UCLA, Harvard, Columbia, Cornell, where your daughters go... yeah, college kids being college kids, and in this case, dumb.
Fair enough.
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Not what I asked. Try again...
* Is there anyone you strongly disagree with whom you nevertheless consider reasonable?
* When have you ever stood up for anyone different from you?
On this board, when it comes to social or political, none of the liberals. I think your views are awful.
On the second question, Even though it's a stupid question, I'll play your silly game. Plenty of times. You don't know what I'm like in the real world. I've also explained that most everyone here has went sideways towards another poster. You just think I'm the only one. You're also not accepting any responsibility for the way you post. I'm not answering for others, but their back and forth with you suggest that I'm not sitting in that boat alone.
Now answer a question for me. Do you teach how you post on here? If so, you shouldn't be teaching.
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If Black students were being assaulted, harassed, and denied access to parts of their campus, would you be so quick to chalk up protestors’ Title 6 violations to youthful indiscretion? First you suggest that antisemitism isn’t really an issue on campuses. When presented with anecdotal evidence, you dismiss these behaviors as “rare” and “isolated”. After data is provided you pivot to “well if it is happening they’re just kids anyway”.
First denial, then minimizing, and finally rationalizion.
I've acknowledged my problematic posting, both privately with you and today, here, with @KDSTONE.
When you add "on this board," you're bad faith ducking the spirit of my question. The logical conclusion I have to draw here is that nobody with fundamental differences of belief from you is reasonable in your book. That makes you look really bad.
Saying "plenty of times" without an example doesn't mean anything. I asked because I've never seen you defend anyone who wasn't most of the demographics I've listed: white, cis, heterosexual, Christian, rural, conservative, and male. And like your opinion that no one who disagrees with you is reasonable, not being able to point to specific examples of people different from you whom you've spoken up for is what's stupid, not my question. You call my question stupid because it embarrasses you. You can't point to a single example just like you can't name a single person who is fundamentally different from you whop you think is reasonable. That makes you look uneducated, ignorant, closed-minded, with very limited experience beyond your hometown.
Your question? You asked once and I'm answering it now: no. I don't tell teenagers that what they said sounds uneducated, ignorant, closed-minded, & like they have very limited experience beyond their hometown. Of course not. But you better belief they know better than to disrespect anyone in my presence based on race, gender, religion, nationality, culture, sexual orientation, gender identity, political party, ability/disability, or immigration status. In Durham, that more often means I have to intervene on behalf of the rare conservative kid who sticks their foot in their mouth and is getting piled on. And that's how it is because announcing that your religious beliefs mean being gay is a sin in front of a gay classmate is inherently intimidating and hostile. Loudly denouncing Islam is unacceptable because it's also unacceptable to denounce Christianity, and not because it's my own faith, and not because they aren't equally protected from attack for being atheist.
Now, for conservatives, not being allowed to attack others feels like you're being oppressed because for most of this country's history, you've been allowed to shove your beliefs down others' throats, forcing them to live by your beliefs. I'm probably "woke" because I protect students from being attacked. Think about what that says about you. Think about how history is going to remember you. It's already happening.
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I'm not pivoting from anything. Both things are true. Look, antisemitism is terrible and shouldn't be tolerated or ignored. Criticism of Israel and Zionism is not inherently antisemitic and that speech must be protected just like Jewish students must be protected when criticism of Israel and Zionism does cross the line into antisemitism.
What "data" do you think you've presented? Have you given me statistics from the FBI? From nonpartisan hate group watchdogs (who the Trump Administration is also trying to prosecute)? All I've seen is you offer examples of a handful of things that all happened on college campuses. That's absolutely anecdotal until you provide the stats.
Ah... just went back and found a link you provided to ADL stats. I hadn't seen it before and I'm leaving everything I've already typed as a time capsule of where I was when I wrote it. Absolutely no denial, minimizing, or rationalization. I hadn't seen the link you posted.
Okay, @KDSTONE , that's very compelling evidence, though I do not consider ADL nonpartisan. I do like that they acknowledge that criticism of Israel is not inherently antisemitic. They stated that more emphatically than you tend to. They also mentioned Patriot Front and white supremacist groups... who vote Republican and whom you rarely if ever mention or acknowledge because you prefer demonizing liberal college kids.
There's a pretty clear correlation between Israel's haphazard attacks on Gaza and the rise they cite. They made the connection, as well. That doesn't excuse it, but it does connect dots. These things don't happen in a vacuum.
There's a pretty clear correlation between Israel's haphazard attacks on Gaza and the rise they cite. They made the connection, as well. That doesn't excuse it, but it does connect dots. These things don't happen in a vacuum.