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RomanHawk

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For the last couple of decades, I've felt that the biggest program weaknesses were the offense and recruiting.
The offense, if not in a complete turnaround, appears at least, to be on the road to recovery.

Recruiting; not so much. We have been recruiting at an 8-4 level for years and continue to do so.
Many talk about NIL being the problem and I'm sure that's a factor in some cases. But I don't see where
that has significantly impacted our results relative to other teams.

It appears that the staff works hard on recruiting. IMO the problem is not effort, but rather methodology.
We are identifying a solid group of prospects, nurturing them along with visits and communication, and securing
a commitment from some of them. The problem is that too often, those commitment are coming from our
4th or fifth choice at their position. To go from a 8-4 team to a 10-2 team we need more difference makers
(4 and 5 stars).

I reviewed the 2027 lists of offers, visits, and commitments, with special attention to players from other states
who chose to leave their home state. To me, that means we were probably outrecruited for those players.
Missouri, NE, IL, even MSU, and others are notable. My guess is that each of those schools has a "closing
recruiter" better than anyone on our staff.

What is a "closing recruiter"? Many would say it's some high pressure guy. No. Bernie Wyatt was the best out-
of-state recruiter we've had in the last 50 years and pressure was never associated with his results. "Ace" recruiters
like Bernie can be improved but not developed. It requires a set of innate characteristics that very few football coaches
process.

An improved methodology starts with the acquisition of an Ace recruiter as one of the position coaches. He would be the
most important guy on the staff behind only the coordinators. Those guys are few and far between but they are out there
and with KF's connections, he could find one if he were so inclined.

The next step is, each year, to develop a list of maybe 25 high level, out -of -state recruits who have no strong allegiance to their
home state school or any other school. That list becomes the Ace's assignment and he is expected to get commitments
from maybe 5 or 6 of them.

How does he do that? Each situation is different and the Ace has the ability to recognize the keys in each situation and react optimally.
Some of the kids rely heavily on their coach so the coach has to be convinced that Iowa is the kid's best option. Or maybe it's one or both parents.
He has to go past the kid's expressed hot issues and go much deeper, probably reaching areas of which even the kid is unaware ( Iowa City as a location,
course of study, style of play, friends at Iowa, BIG10 exposure, hunting and fishing opportunities,...... The possibilities are almost endless .but the Ace finds them.

Meanwhile, the staff continues what they are doing now. But at the end, adding 5-6 top recruits to their efforts, makes all the difference.
 

eyesofhawk

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For the last couple of decades, I've felt that the biggest program weaknesses were the offense and recruiting.
The offense, if not in a complete turnaround, appears at least, to be on the road to recovery.

Recruiting; not so much. We have been recruiting at an 8-4 level for years and continue to do so.
Many talk about NIL being the problem and I'm sure that's a factor in some cases. But I don't see where
that has significantly impacted our results relative to other teams.

It appears that the staff works hard on recruiting. IMO the problem is not effort, but rather methodology.
We are identifying a solid group of prospects, nurturing them along with visits and communication, and securing
a commitment from some of them. The problem is that too often, those commitment are coming from our
4th or fifth choice at their position. To go from a 8-4 team to a 10-2 team we need more difference makers
(4 and 5 stars).

I reviewed the 2027 lists of offers, visits, and commitments, with special attention to players from other states
who chose to leave their home state. To me, that means we were probably outrecruited for those players.
Missouri, NE, IL, even MSU, and others are notable. My guess is that each of those schools has a "closing
recruiter" better than anyone on our staff.

What is a "closing recruiter"? Many would say it's some high pressure guy. No. Bernie Wyatt was the best out-
of-state recruiter we've had in the last 50 years and pressure was never associated with his results. "Ace" recruiters
like Bernie can be improved but not developed. It requires a set of innate characteristics that very few football coaches
process.

An improved methodology starts with the acquisition of an Ace recruiter as one of the position coaches. He would be the
most important guy on the staff behind only the coordinators. Those guys are few and far between but they are out there
and with KF's connections, he could find one if he were so inclined.

The next step is, each year, to develop a list of maybe 25 high level, out -of -state recruits who have no strong allegiance to their
home state school or any other school. That list becomes the Ace's assignment and he is expected to get commitments
from maybe 5 or 6 of them.

How does he do that? Each situation is different and the Ace has the ability to recognize the keys in each situation and react optimally.
Some of the kids rely heavily on their coach so the coach has to be convinced that Iowa is the kid's best option. Or maybe it's one or both parents.
He has to go past the kid's expressed hot issues and go much deeper, probably reaching areas of which even the kid is unaware ( Iowa City as a location,
course of study, style of play, friends at Iowa, BIG10 exposure, hunting and fishing opportunities,...... The possibilities are almost endless .but the Ace finds them.

Meanwhile, the staff continues what they are doing now. But at the end, adding 5-6 top recruits to their efforts, makes all the difference.
Do you have immediate availability?
 

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Iowa had the 23rd best recruiting class nationally last year. This class will be smaller which will affect their ranking this year.

Iowa develops 3 star talent into NFL caliber talent. Getting their type of players is more important than star ratings.
 
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Personally, I think there are a few positions where we should be recruiting 4 star talent or higher regularly: Running Back, OLine, Linebacker, and DB. These are some of the most successful positions we have on the team in terms of honors and draft prospects.

I understand that the staff look for certain characteristics both on and off the field, but i think it's clear that developing talent only gets you so far. Sure, we'll beat the bottom half of the big ten, but when teams like Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, and occasionally Penn State come along, we end up saying "How much are we going to lose by?" due to the sheer talent difference.

I think this is one of the keys to get Iowa to that next level.
 

eyesofhawk

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Personally, I think there are a few positions where we should be recruiting 4 star talent or higher regularly: Running Back, OLine, Linebacker, and DB. These are some of the most successful positions we have on the team in terms of honors and draft prospects.

I understand that the staff look for certain characteristics both on and off the field, but i think it's clear that developing talent only gets you so far. Sure, we'll beat the bottom half of the big ten, but when teams like Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, and occasionally Penn State come along, we end up saying "How much are we going to lose by?" due to the sheer talent difference.

I think this is one of the keys to get Iowa to that next level.
New to Iowa football?

Go look at KF's record vs PSU and Michigan. Plenty of other big wins.

Plus KF has a winning record vs the spread (even beating the juice), which amounts to outperforming the expectations.

"Bottom half of the league." What a joke.

And it doesn’t matter if a game is lost by 1 or 30 points
 
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Personally, I think there are a few positions where we should be recruiting 4 star talent or higher regularly: Running Back, OLine, Linebacker, and DB. These are some of the most successful positions we have on the team in terms of honors and draft prospects.

I understand that the staff look for certain characteristics both on and off the field, but i think it's clear that developing talent only gets you so far. Sure, we'll beat the bottom half of the big ten, but when teams like Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, and occasionally Penn State come along, we end up saying "How much are we going to lose by?" due to the sheer talent difference.

I think this is one of the keys to get Iowa to that next level.
RB position has been a bit of a head scratcher lately. Personally I think that Iowa has continued to recruit well at OL, LB, and DB. The difference between Iowa and the top programs IMO is QB. Last year getting Bessinger was a huge W, add in some WRs and we are cooking.
 

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Iowa had the 23rd best recruiting class nationally last year. This class will be smaller which will affect their ranking this year.

Iowa develops 3 star talent into NFL caliber talent. Getting their type of players is more important than star ratings.
Forget about all the nfl talent Iowa produces. This guy knows way more than the coaching staff. Not only can he give star rating he also can tell an 8-4 recruit from a 10-2 recruit. Amazing
 

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And now we just missed out on 2 more priority offensive linemen. Kittrell and Kuhn. I think Reilly was recruited as a DT so that leaves Brenneman as our only O line commit. Missed on Johnson and Halliman as well as others. OP is not wrong to be concerned imo.
 

WeBeHerkin

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And now we just missed out on 2 more priority offensive linemen. Kittrell and Kuhn. I think Reilly was recruited as a DT so that leaves Brenneman as our only O line commit. Missed on Johnson and Halliman as well as others. OP is not wrong to be concerned imo.
oh lawdy.. remember we are in the transfer portal era.
 
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For the last couple of decades, I've felt that the biggest program weaknesses were the offense and recruiting.
The offense, if not in a complete turnaround, appears at least, to be on the road to recovery.

Recruiting; not so much. We have been recruiting at an 8-4 level for years and continue to do so.
Many talk about NIL being the problem and I'm sure that's a factor in some cases. But I don't see where
that has significantly impacted our results relative to other teams.

It appears that the staff works hard on recruiting. IMO the problem is not effort, but rather methodology.
We are identifying a solid group of prospects, nurturing them along with visits and communication, and securing
a commitment from some of them. The problem is that too often, those commitment are coming from our
4th or fifth choice at their position. To go from a 8-4 team to a 10-2 team we need more difference makers
(4 and 5 stars).

I reviewed the 2027 lists of offers, visits, and commitments, with special attention to players from other states
who chose to leave their home state. To me, that means we were probably outrecruited for those players.
Missouri, NE, IL, even MSU, and others are notable. My guess is that each of those schools has a "closing
recruiter" better than anyone on our staff.

What is a "closing recruiter"? Many would say it's some high pressure guy. No. Bernie Wyatt was the best out-
of-state recruiter we've had in the last 50 years and pressure was never associated with his results. "Ace" recruiters
like Bernie can be improved but not developed. It requires a set of innate characteristics that very few football coaches
process.

An improved methodology starts with the acquisition of an Ace recruiter as one of the position coaches. He would be the
most important guy on the staff behind only the coordinators. Those guys are few and far between but they are out there
and with KF's connections, he could find one if he were so inclined.

The next step is, each year, to develop a list of maybe 25 high level, out -of -state recruits who have no strong allegiance to their
home state school or any other school. That list becomes the Ace's assignment and he is expected to get commitments
from maybe 5 or 6 of them.

How does he do that? Each situation is different and the Ace has the ability to recognize the keys in each situation and react optimally.
Some of the kids rely heavily on their coach so the coach has to be convinced that Iowa is the kid's best option. Or maybe it's one or both parents.
He has to go past the kid's expressed hot issues and go much deeper, probably reaching areas of which even the kid is unaware ( Iowa City as a location,
course of study, style of play, friends at Iowa, BIG10 exposure, hunting and fishing opportunities,...... The possibilities are almost endless .but the Ace finds them.

Meanwhile, the staff continues what they are doing now. But at the end, adding 5-6 top recruits to their efforts, makes all the difference.
Too bad ol' Ed Orgeron has been hired already. :(
 

iahawkeyes17

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For the last couple of decades, I've felt that the biggest program weaknesses were the offense and recruiting.
The offense, if not in a complete turnaround, appears at least, to be on the road to recovery.

Recruiting; not so much. We have been recruiting at an 8-4 level for years and continue to do so.
Many talk about NIL being the problem and I'm sure that's a factor in some cases. But I don't see where
that has significantly impacted our results relative to other teams.

It appears that the staff works hard on recruiting. IMO the problem is not effort, but rather methodology.
We are identifying a solid group of prospects, nurturing them along with visits and communication, and securing
a commitment from some of them. The problem is that too often, those commitment are coming from our
4th or fifth choice at their position. To go from a 8-4 team to a 10-2 team we need more difference makers
(4 and 5 stars).

I reviewed the 2027 lists of offers, visits, and commitments, with special attention to players from other states
who chose to leave their home state. To me, that means we were probably outrecruited for those players.
Missouri, NE, IL, even MSU, and others are notable. My guess is that each of those schools has a "closing
recruiter" better than anyone on our staff.

What is a "closing recruiter"? Many would say it's some high pressure guy. No. Bernie Wyatt was the best out-
of-state recruiter we've had in the last 50 years and pressure was never associated with his results. "Ace" recruiters
like Bernie can be improved but not developed. It requires a set of innate characteristics that very few football coaches
process.

An improved methodology starts with the acquisition of an Ace recruiter as one of the position coaches. He would be the
most important guy on the staff behind only the coordinators. Those guys are few and far between but they are out there
and with KF's connections, he could find one if he were so inclined.

The next step is, each year, to develop a list of maybe 25 high level, out -of -state recruits who have no strong allegiance to their
home state school or any other school. That list becomes the Ace's assignment and he is expected to get commitments
from maybe 5 or 6 of them.

How does he do that? Each situation is different and the Ace has the ability to recognize the keys in each situation and react optimally.
Some of the kids rely heavily on their coach so the coach has to be convinced that Iowa is the kid's best option. Or maybe it's one or both parents.
He has to go past the kid's expressed hot issues and go much deeper, probably reaching areas of which even the kid is unaware ( Iowa City as a location,
course of study, style of play, friends at Iowa, BIG10 exposure, hunting and fishing opportunities,...... The possibilities are almost endless .but the Ace finds them.

Meanwhile, the staff continues what they are doing now. But at the end, adding 5-6 top recruits to their efforts, makes all the difference.
Getting the 4/5* is easier said than done. Recruiting has consistently changed through the decades and heck of a lot more difficult than Bernie Wyatt’s day. 25 years ago we didn’t even have rivals or it was just starting and it was just magazines. around turn of century when you started to hear about 4/5* talent and these websites started to become a thing and now it’s a huge $ business. Now every recruit has his own highlight package, social media and ego to go with it. Throw that in mix of NIL demands, need for playing time and leaving in portal if get upset over smallest little thing.

Iowa along with all other college staffs I’m sure looks over who is a viable option and who isn’t. It’s just like portal season posters are always like we need an impact player at this position. But like position of WR those big names one don’t want to come here and it takes $. It takes two to tango we could be interested but if kid isn’t it’s a moot point. As we saw with Fran era of bball we were constantly in final 4-5 for top out of state guys but minus Tyler cook we never got those top 50-75 guys. Lot of time and energy to come up empty. Now you got to pay and like that 4* OL who just picked MSU over us word I’ve heard is the $ they offered much more than Iowa was willing to spend.

it’s not perfect but Iowa has their method. I think after city boyz fiasco Kirk takes into consideration the kids character more than he did before that. Iowa still installs the culture development and with impact guys let’s be honest we’ve been slowly digging out of being the pariah of offensive college football for recruits from the BF era. We got to prove it on the field before we get these wr or even qb guys to come in. But I like what lester is starting to do to improve both. Lastly it’s great to get 4/5* on paper but with portal you got to keep them. Husker fans always boasted about 4* recruits and “winning the off season” but how many actually turned into 4* players on the field let alone stayed at the school? And one thing I give KF and his staff credit for our departures have been on low end last 5 years for D1, especially with impact players such as starters.
 
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Iowa had the 23rd best recruiting class nationally last year. This class will be smaller which will affect their ranking this year.

Iowa develops 3 star talent into NFL caliber talent. Getting their type of players is more important than star ratings.
Iowa is absolutely not developing offensive talent outside of the OL. If anything, we have ruined skill position talent by not recognizing how to use it.

I'm not sure who spends more time with Kirk's c**k in his mouth, You or Eyesofhawk...
 
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UIAlumFireFighter

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And now we just missed out on 2 more priority offensive linemen. Kittrell and Kuhn. I think Reilly was recruited as a DT so that leaves Brenneman as our only O line commit. Missed on Johnson and Halliman as well as others. OP is not wrong to be concerned imo.
Sad.
 

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oh lawdy.. remember we are in the transfer portal era.
Yeah because we’ve really crushed it in the portal lol. Particularly at OL. Our best O line addition to date was Rusty Feth who very mediocre.
 
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Iowa is absolutely not developing offensive talent outside of the OL. If anything, we have ruined skill position talent by not recognizing how to use it.

I'm not sure who spends more time with Kirk's c**k in his mouth, You or Eyesofhawk...
That’s only a recent development towards the end of the Brian Era and the recovery from it. Plenty of TEs have gone to the pros, and WR isn’t nearly as bad as you would think when you look back. DJK, then Mcnutt, then Davis, KMM, T Smith, Vandeberg. Typically Iowa has been at least ok at WR. That 2019 team had 4 WRs on it that spent multiple years in the NFL (Jones, ISM, Smith, Tracy Jr). I still have no clue how BF only put up 25 PPG with that team. RB is usually good too.

We’ll start seeing some Iowa offensive skill guys get drafted within the next 2 years IMO.
 

Kceasthawk@77

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And now we just missed out on 2 more priority offensive linemen. Kittrell and Kuhn. I think Reilly was recruited as a DT so that leaves Brenneman as our only O line commit. Missed on Johnson and Halliman as well as others. OP is not wrong to be concerned imo.
Not to worried about the OL. Had an outstanding OL class last year and a good looking transfer, Will land some more talent.
 

UIAlumFireFighter

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That’s only a recent development towards the end of the Brian Era and the recovery from it. Plenty of TEs have gone to the pros, and WR isn’t nearly as bad as you would think when you look back. DJK, then Mcnutt, then Davis, KMM, T Smith, Vandeberg. Typically Iowa has been at least ok at WR. That 2019 team had 4 WRs on it that spent multiple years in the NFL (Jones, ISM, Smith, Tracy Jr). I still have no clue how BF only put up 25 PPG with that team. RB is usually good too.

We’ll start seeing some Iowa offensive skill guys get drafted within the next 2 years IMO.
You DO, of course, realize how far back you're having to go to produce these names.

Couldn't keep Tracy Jr. or Charlie Jones happy so they left for much bigger and better things, as we know. Overall, for many many years now we can only reflect back on Iowa's offense with sadness and frustration.

2025: 120th in Passing yards per completion, 127th in Passing Yards per game

Lester has got to make some serious improvements.

To your last statement: There's nothing that would make anyone believe this will come true. It's like the recent Nebraska signee saying they'll never lose to an Iowa team.....
 
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You DO, of course, realize how far back you're having to go to produce these names.

Couldn't keep Tracy Jr. or Charlie Jones happy so they left for much bigger and better things, as we know. Overall, for many many years now we can only reflect back on Iowa's offense with sadness and frustration.

2025: 120th in Passing yards per completion, 127th in Passing Yards per game

Lester has got to make some serious improvements.

To your last statement: There's nothing that would make anyone believe this will come true. It's like the recent Nebraska signee saying they'll never lose to an Iowa team.....
Still digging out from the enormous hole created by the Brian Ferentz debacle. Lester is making good progress IMO.
 

WeBeHerkin

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Iowa is absolutely not developing offensive talent outside of the OL. If anything, we have ruined skill position talent by not recognizing how to use it.

I'm not sure who spends more time with Kirk's c**k in his mouth, You or Eyesofhawk...
The Nebraska man that you are. Say hi to the Rhuler
 
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Yeah because we’ve really crushed it in the portal lol. Particularly at OL. Our best O line addition to date was Rusty Feth who very mediocre.
We had the top rated OL in the entire country last year. And you are worried about OL recruiting and development. What a DA! Fire Barnett! Fire Kirk. F-ing stupid.
 
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Still digging out from the enormous hole created by the Brian Ferentz debacle. Lester is making good progress IMO.
He's so deep he attacks anyone who makes a thread about the offense, especially when comparing raw numbers. I made a thread to track last season's stats and he tried so hard to derail it, luckily the good guys won that battle. Lester has made strides with an offense that was considered dead in the water. I'm very much anticipating what he does with the pass this year. I think it'll be a big component to his game plan.
 

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He's so deep he attacks anyone who makes a thread about the offense, especially when comparing raw numbers. I made a thread to track last season's stats and he tried so hard to derail it, luckily the good guys won that battle. Lester has made strides with an offense that was considered dead in the water. I'm very much anticipating what he does with the pass this year. I think it'll be a big component to his game plan.
Assuming you're talking about me, are we still supposed to believe you have me deleted? 🤣

Nu2 wasn't even responding to me.

I responded to him (which supposedly is invisible to you). And look who comes chiming in.

I told you, the liar will always end up exposing himself. It's his karma. But you aren't even good at it. Have gotten yourself way too flustered. I guess that's a respectable trait, at least
 

nu2u

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He's so deep he attacks anyone who makes a thread about the offense, especially when comparing raw numbers. I made a thread to track last season's stats and he tried so hard to derail it, luckily the good guys won that battle. Lester has made strides with an offense that was considered dead in the water. I'm very much anticipating what he does with the pass this year. I think it'll be a big component to his game plan.
eyes lives in an alternate reality where no amount of undisputed facts can penetrate his fantasy.
 

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eyes lives in an alternate reality where no amount of undisputed facts can penetrate his fantasy.
Yep, that's why I removed him from my view a long time ago. It just sucks that other fans have still deal with his lies. I'd honestly prefer we have the Husker troll back instead.
 
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You DO, of course, realize how far back you're having to go to produce these names.

Couldn't keep Tracy Jr. or Charlie Jones happy so they left for much bigger and better things, as we know. Overall, for many many years now we can only reflect back on Iowa's offense with sadness and frustration.

2025: 120th in Passing yards per completion, 127th in Passing Yards per game

Lester has got to make some serious improvements.
I listed players from the Greg Davis Era… Like I said, that was a Brian thing. DJK and the 2019 kids were the only players listed who wasn’t playing in a Greg Davis offense.

Jones and Tracy, once again a Brian thing.

Yes, Lester has improvements to make. It was always going to take multiple seasons, the offensive reputation was so bad after BF that even if we had Texas Tech money we couldn’t have gotten good transfers in. The only way to turn it around in 1 year would have been to fire Kirk and start over. Asking 1st Year AD Beth to fire the coach who had been there for 25 years after a 10 win season (even if it was the ugliest 10 wins in the history of college football) is a tough ask.

Your disdain for Iowa’s complacency with 8-4 is blinding you from seeing that legitimate progress is being made. I predict Vohname, Diaz, and either Phillips or Moulton (or both) will all get drafted in 2 years.
 

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I listed players from the Greg Davis Era… Like I said, that was a Brian thing. DJK and the 2019 kids were the only players listed who wasn’t playing in a Greg Davis offense.

Jones and Tracy, once again a Brian thing.

Yes, Lester has improvements to make. It was always going to take multiple seasons, the offensive reputation was so bad after BF that even if we had Texas Tech money we couldn’t have gotten good transfers in. The only way to turn it around in 1 year would have been to fire Kirk and start over. Asking 1st Year AD Beth to fire the coach who had been there for 25 years after a 10 win season (even if it was the ugliest 10 wins in the history of college football) is a tough ask.

Your disdain for Iowa’s complacency with 8-4 is blinding you from seeing that legitimate progress is being made. I predict Vohname, Diaz, and either Phillips or Moulton (or both) will all get drafted in 2 years.
Neither one of you has any idea what you're talking about
 

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We had the top rated OL in the entire country last year. And you are worried about OL recruiting and development. What a DA! Fire Barnett! Fire Kirk. F-ing stupid.
Correct. And all 5 starting linemen were here as FR. I’m just saying if your plan is to fill in the portal at OL if you miss all your HS targets, it’s not a recipe for success.
 

eyesofhawk

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Correct. And all 5 starting linemen were here as FR. I’m just saying if your plan is to fill in the portal at OL if you miss all your HS targets, it’s not a recipe for success.
Let me know when Iowa isn't bringing in o-lineman that can get the job done
 

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It wasn’t that long ago we were starting Plumb and DeJong…
Yes, when they had lost what could be argued to have been EIGHT o-lineman, that were at one time projected to have been rotational players in '22.

And the guys who might have normally have been available to step in, were way behind in their physical development, due to having lost workouts during the Covid shutdown, while at the same time having their strength and conditioning program in a transition period, due to losing Doyle.

It's crazy how people don't even seem to realize that happened.

What the whole game is built around. Devastated.

And people want to talk about nepotism, and skill positions, and OC's, and play-calling, and recruiting narratives that are completely unfounded. SMH
 
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Yes, when they had lost what could be argued to have been EIGHT o-lineman, that were at one time projected to have been rotational players in '22.

And the guys who might have normally have been available to step in, were way behind in their physical development, due to having lost workouts during the Covid shutdown, while at the same time having their strength and conditioning program in a transition period, due to losing Doyle.

It's crazy how people don't even seem to realize that happened.

What the whole game is built around. Devastated.

And people want to talk about nepotism, and skill positions, and OC's, and play-calling, and recruiting narratives that are completely unfounded. SMH
Wouldn’t it be easier to say, “I was wrong, forgot that our O line wasn’t very good recently.”
 

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Yes, when they had lost what could be argued to have been EIGHT o-lineman, that were at one time projected to have been rotational players in '22.

And the guys who might have normally have been available to step in, were way behind in their physical development, due to having lost workouts during the Covid shutdown, while at the same time having their strength and conditioning program in a transition period, due to losing Doyle.

It's crazy how people don't even seem to realize that happened.

What the whole game is built around. Devastated.

And people want to talk about nepotism, and skill positions, and OC's, and play-calling, and recruiting narratives that are completely unfounded. SMH
That’s true
 
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Correct. And all 5 starting linemen were here as FR. I’m just saying if your plan is to fill in the portal at OL if you miss all your HS targets, it’s not a recipe for success.
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Also, what was each of those OLs star ratings when we recruited them. We know Logan Jones was brought in as a DL, LOLZ!