Greg has one of the lowest win percentages of any active coach

RUTGERS95

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Whether its the correct approach or not - at least it's trying something different.

Instead of just saying "We need more money!" without any actual viable plan or forethought put into it.
agree

these are circular argument devoid of reality in today's operating environment. Football is the revenue driver and face of the school as part of a 1.3 billion enterprise. Not focusing on the success of this with as much as you can do is monumentally stupid.

in 10yrs when we're playing wake and Uconn each year, people will look back on our opportunity and wish we did more
 

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Remove lacrosse. Look at wrestling, volleyball, etc. There is no substitute for live programming. More platforms mean an even bigger desire for more live sports. This conversation has gotten silly. Rutgers does more to support football than many other schools in the Big Ten alone. If the fans of the program don’t further support it to necessary levels, that’s on them.
We’re in agreement here.

True and traditional B1G sports that matter for the conference and the individual schools that offer them.

Marketable too, especially WVBall.
 

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That’s all well and good. But was responding to “budget” opex vs capex.

Pulled from my attachment earlier.

Breakdown​


Coaches Compensation$26.36M (17%)
Non-Coaching Athletics Staff Compensation$22.91M (15%)




Breakdown

Coaches Compensation$47.74M (25%)
Non-Coaching Athletics Staff Compensation$31.43M (16%)

Take a wild guess which one is RU and which one is Va Tech. But we’re not spending!!
The numbers you pulled are not budgets, they are actual operating expense numbers for the most recent reporting period, fiscal year 2025.

Limited detail is reported on capital expenditures, such as facility renovations. Penn State regularly reports zero capital expenditures, which doesn't make sense because Penn State is doing a $700 million renovation to its football stadium. The cost of the renovation will ultimately show up in the actual operating expense numbers in the form of debt service expense.
 

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The numbers you pulled are not budgets, they are actual operating expense numbers for the most recent reporting period, fiscal year 2025.

Limited detail is reported on capital expenditures, such as facility renovations. Penn State regularly reports zero capital expenditures, which doesn't make sense because Penn State is doing a $700 million renovation to its football stadium. The cost of the renovation will ultimately show up in the actual operating expense numbers in the form of debt service expense.
Buddy. I know. I know how to rip apart a balance sheet and reports. As I said I was responding to a person that said we do not have enough money in the budget to compete.and yes I know the difference between capex and opex. I was actually the one that points it out earlier.
 
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Knight Shift

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The circle jerk by the same 5 or 6 guys is so repetitive their hands must be exhausted.
You call it a circle jerk.
There are more than 5 or 6 sharing facts, data and information and comparing to peers in and out of conference. A very useful exercise that is not emotional and purely factual. Which beats prostrating oneself before the shrine of Greg and lashing out at anyone who has any questions or reasoned analysis of his record as a head coach. Don't hurt yourself.
 
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Well since it’s not allowed we’ll never know, right? 😉

I do agree with you about an institution being very proud of their success across the athletic spectrum. Who wouldn’t be. It’s marketing 101 at its best. Nothing better than being able to toot your own horn.

Same for winning at the conference level too. I know you know this but maybe some others don’t, the first goal on the whiteboard in a legacy B1G school locker room is:
1. Win the B1G
Schools are allowed to have however many teams they want but the impact would be devastating.
 

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Please cut the crap. There is one single reason our defensive talent projects to be as poor as it does and it has very little to do with money. We let the entire portal season expire before putting a new DC in place. No marquis high major transfers were going to consider us without knowing who the coaching staff would be. Full stop.

The proof is on the other side of the ball. We clearly had the money to not only retain our top tier playmakers that would be desirable additions pretty much anywhere (Duff and Raymond), but we paid to bring in a QB from a high major conference (I don’t care what BC’s record is - Lonergan’s metrics are better than AK or Gavin’s ever were going into an offseason. He wasn’t “cheap” and it’s not even a guarantee he’s going to start. We are also paying a 3rd year developmental kid who was a a solid tier recruit - the room is arguably the deepest it’s been in eons). There are some questions at a few spots on the OL, but lets put it out on the table that the only reason the outlook for next season is as low as it is - is because of the above paragraph (1st one) - and again - it didn’t matter how much money we had, there were other teams who could’ve matched it and no top level player is choosing a program without knowing who the damn coaches will be. This isn’t a “minor” thing. It’s huge - and the reason odds are stacked against Johansen big time. Not “money”.

If your still not convinced that “money” is why we can’t have a decent defense- then look no further than the dang year your “Heisman candidate” broke all time incompletion records as a starter at RU, we chose to continue playing him, and still won 7 games despite that because of our strong defense (we were able to “afford” the cost of defensive players then, yes.

All this said - in the spirit of the Sorsby recovery lingo - I, unlike many, am giving Greg the acknowledgement credit that AFTER the damage was done, he did “the next right thing” in relinquishing all control and bringing in a brand new up and coming defensive staff to try to pick up the pieces. This doesn’t make up for the rest - not by a landslide - but for Johansen and the others he’s brought in’s sake - I’d like them to at least get a fair shake. Meaning - if they somehow come in and make noticable progress with the dumpster fire they inherited, I would want them to get another year to see if they could complete the transformation. Clearly - I’m in the minority on this. But you’re really off the wall on this money bandwagon with due respect.
Debating Asinine Al of LaMancha in a long post is a waste of your time. Keep it short.
 

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We’re in agreement here.

True and traditional B1G sports that matter for the conference and the individual schools that offer them.

Marketable too, especially WVBall.
That's the thing with the B1G and the thing we are on board with under this administration. They like to compete in everything, as they should. If you are a Rutgers fan, you should want anything emblazoned with Rutgers on it to be the very best. Winning begets winning. Show me a school that has a great football team and I will show you a school that has a lot of other great things too. It doesn't start with football. It starts everywhere.
 

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agree

these are circular argument devoid of reality in today's operating environment. Football is the revenue driver and face of the school as part of a 1.3 billion enterprise. Not focusing on the success of this with as much as you can do is monumentally stupid.

in 10yrs when we're playing wake and Uconn each year, people will look back on our opportunity and wish we did more
When you say "we", you mean the fans. The school is already doing more than enough.
 

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As knighshift said earlier. You have a problem with people supporting their argument with data. You on the other hand offer very little outside of emotion. Keep resorting to name calling. Seems to serve you well.
"Let the adults talk"- look in the mirror-- you're so mature and worldly and never call out people-- never name call --just the facts?? Repeat over and over, rehash the same garbage--- Schiano syndrome lives on in literally a thousand posts,mostly by those who think their do-do doesn't stink. Pompous BS artists.
 

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A better coaching staff isn’t coming to a place without money. So we would not be able to recruit as well, unless we’re hiring Urban Meyer, who has already said he isn’t coming to a place without money. It’s a minor miracle we’re recruiting as well as we are, given our financial constraints. As soon as prospective candidates hear our NIL Budget, they’ll laugh in our face. James Franklin is scheduled to make $13M in 2030. That’s double what Schiano is making today. His average salary over the duration of his contract is $8.2 M. Roughly $2M more than Schiano is making. It is going to take a lot more money to hire a “better” coach, plus pay off the existing staff.
We haven't got a single 4-star recruit. That is in no way any form of a miracle.
 
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Barring a disaster season, I'd be surprised if GS was let go. I still think the money left on the contract will be an issue. Also the new DC and some new staff got longer deals, 3 years iirc. (additional payouts). So he'll get his chance but it won't be indefinite. I've said this before, you don't see many coaches go this long without a winning conference record (which likely translates to 8-9 win season) stick around. So far it's 6 years without a winning conference record.

The 2 exceptions are Locksley who is on thin ice but has 7 years of losing conference records. Wilcox made it to year 9 at Cal before being fired. So GS probably has a little bit of time but not forever.

One scenario that popped into my head that I suppose could shorten the time table might be if by some chance the defense showed something with this new DC and it still didn't materialize to wins. Maybe you could see one of those short interim deals you see at times just to have a new voice, save money for a bit and see what he can do. If he didn't work out then move on.
 
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"Let the adults talk"- look in the mirror-- you're so mature and worldly and never call out people-- never name call --just the facts?? Repeat over and over, rehash the same garbage--- Schiano syndrome lives on in literally a thousand posts,mostly by those who think their do-do doesn't stink. Pompous BS artists.
Are you capable of a response without resort to insults, name-calling and attacking others? That's a rhetorical question.

Here are two questions for you:

1. Do you think that 3-6 and 2-7 conference records acceptable for a head coach in the 5th and 7th year of his tenure?
2. Greg's contract runs until he is 64 years old in 2030-let's assume his record is 6-6/3-6 (in conference)- does this merit an extension, and how long of an extension do you think is merited.

Have a nice evening, sir.
 
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Barring a disaster season, I'd be surprised if GS was let go. I still think the money left on the contract will be an issue. Also the new DC and some new staff got longer deals, 3 years iirc. (additional payouts). So he'll get his chance but it won't be indefinite. I've said this before, you don't see many coaches go this long without a winning conference record (which likely translates to 8-9 win season) stick around. So far it's 6 years without a winning conference record.

The 2 exceptions are Locksley who is on thin ice but has 7 years of losing conference records. Wilcox made it to year 9 at Cal before being fired. So GS probably has a little bit of time but not forever.

One scenario that popped into my head that I suppose could shorten the time table might be if by some chance the defense showed something with this new DC and it still didn't materialize to wins. Maybe you could see one of those short interim deals you see at times just to have a new voice, save money for a bit and see what he can do. If he didn't work out then move on.
Nice to hear from a usual voice of reason. In your last scenario, are you suggesting that the DC gets the HC job like Braun did at Northwestern?
 
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Nice to hear from a usual voice of reason. In your last scenario, are you suggesting that the DC gets the HC job like Braun did at Northwestern?
Yea along those lines and others schools at times have done similar as well. Braun did well enough initially that he was able to stick around longer. Mind you this assumes that the defense shows something under Johansen but for whatever reason the wins didn't materialize. Then maybe you can see what he does in the short term as a new voice, save a little money and see what he can do. If nothing then move on and if something, then he sticks around longer.

Barring disaster, I feel like 2 years is likely under GS or potentially someone from the staff. If he gets at least 5 wins, I think he'll be here next year...maybe even 4. 3 wins would be dicey imo. I don't know that I'd stick with those same metrics for next year. That could be a more do or die year in terms of winning conference record.
 

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"Let the adults talk"- look in the mirror-- you're so mature and worldly and never call out people-- never name call --just the facts?? Repeat over and over, rehash the same garbage--- Schiano syndrome lives on in literally a thousand posts,mostly by those who think their do-do doesn't stink. Pompous BS artists.
Show me where I have ever called someone a name. Not me pal. Data no emotion. I like Greg. But it’s time to put up or shut up.
Dig deeper and continue to post with emotion. Because facts seem to trigger you.
 

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Yea along those lines and others schools at times have done similar as well. Braun did well enough initially that he was able to stick around longer. Mind you this assumes that the defense shows something under Johansen but for whatever reason the wins didn't materialize. Then maybe you can see what he does in the short term as a new voice, save a little money and see what he can do. If nothing then move on and if something, then he sticks around longer.

Barring disaster, I feel like 2 years is likely under GS or potentially someone from the staff. If he gets at least 5 wins, I think he'll be here next year...maybe even 4. 3 wins would be dicey imo. I don't know that I'd stick with those same metrics for next year. That could be a more do or die year in terms of winning conference record.
I'm kind of with you. But how do you define "disaster."
I have a couple of possible definitions.
2-7 in conference is a disaster, no further questions asked, so long, Greg.
3-6 in conference with a loss to BC is another disaster, hit the road.
3-6 in conference and 2 or more massive blowouts (25 points or more) is another disaster- thank you very much, good luck, Greg.
 

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Show me where I have ever called someone a name. Not me pal. Data no emotion. I like Greg. But it’s time to put up or shut up.
Dig deeper and continue to post with emotion. Because facts seem to trigger you.
I guess you conviently forgot that a few hours ago you said you were the adult and therefore i was not. I'm not a child and the continuous hate campaign some of you guys pursue against Schiano and other coaches isn't exactly mature but it's certainly a never ending useless diatribe.
 
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Yea along those lines and others schools at times have done similar as well. Braun did well enough initially that he was able to stick around longer. Mind you this assumes that the defense shows something under Johansen but for whatever reason the wins didn't materialize. Then maybe you can see what he does in the short term as a new voice, save a little money and see what he can do. If nothing then move on and if something, then he sticks around longer.

Barring disaster, I feel like 2 years is likely under GS or potentially someone from the staff. If he gets at least 5 wins, I think he'll be here next year...maybe even 4. 3 wins would be dicey imo. I don't know that I'd stick with those same metrics for next year. That could be a more do or die year in terms of winning conference record.
I tend to agree with you. Barring major disaster he has 2 years. Where I disagree is Zinn handing the reigns to someone on staff. Will never happen. She is champing at the bit to make a hire. It’s what every AD dreams of. She has a list and knows what it will take to get them here. Last sentence of your post I 100% agree with. This year some flexibility 6-6 may get it done. Next year that same record absolutely will not.
 

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I guess you conviently forgot that a few hours ago you said you were the adult and therefore i was not. I'm not a child and the continuous hate campaign some of you guys pursue against Schiano and other coaches isn't exactly mature but it's certainly a never ending useless diatribe.
You have not countered a single thing posted here with anything factual. You are of course free to disagree, but it would be illuminating and interesting to hear your basis for why you think Greg should get an extension or why you think his seat should not be warm. Take, for example, what @rutgersguy2 posted above. He is not a "hater." He posted objective facts about other situations and coaches that are somewhat similar to the situation at Rutgers. But again, every single post of yours in this thread and elsewhere is nothing more than an angry tirade of insults and name-calling. Be better, sir!
 

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You have not countered a single thing posted here with anything factual. You are of course free to disagree, but it would be illuminating and interesting to hear your basis for why you think Greg should get an extension or why you think his seat should not be warm. Take, for example, what @rutgersguy2 posted above. He is not a "hater." He posted objective facts about other situations and coaches that are somewhat similar to the situation at Rutgers. But again, every single post of yours in this thread and elsewhere is nothing more than an angry tirade of insults and name-calling. Be better, sir!
just put him on ignore, you'll save yourself a lot of rolled eyes and laughter (the only bad thing). He is the old man yelling at clouds lol
 
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I guess you conviently forgot that a few hours ago you said you were the adult and therefore i was not. I'm not a child and the continuous hate campaign some of you guys pursue against Schiano and other coaches isn't exactly mature but it's certainly a never ending useless diatribe.
That’s name calling? Thin skinned are we? That was in direct response to you throwing names at multiple people in this thread. All you have to do is look at your last 20 or so posts. Almost all of them had a negative thing to say about 1 or multiple people in those posts. Many of them where you called people names. There is no pursuit against Schiano no hate campaign by most in this thread. It’s what this site is built around. People discussing. People agreeing and disagreeing (without name calling by the mature ones on this site at least). People using data. Yet here you are not adding anything material to the conversation.
 
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Please cut the crap. There is one single reason our defensive talent projects to be as poor as it does and it has very little to do with money. We let the entire portal season expire before putting a new DC in place. No marquis high major transfers were going to consider us without knowing who the coaching staff would be. Full stop.

The proof is on the other side of the ball. We clearly had the money to not only retain our top tier playmakers that would be desirable additions pretty much anywhere (Duff and Raymond), but we paid to bring in a QB from a high major conference (I don’t care what BC’s record is - Lonergan’s metrics are better than AK or Gavin’s ever were going into an offseason. He wasn’t “cheap” and it’s not even a guarantee he’s going to start. We are also paying a 3rd year developmental kid who was a a solid tier recruit - the room is arguably the deepest it’s been in eons). There are some questions at a few spots on the OL, but lets put it out on the table that the only reason the outlook for next season is as low as it is - is because of the above paragraph (1st one) - and again - it didn’t matter how much money we had, there were other teams who could’ve matched it and no top level player is choosing a program without knowing who the damn coaches will be. This isn’t a “minor” thing. It’s huge - and the reason odds are stacked against Johansen big time. Not “money”.

If your still not convinced that “money” is why we can’t have a decent defense- then look no further than the dang year your “Heisman candidate” broke all time incompletion records as a starter at RU, we chose to continue playing him, and still won 7 games despite that because of our strong defense (we were able to “afford” the cost of defensive players then, yes.

All this said - in the spirit of the Sorsby recovery lingo - I, unlike many, am giving Greg the acknowledgement credit that AFTER the damage was done, he did “the next right thing” in relinquishing all control and bringing in a brand new up and coming defensive staff to try to pick up the pieces. This doesn’t make up for the rest - not by a landslide - but for Johansen and the others he’s brought in’s sake - I’d like them to at least get a fair shake. Meaning - if they somehow come in and make noticable progress with the dumpster fire they inherited, I would want them to get another year to see if they could complete the transformation. Clearly - I’m in the minority on this. But you’re really off the wall on this money bandwagon with due respect.
I think you’re more of a basketball fan than football fan. If you don’t see a money problem, then you are lost, because the lack of quality linemen is obvious. It’s going to be a push for us to get 6 wins. 7 would be Schiano’s most effective coaching job ever.

The Front 7 is a mess due to lack of money. When you’re counting on a transfer DT, Doug Blue, to be your best player, who didn’t even play last year, you’ve got big problems, especially when your peers are paying top dollar for recruits. The OL hopefully will be serviceable, but the jury is out. I’m particularly concerned about Tackle, one of which has struggled against top flight competition.

it is hard to win games, when your DL looks like they are playing on roller skates. That’s why a lot of teams ran the ball at will on us.

With all due respect, money is the biggest reason our recruiting, especially our transfer recruiting is not up to par. We could have had all the defensive coaches in place, Dec 1st, and the best recruits in the portal still would not have considered us, because Rutgers and especially its fanbase is not serious about football success. How do you demonstrate seriousness? Money. That’s why we’ve only landed one five star recruit in our HISTORY- Darius Hamilton.

For 157 years, a school our size hasn’t won one serious national championship. It’s not due to geography. It’s due to financial support. Ohio State and Michigan both built their stadiums from funds raised from fans. Rutgers needed government handouts to build both of its stadiums. And that has continued till today. Rutgers is next to Maryland when it comes to donations. But to their credit, Maryland built a brand new Fieldhouse. But their NIL fundraising is similar to ours.

You put enough 0’s at the end of the check, you can get whichever player you want. It’s called a risk premium. We don’t have enough money to even dream of doing that. We are limited as to the caliber of player, especially lineman we can recruit.

Last year, the coaches were in place and our transfer defensive ends weren’t any good.

This year, Our season largely hinges how effective defensive ends from Toledo and Tulsa are. If in 2020, you were to tell me our ‘26 season largely hinges how good our MAC transfers are, I’d say you were nuts. Yet here we are. Last years Defensive End transfers were not up to par, which is why we only only had 9 sacks all year.

This is very disappointing, because by year 7, I expected to have a pipeline of high school players who were not only effective starters, but also effective reserves. So what happened. NIL happened, which is why it has been especially difficult to recruit linemen. There is not one OL or DL starter from the ‘23 or ‘24 or ‘25 classes, because we were not able to recruit enough quality linemen. Some took a bag and left. Most were not good enough. There are 2 starters from the ‘22 class, Chin and Asamoah. Farrell Gnago and Taj White left via the portal.

How good our QB is remains to be seen. Last year Athan was a plus player. If this years Qb isn’t as good, which is likely going to be the case, it’s going to be that much more difficult to win games. CBS has us at 4.5 wins, which seems reasonable.
 
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I think you’re more of a basketball fan than football fan. If you don’t see a money problem, then you are lost, because the lack of quality linemen is obvious. It’s going to be a push for us to get 6 wins. 7 would be Schiano’s most effective coaching job ever.

The Front 7 is a mess due to lack of money. When you’re counting on a transfer DT, Doug Blue, to be your best player, who didn’t even play last year, you’ve got big problems, especially when your peers are paying top dollar for recruits. The OL hopefully will be serviceable, but the jury is out. I’m particularly concerned about Tackle, one of which has struggled against top flight competition.

it is hard to win games, when your DL looks like they are playing on roller skates. That’s why a lot of teams ran the ball at will on us.

With all due respect, money is the biggest reason our recruiting, especially our transfer recruiting is not up to par. We could have had all the defensive coaches in place, Dec 1st, and the best recruits in the portal still would not have considered us, because Rutgers and especially its fanbase is not serious about football success. How do you demonstrate seriousness? Money. That’s why we’ve only landed one five star recruit in our HISTORY- Darius Hamilton.

For 157 years, a school our size hasn’t won one serious national championship. It’s not due to geography. It’s due to financial support. Ohio State and Michigan both built their stadiums from funds raised from fans. Rutgers needed government handouts to build both of its stadiums. And that has continued till today. Rutgers is next to Maryland when it comes to donations. But to their credit, Maryland built a brand new Fieldhouse. But their NIL fundraising is similar to ours.

You put enough 0’s at the end of the check, you can get whichever player you want. It’s called a risk premium. We don’t have enough money to even dream of doing that. We are limited as to the caliber of player, especially lineman we can recruit.

Last year, the coaches were in place and our transfer defensive ends weren’t any good.

This year, Our season largely hinges how effective defensive ends from Toledo and Tulsa are. If in 2020, you were to tell me our ‘26 season largely hinges how good our MAC transfers are, I’d say you were nuts. Yet here we are. Last years Defensive End transfers were not up to par, which is why we only only had 9 sacks all year.

This is very disappointing, because by year 7, I expected to have a pipeline of high school players who were not only effective starters, but also effective reserves. So what happened. NIL happened, which is why it has been especially difficult to recruit linemen. There is not one OL or DL starter from the ‘23 or ‘24 or ‘25 classes, because we were not able to recruit enough quality linemen. Some took a bag and left. Most were not good enough. There are 2 starters from the ‘22 class, Chin and Asamoah. Farrell Gnago and Taj White left via the portal.

How good our QB is remains to be seen. Last year Athan was a plus player. If this years Qb isn’t as good, which is likely going to be the case, it’s going to be that much more difficult to win games. CBS has us at 4.5 wins, which seems reasonable.
So no upset alerts?
 

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You have not countered a single thing posted here with anything factual. You are of course free to disagree, but it would be illuminating and interesting to hear your basis for why you think Greg should get an extension or why you think his seat should not be warm. Take, for example, what @rutgersguy2 posted above. He is not a "hater." He posted objective facts about other situations and coaches that are somewhat similar to the situation at Rutgers. But again, every single post of yours in this thread and elsewhere is nothing more than an angry tirade of insults and name-calling. Be better, sir!
Now, Mr .Smarty ,who thinks he's so smart ,factual and mature, where did I ever comment about giving Schiano an extension---I have never offered an opinion, one way or another. Other than saying firing coaches is a lazy , simplistic attempt to solve a schools issues , fermented by those with a Schiano derangement syndrome ,attested by the constant,repetitive attacks. I also said Schiano will not be here forever and Tate and Zinn have the opinions that matter, not those that lend " support" with their mouths.And the hate campaign is real ---read 95's posts-- plus the guy preaches that having students at RU of different diversities is detrimental ( seems racist to me) and that a person's wealth or job title determines his value---pompous azz hst.
 
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Now, Mr .Smarty ,who thinks he's so smart ,factual and mature, where did I ever comment about giving Schiano an extension---I have never offered an opinion, one way or another. Other than saying firing coaches is a lazy , simplistic attempt to solve a schools issues , fermented by those with a Schiano derangement syndrome ,attested by the constant,repetitive attacks. I also said Schiano will not be here forever and Tate and Zinn have the opinions that matter, not those that lend " support" with their mouths.And the hate campaign is real ---read 95's posts-- plus the guy preaches that having students at RU of different diversities is detrimental ( seems racist to me) and that a person's wealth or job title determines his value---pompous azz hst.
Thank you for your reply. I have no comment on what you said about 95's posts on other topics, as I don't track his or other's posts on every topic. But on his posts about the immediate topic at hand, Greg"s record, he is more vocal than other posters, but this is the Rutgers football board, where fans discuss, debate, disagree and argue over the direction of the football program. Fan is short for fanatic, and a fanatic is defined as a person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause. Few, if any, have advocated firing Schiano immediately. But you lumped 5-6 posters together and attacked because you disagree with them. Again, nobody has said anything about hating Schiano. He has been praised for righting the program and running a clean program. Entering year 7 of his second tenure as HC, many feel a winning record in conference is a reasonable ask. It's also a reasonable topic to discuss what the floor is if this season does not go well.

You mentioned derangement syndrome, but you counter with a lot of vitriol and name-calling. This sounds familiar, and models the behavior of someone else who responds to anyone disagreeing with him by going on unhinged rants on social media, attacking those who disagree with him. That is a weak way to behave, and everyone would be better served by reasoned debate of facts and potential solutions, instead of personal attacks.

You are correct in that Keli Zinn's and Pres. Tate's opinions matter. In fact, what has been discussed in this thread basically echoes what Keli Zinn herself has said:
"Competing for championships.

And I recognize we’re in a league where you’ve got some real powerhouse programs, but that’s the beauty of sports, right? When you take young men and have people around them who have so much pride, energy and passion and ability to punch above their weight. And you just need to beat those programs once, right?"

Keli wants to win championships and teams that punch above their weight. The discussion in this thread is not even asking for those aspirations. Just a winning record in conference and beating teams like Michigan State and Nebraska. It's unclear why these aspirations are so offensive to you.

Have a good day, and go RU.


 

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Quick question, and I mean no harm…

Is the 66 your graduation year or the year you were born?
Quick question and I mean no harm ??why does this matter to you or are you just another simple minded guy that wants to attack someone's age.You know in the real world that question would get you into alot of trouble.
 
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Quick question and I mean no harm ??why does this matter to you or are you just another simple minded guy that wants to attack someone's age.You know in the real world that question would get you into alot of trouble.
There you go again. . . . . You should realize that you are attacking an esteemed FDNY firefighter. Many of us know e5fdny personally, and he does not have a mean bone in his body. As a matter of fact, I have personally witnessed several instances of e5 going out of his way in random acts of kindness to help others in times of need. He preceded his question with he meant no harm, but in your usual form, you go on the attack. You remind me of someone else who can't seem to handle truth and the simplest of questions or topics without attacking, denigrating and belittling others. Unfortunately, many acolytes of this person seem to have adopted the same behavior as de rigueur. I have news for you, it is not. It is a sad reflection on where we are. Hating people who disagree with you, name-calling, belittling others when they may have a reasoned, or a better position than you.

As for your last sentence, in what world outside of any employment setting is asking someone's age or year of graduation something that would get someone in a lot of trouble?
 

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There you go again. . . . . You should realize that you are attacking an esteemed FDNY firefighter. Many of us know e5fdny personally, and he does not have a mean bone in his body. As a matter of fact, I have personally witnessed several instances of e5 going out of his way in random acts of kindness to help others in times of need. He preceded his question with he meant no harm, but in your usual form, you go on the attack. You remind me of someone else who can't seem to handle truth and the simplest of questions or topics without attacking, denigrating and belittling others. Unfortunately, many acolytes of this person seem to have adopted the same behavior as de rigueur. I have news for you, it is not. It is a sad reflection on where we are. Hating people who disagree with you, name-calling, belittling others when they may have a reasoned, or a better position than you.

As for your last sentence, in what world outside of any employment setting is asking someone's age or year of graduation something that would get someone in a lot of trouble?
that cat is on ignore for me as willful ignorance should be a crime. I do see your response so can only imagine. will say this, E5 is one of my favorite persons here! he's pure class .........
 
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2.0 Overall Record is 31-41 or 43%. Even with Locksley. Who will be gone first ? Money is on Locksley gone after this season…..perhaps Greg joins him. It would be hilarious if Locksley has a better record than Greg but only he is fired.
Yeah, I can tell you that there's zero percent chance Locksley isn't fired unless he comes up with at least 6 wins. Given the state of the fan base, I expected his ouster after last season (4-8). I'd say more fans wanted him fired then retained last December, and there is an ambitious new athletic director on the scene.

However, many in the fan base (and I might be one of them) think that he will indeed win at least 6 this year, which will create a real mess. The thinking is that with so many freshmen and sophomores playing last year (nearly all of them are back), and so many close losses that came down to the last 3-4 minutes, they can expect an uptick this season.

The mess this creates, obviously, is whether a better path should be sought after so many years of failure. And honestly, all those kids who came back this year will likely be gone via the portal if they excel this season. They'll have multiple years of eligibility left during which they can make serious bank in other programs.

I feel like programs such as Maryland and Rutgers are on permanent "sine wave" trajectory. Bottoming out at 3-4 wins, accumulating/retaining/developing talent and hitting 6-7 wins, and then hitting the next trough, on and on...
 
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that cat is on ignore for me as willful ignorance should be a crime. I do see your response so can only imagine. will say this, E5 is one of my favorite persons here! he's pure class .........
And e5fdny and I, nor do you and I, agree on everything. And that's perfectly OK (I think?). This is a forum- a place where ideas are exchanged and debated. I'm not sure if there is a Rutgers football cult board, but I want no part of a cult. 😂
 
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Quick question and I mean no harm ??why does this matter to you or are you just another simple minded guy that wants to attack someone's age.You know in the real world that question would get you into alot of trouble.
No worries. You answered it.

Big and B1G picture, we all want the same thing for Rutgers.

To paraphrase McArthur, “It’s Rutgers, Rutgers, Rutgers.”
 

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And e5fdny and I, nor do you and I, agree on everything. And that's perfectly OK (I think?). This is a forum- a please where ideas are exchanged and debated. I'm not sure if there is a Rutgers football cult board, but I want no part of a cult. 😂
agree, no one can agree all the time and there are valid points to boths sides of most issues

I feel like the round table is more in the Greg camp with some really weak and odd takes by some. Here at least, you get more back and forth with some perspective.

just my opinion is worth less than .02 cents lol
 
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I'll never understand people's obsession with blindly defending. There are a lot of facts and data points in this thread that speak to body of work. I know it offends some (don't care, people are incredibly soft today) but I stand by what I said on level of employment and success. The takes by many scream to people that have had very little accountability in the professional world or are just ignorant.

he's paid to win, he's paid to raise Rutgers football to acceptable levels of success and he's failed

Greg would not be employed at any other school this long and that includes MD.
 

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Schiano had NIL issues like every coach at Rutgers. To his credit, he was able to raise some funds on his own until Keli's arrival. That is admirable. But he has a track record. Even when he was receiving virtually all the funds the department had, prior to NIL, he still wasn't able to bring home the bacon in the watered down conference we were in, while outspending everyone else.

More money will make Schiano's team more competitive on the balance, but he will never win big. It doesn't matter how much NIL he has. He had OSU level talent and couldn't make his defense truly elite. He's simply not great at the one thing you need to be great at to win big. Actual coaching.
 
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