Waubonsee Community College, which is not part of the NCAA. If the NCAA treated community college as it treats professional basketball, it would not have counted against Brown's season of competition limit and he would be eligible for the 2026-27 season.)

Plaintiff Christian Henry played basketball at Panola College (a non-NCAA junior college in Texas) in the 2022-23 and 2023-24 seasons, then at Eastern Michigan University (an Ohio-border MAC conference school) in the 2024-25 season, where he averaged 14.7 points per game across 32 starts, and finally at Fordham University in the 2025-26 season. Henry played multiple games in the State of Ohio, including MAC conference games against Ohio University, Bowling Green State University, Miami University (Ohio), Kent State University, Akron University, Toledo University, and others. He competed for playing time against Dejour Reaves, Marcus Greene, Louis Lesmond, and Micah Schnyders, who were in their fifth seasons of competition and Yusuf Jihad, who was in his sixth season. (Henry also played his 2022-23 and 2023-24 seasons at Panola College, which is not part of the NCAA. If the NCAA treated community college as it treats professional basketball, those seasons would not have counted against Henry's season of competition limit and he would be eligible for the 2026-27 season.)

Plaintiff Ziare Wells played basketball at Monroe University (a non-NCAA NJCAA school) in the 2022-23 and 2023-24 seasons, then at Lenoir-Rhyne University (NCAA Division II) in the 2024-25 season, and finally at Oakland University in the 2025-26 season. Although Oakland University is located in Michigan, Wells played multiple games in the State of Ohio during the 2025-26 season as a member of the Horizon League, including games at Wright State, Youngstown State, and Cleveland State. He competed for playing time against Brett White II and Tuburu Naivalurua, who were in their fifth seasons of competition, and Michael Houge, who was in his sixth season.

 
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D. Plaintiffs' Careers and the Specific Harm They Face

Each Plaintiff began playing NCAA basketball no earlier than the 2022-23 season—the first year of their college careers—and has competed for four seasons. None has redshirted. Each remains within the five-year eligibility window. Each would be eligible to compete in 2026-27 under the rule the NCAA made permanent on June 23, 2026. And each has been specifically excluded from that rule by the NCAA's arbitrary decision to carve out the class of 2022.

Plaintiff Filip Borovicanin played basketball at the University of Arizona in the 2022-23 and 2023-24 seasons, the University of New Mexico in 2024-25, and Xavier University (an Ohio institution located in Cincinnati, Ohio) in the 2025-26 season. He played his senior year of college basketball in Ohio, starting 26 of 33 games for Xavier and averaging 10.8 points and 7.4 rebounds per game in the Big East Conference. He competed for playing time against Mustapha Amzil, Nelly Junior Joseph, Courtney Ramey, Matthew Lang, Cedric Henderson, Jr., Keshad Johnson, Oumar Ballo, and Isaiah Walker, who were in their fifth seasons of competition.

Plaintiff Malik Messina-Moore played basketball at Pepperdine University in the 2022-23 and 2023-24 seasons, the University of Montana in 2024-25, and Xavier University (an Ohio institution located in Cincinnati, Ohio) in the 2025-26 season. He played his senior year of college basketball in Ohio, appearing in 33 games for Xavier and averaging 10.9 points per game. He competed for playing time against Joe Pridgen, Brandon Whitney, Austin Patterson, Ethan Anderson, Isaiah Walker, and Jay Yoon, who were in their fifth seasons of competition.

Plaintiff Michael ("MJ") Collins Jr. played basketball at Virginia Tech in the 2022-23 and 2023-24 seasons, Vanderbilt University in 2024-25, and Utah State University in the 2025-26 season, where he earned All-Mountain West recognition. Although he did not play for an Ohio school, Collins played multiple games in the State of Ohio over his career, including Big East and ACC conference games against Xavier University and Ohio State University. He competed for playing time against Grant Huffman, AJ Hoggard, Hunter Cattoor, Mekhi Long, Robbie Beran, Grant Basile, and Garry Clark, who were in their fifth seasons of competition, and Drake Allen and Justyn Mutts, who were in their sixth seasons. Collins intends to play in the 2026-27 season at the University of Cincinnati, located in Hamilton County, Ohio, should he receive relief from this Court.

Plaintiff Kolby King played basketball at St. John's University in the 2022-23 season, Tulane University in 2023-24, and Utah State University in the 2024-25 and 2025-26 seasons. During the 2025-26 season at Utah State, King averaged 7.5 points per game across all 36 games and helped Utah State earn a bid to the NCAA Tournament, scoring 27 points against New Mexico to clinch the Mountain West regular season title. Although he did not play for an Ohio school, King played multiple games in the State of Ohio over his career, including Big East games against Xavier University. He competed for playing time against Ian Martinez, Jaylen Forbes, Kevin Cross, Tre' Williams, Montez Mathis, and Garry Clark, who were in their fifth seasons of competition, and Drake Allen and Dexter Akanno, who were in their sixth seasons. King intends to play in the 2026-27 season at the University of Cincinnati, located in Hamilton County, Ohio, should he receive relief from this Court.

Plaintiff Javon Bennett played basketball at Merrimack College in the 2022-23 season, where he earned NEC Rookie of the Year honors, then at the University of Dayton (an Ohio institution) in the 2023-24, 2024-25, and 2025-26 seasons. At Dayton, he earned First Team All-Atlantic 10 honors in 2025-26, starting all 37 games and averaging 15.8 points per game. He played his four seasons of college basketball in Ohio and against opponents from throughout the country at Dayton's UD Arena. He competed for playing time against Posh Alexander, Zed Key, and CJ Napier, who were in their fifth seasons of competition and Keonte Jones, who was in his sixth season.

Plaintiff Chevalier Emery Jr. played basketball at Merrimack College in the 2022-23 season, then at Dodge City Community College in 2023-24 (a non-NCAA school), then at Western Carolina University in 2024-25, and finally at Cleveland State University (an Ohio institution) in the 2025-26 season. He competed for playing time against Jaidon Lipscomb, Lucas Burton, and Manny Hill, who were in their fifth seasons of competition. (Emery also played his 2023-24 season at Dodge City Community College, which is not part of the NCAA. If the NCAA treated community college as it treats professional basketball, it would not have counted against Emery's season of competition limit and he would be eligible for the 2026-27 season.)

Plaintiff Jalen Quinn played basketball at Loyola University Chicago in the 2022-23, 2023-24, and 2024-25 seasons, and at Drake University in the 2025-26 season. While at those schools, he competed for playing time against Sheldon Edwards, Tom Welch, Greg Dolan, Patrick Mwamba, Dame Adelekun, Jeameril Wilson, and Bryce Golden, who were in their fifth seasons of competition, and Braden Norris, who was in his sixth season. During the 2025-26 season, Quinn earned All-Missouri Valley Conference honors, averaging 19.7 points per game across 34 games. Quinn played in games in multiple games in Ohio at the University of Dayton.

Plaintiff Savannah White played women's basketball at the University of Wisconsin in the 2022-23 season, Indiana State University in the 2023-24 and 2024-25 seasons, and Xavier University (an Ohio institution located in Cincinnati, Ohio) in the 2025-26 season. She played her senior year of college basketball in Ohio, averaging 7.0 points and 7.3 rebounds per game across 29 games for Xavier. She competed for playing time against Ella Sayer, Chelsea Cain, Mya Glanton, and Avery LaBarbera, who were in their fifth seasons of competition. (White played her 2022-23 freshman season at Wisconsin, where she appeared in only six games averaging 4.8 minutes per contest. Notwithstanding her de minimis freshman participation, that season counted as a full season of competition against her eligibility.)

Plaintiff Donovan Brown played basketball at Waubonsee Community College (a non-NCAA school) in 2022-23, then at Florida Tech University (NCAA Division II) in the 2023-24 and 2024-25 seasons, where he averaged 20.7 points per game in 2024-25, and then at the University of Massachusetts in the 2025-26 season. Although UMass is located in Massachusetts, Brown played multiple games in the State of Ohio during the 2025-26 season, including games against Ohio University and Miami University (Ohio) in the MAC conference. He competed for playing time against Leonardo Bettiol, who was in his fifth of competition. (Brown also played his 2022-23 season at Waubonsee Community College, which is not part of the NCAA. If the NCAA treated community college as it treats professional basketball, it would not have counted against Brown's season of competition limit and he would be eligible for the 2026-27 season.)

Plaintiff Christian Henry played basketball at Panola College (a non-NCAA junior college in Texas) in the 2022-23 and 2023-24 seasons, then at Eastern Michigan University (an Ohio-border MAC conference school) in the 2024-25 season, where he averaged 14.7 points per game across 32 starts, and finally at Fordham University in the 2025-26 season. Henry played multiple games in the State of Ohio, including MAC conference games against Ohio University, Bowling Green State University, Miami University (Ohio), Kent State University, Akron University, Toledo University, and others. He competed for playing time against Dejour Reaves, Marcus Greene, Louis Lesmond, and Micah Schnyders, who were in their fifth seasons of competition and Yusuf Jihad, who was in his sixth season. (Henry also played his 2022-23 and 2023-24 seasons at Panola College, which is not part of the NCAA. If the NCAA treated community college as it treats professional basketball, those seasons would not have counted against Henry's season of competition limit and he would be eligible for the 2026-27 season.)

Plaintiff Ziare Wells played basketball at Monroe University (a non-NCAA NJCAA school) in the 2022-23 and 2023-24 seasons, then at Lenoir-Rhyne University (NCAA Division II) in the 2024-25 season, and finally at Oakland University in the 2025-26 season. Although Oakland University is located in Michigan, Wells played multiple games in the State of Ohio during the 2025-26 season as a member of the Horizon League, including games at Wright State, Youngstown State, and Cleveland State. He competed for playing time against Brett White II and Tuburu Naivalurua, who were in their fifth seasons of competition, and Michael Houge, who was in his sixth season.

Yep and it wouldn't shock me if they win and everyone would get another year . Mendez and Levi would be the big names I can think of off the top my head
 
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As great at Jayden Jame is, the disrespect for Kasack is so odd to me. Kid took third twice. Probably would have been the favorite to win this year if he didn’t redshirt. I get the concussion issues…but a healthy Kasak is a tough out for anyone.
And he beat Antrell Taylor 2x , Cryer Shapiro and Caleb Henson... This guy could easily be a NC
I feel like we see Kasak in the lineup this year...
 

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How Tyler looked at the Open was what was concerning to me. Eye pokes and face pushes clearly irritated his symptoms. I don't think he should be on a wrestling mat until he gets extensive looks at from specialists.
It's difficult to say from afar. It definitely doesn't look good but if a DR was saying he shouldn't be wrestling no way Penn st training staff would be allowing it
 

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"For current student-athletes with eligibility remaining under the previous rules, schools must submit any season-of-competition or eligibility clock extension waiver requests based on circumstances that occurred during or before the 2025-26 academic year — and all supporting documentation — to the national office no later than July 31, 2026. After that date, waivers of the previous rules will no longer be available."

Does Penn State have any wrestlers that qualify for extension waivers to be filed by July 31? Kasak? (Concussion and sits this year). Ono?
Connor Mirasola? (Did not wrestle second semester)

Any one else?
 

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"For current student-athletes with eligibility remaining under the previous rules, schools must submit any season-of-competition or eligibility clock extension waiver requests based on circumstances that occurred during or before the 2025-26 academic year — and all supporting documentation — to the national office no later than July 31, 2026. After that date, waivers of the previous rules will no longer be available."

Does Penn State have any wrestlers that qualify for extension waivers to be filed by July 31? Kasak? (Concussion and sits this year). Ono?
Connor Mirasola? (Did not wrestle second semester)

Any one else?
Can't just file a waiver because you didn't wrestle you must have a real documented injury. DRs notes and test results all that must be submitted along with stuff from athletic training

Kasak and Ono used regular RS last year
 
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Can't just file a waiver because you didn't wrestle you must have a real documented injury. DRs notes test results all that must be submitted.
Think wrestling might be one of the easiest sport to get a medshirt though. Stuff people wrestle through all the time are injuries you probably shouldn't be doing any kind of physical exercise through. Most wrestlers probably have some kind of lingering injuries that probably should get cleaned up also.

Wrestlers truly are a different breed!
 
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Think wrestling might be one of the easiest sport to get a medshirt though. Stuff people wrestle through all the time are injuries you probably shouldn't be doing any kind of physical exercise through. Most wrestlers probably have some kind of lingering injuries that probably should get cleaned up also.

Wrestlers truly are a different breed!
The issue is it's gotta be documented all the way through.. You can't just go back and say I was hurt.

Agree they're definitely the toughest SOBs around. Thats why the ducking stuff makes me mad these dudes are warriors and would be out there if they could. Keyboard warriors who can't lift 50lbs saying a warrior is ducking is crazy
 
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"For current student-athletes with eligibility remaining under the previous rules, schools must submit any season-of-competition or eligibility clock extension waiver requests based on circumstances that occurred during or before the 2025-26 academic year — and all supporting documentation — to the national office no later than July 31, 2026. After that date, waivers of the previous rules will no longer be available."

Does Penn State have any wrestlers that qualify for extension waivers to be filed by July 31? Kasak? (Concussion and sits this year). Ono?
Connor Mirasola? (Did not wrestle second semester)

Any one else?
What bothers me is what is left unsaid in that statement. It could be read that this only is about waivers for past events and that waivers for future events under the old rules are still possible. But the last sentence could also be read that no waivers for future injuries are possible.
 

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The issue is it's gotta be documented all the way through.. You can't just go back and say I was hurt.

Agree they're definitely the toughest SOBs around
Don't know the whole process but I've never heard (though obviously I'm sure it has happened) of anyone getting rejected for one if they didn't wrestle second semester.
 
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What bothers me is what is left unsaid in that statement. It could be read that this only is about waivers for past events and that waivers for future events under the old rules are still possible. But the last sentence could also be read that no waivers for future injuries are possible.
No waivers are possible in the future. The reason they made the rule was because guys were getting 7-8 years. Its now clear you get 5 maximum
 

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Don't know the whole process but I've never heard (though obviously I'm sure it has happened) of anyone getting rejected for one if they didn't wrestle second semester.
Agree it's not difficult but if you don't have it documented with dates it's not happening. MRI and X-rays have dates
 
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No waivers are possible in the future. The reason they made the rule was because guys were getting 7-8 years. Its now clear you get 5 maximum
My point is that is not clear by what they said. If someone is on the old rules then waivers are possible. If it is a one time possibility for a waiver then it is not the old rules.
 

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My point is that is not clear by what they said. If someone is on the old rules then waivers are possible. If it is a one time possibility for a waiver then it is not the old rules.
It's ONLY possible for those who are currently enrolled hence July 31. The new year starts Aug 1 with Ncaa.
Read the last 2 paragraphs
 
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Connor and Cole can opt into the old rules right? Connor I think qualifies for a medshirt and then he holds onto his Olympic redshirt in 2028.
 

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Connor and Cole can opt into the old rules right? Connor I think qualifies for a medshirt and then he holds onto his Olympic redshirt in 2028.
My understanding is no medicals or Olympic RS even if they choose the 4/5 path when entering college.. Just a regular RS would be available. Not sure why anyone would choose 4/5. They're not gonna allow only the class of 2026 HS grads to have 6 or 7 years in college when 2027 HS grads and those after to only have 5. Military service, Religious missions and being pregnant are exempt.
Olympic RS is gone
Medical RS is available for those already enrolled and must be submitted by July 31
 
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It's ONLY possible for those who are currently enrolled hence July 31. The new year starts Aug 1 with Ncaa.
Read the last 2 paragraphs
Not only did I read them, I quoted the guy quoting the last paragraph. The last paragraph may, or may not, address future events for athletes on the old rules based on how the last sentence is interpreted. None of the prior sentences in either paragraph addresses the issue. Hence my statement that I am bothered by what is unsaid.
 

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Not only did I read them, I quoted the guy quoting the last paragraph. The last paragraph may, or may not, address future events for athletes on the old rules based on how the last sentence is interpreted. None of the prior sentences in either paragraph addresses the issue. Hence my statement that I am bothered by what is unsaid.
Sorry AI isn't helping you 🤣. You understand it's not official until it's signed today and I imagine we will see it explained better. But compliance offices are already aware of how its gonna work.

What are you confused about? You understand they made the rule so guys wouldn't get 6-7 years in college right? They're not gonna allow 2026 grads to have 6-7 years when everyone after them MUST follow 5 for 5
 

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Sorry AI isn't helping you 🤣. You understand it's not official until it's signed today and I imagine we will see it explained better. But compliance offices are already aware of how its gonna work.

What are you confused about? You understand they made the rule so guys wouldn't get 6-7 years in college right? They're not gonna allow 2026 grads to have 6-7 years when everyone after them MUST follow 5 for 5
I don't want to get in argument, but if the waiver extension does not get a wrestler a 6th (or maybe 7th) year, then what is the July 31 request all about?
 
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I don't want to get in argument, but if the waiver extension does not get a wrestler a 6th (or maybe 7th) year, then what is the July 31 request all about?
It's for those already enrolled since the rule was in place when said injury occurred. I'm not looking to argue either. That's a major issue on the boards my knowledge makes people think I'm looking to argue I'm not im just providing the information I have
 

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It's for those already enrolled since the rule was in place when said injury occurred. I'm not looking to argue either. That's a major issue on the boards my knowledge makes people think I'm looking to argue I'm not im just providing the information I have
Appreciate your reply, but give me an example of anyone requesting a waiver extension by July 31?

Obviously by the old rules, Connor Mirasola (assuming doctor documented injuries) could have requested and probably received a medical redshirt (even after a RS). I read the July 31 waiver extension is a one time request to alter (increase) a wrestlers current eligibility. No further such extension requests will be accepted going forward. This is a transition rule extending the "old rules" one last time.

The Ono case may request an extension (supposedly NCAA only granted 1 year of eligibility). Does the 5 for 5 open the door for another year?

And if Kasak cannot wrestle this year because of concussions, by old rules he would be able to request a medical redshirt (I know he RS'd last year). I read the July 31 waiver extension request as a one time extending the "old rules" one last time.

Again, if I have this all wrong, please give me an example of a valid eligibility request needed to be submitted by July 31.
 
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No waivers are possible in the future. The reason they made the rule was because guys were getting 7-8 years. Its now clear you get 5 maximum
Actually, this is simply the first step towards 5 in 6. Someone in some sport will suffer a severe enough, public enough and freakish enough injury that there will be a huge swell of public opinion that "gee, it's really unfair he/she is going to lose a year because of that." It won't change because of the first occurrence, but after multiple occurrences there will either be a court case or a strong enough public push they will start granting redshirts again.

Since the late 60s we have moved from 3 in 4 (no freshman eligibility) to 4 in 4 (freshman eligible) to 4 in 5 (medical redshirts) to 4 in 6 (redhirts became just normal and if truly injured early enough in a season ask for a medical redshirt).

5 in 5 is a reset that will follow a similar path to the next reset.
 

Goggles Paisano

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There are a lot of helpful Use Cases in those images. I've put The Robots to work on one of their most useful applications: converting image text to text text, below the AI Line below.

This round of lawsuits seems expected for this year, 2026 season
Guessing they will dwindle some more during next year, 2027 season
And then *mostly, fizzle out afterwards, 2028 season & beyond



D. Plaintiffs' Careers and the Specific Harm They Face

Each Plaintiff began playing NCAA basketball no earlier than the 2022-23 season—the first year of their college careers—and has competed for four seasons. None has redshirted. Each remains within the five-year eligibility window. Each would be eligible to compete in 2026-27 under the rule the NCAA made permanent on June 23, 2026. And each has been specifically excluded from that rule by the NCAA's arbitrary decision to carve out the class of 2022.....


Like this wasn't expected.

5 for 4 would have solved this.

Just saying. Add Levi and Mendez to the list for wrestling who will automatically qualify if these kids win, and I suspect they will.

Everytime the NCAA is challenged on anything legal related they either cave or lose.

They have created yet another mess here with 5 for 5 with arbitrary boundaries.

As seen before, the NCAA would be far better served if they fire their entire legal team and go with Jacoby & Meyers.
 
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Like this wasn't expected.

5 for 4 would have solved this.

Just saying. Add Levi and Mendez to the list for wrestling who will automatically qualify if these kids win, and I suspect they will.

Everytime the NCAA is challenged on anything legal related they either cave or lose.

They have created yet another mess here with 5 for 5 with arbitrary boundaries.

As seen before, the NCAA would be far better served if they fire their entire legal team and go with Jacoby & Meyers.
So far the only suit is in an Ohio state court involving athletes who competed at Ohio schools. I do not think that would set precedent for Penn State wrestlers. Of course, they say they have plans to file in many states. That will lead to all kinds of funky outcomes as different judges make different decisions. I am interested to see if anyone files in federal court.

At least in the Sorsby case, state court is where they wanted to keep it, but Ken Paxton screwed up when he sent his letter invoking freedom of speech which opened the door to the NCAA filing in federal court.
 

BriantheLion

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It's for those already enrolled since the rule was in place when said injury occurred. I'm not looking to argue either. That's a major issue on the boards my knowledge makes people think I'm looking to argue I'm not im just providing the information I have
It’s a waiver for a past injury… after next month, no waiver for a future injury.
 
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Actually, this is simply the first step towards 5 in 6. Someone in some sport will suffer a severe enough, public enough and freakish enough injury that there will be a huge swell of public opinion that "gee, it's really unfair he/she is going to lose a year because of that." It won't change because of the first occurrence, but after multiple occurrences there will either be a court case or a strong enough public push they will start granting redshirts again.

Since the late 60s we have moved from 3 in 4 (no freshman eligibility) to 4 in 4 (freshman eligible) to 4 in 5 (medical redshirts) to 4 in 6 (redhirts became just normal and if truly injured early enough in a season ask for a medical redshirt).

5 in 5 is a reset that will follow a similar path to the next reset.
I’m afraid you’re correct
 
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Appreciate your reply, but give me an example of anyone requesting a waiver extension by July 31?

Obviously by the old rules, Connor Mirasola (assuming doctor documented injuries) could have requested and probably received a medical redshirt (even after a RS). I read the July 31 waiver extension is a one time request to alter (increase) a wrestlers current eligibility. No further such extension requests will be accepted going forward. This is a transition rule extending the "old rules" one last time.

The Ono case may request an extension (supposedly NCAA only granted 1 year of eligibility). Does the 5 for 5 open the door for another year?

And if Kasak cannot wrestle this year because of concussions, by old rules he would be able to request a medical redshirt (I know he RS'd last year). I read the July 31 waiver extension request as a one time extending the "old rules" one last time.

Again, if I have this all wrong, please give me an example of a valid eligibility request needed to be submitted by July 31.
It's the same medical hardship process thats been in place for awhile now they just have to file it before July 31 or they won't be getting one. After July 31 no more medical hardship waivers will be accepted
 

mcpat

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I actually think this is disadvantageous to Penn State for the reasons Basch tweeted. No more using redshirts, Olympic redshirts, etc., to give everyone their shot in the lineup. Might be tougher to recruit and keep multiple studs at the same weight now.