'26 USA U23 Nationals, 5/29-31, thread

[Corby2]

The only thing last weekend got you was a spot on the Pan Am team. Top 4 on national team would get the world team spot if u23 eligible or not they can pick.
So look for Mendez at 65 and Barr at 97
57 Luke Knox get it before a pick
61 Blaze Jax get it before a pick
65 Bassett gets it before a pick
70 Robideau gets it before a pick
74 James then Sealey get it before a pick
79 Haines gets it before a pick
86 Sinclair gets it before a pick
92 Shumate gets it before a pick
97 Is open to pick
125 Merrill gets it before a pick

U23 is 10 days before Sr worlds I don't think anyone who makes SRs will wrestle u23 worlds

 

[zzs006]

The only thing last weekend got you was a spot on the Pan Am team. Top 4 on national team would get the world team spot if u23 eligible or not they can pick.
So look for Mendez at 65 and Barr at 97
57 Luke Knox get it before a pick
61 Blaze Jax get it before a pick
65 Bassett gets it before a pick
70 Robideau gets it before a pick
74 Sealey gets it before a pick
79 Haines gets it before a pick
86 Sinclair gets it before a pick
92 Shumate gets it before a pick
97 Is open to pick
125 Merrill gets it before a pick

U23 is 10 days before Sr worlds I don't think anyone who makes SRs will wrestle u23 worlds

Pretty sure James gets 74kg ahead of Sealey

 

[PASLP2]

How come nobody is talking about their ancestors who fought for Britain in the American Revolution?

 

[Mstan85]

The brother of my 5th great grandfather, moved the liberty bell during the Revolutionary War. I had a crazy aunt who told us about the story, but no one believed her. We were able to trace it about 10 years ago using ancestry.com

The Liberty Bell has been moved several times throughout its history, most famously during the Revolutionary War to prevent its capture.
The most notable figures who moved the bell include:

• John Jacob Mickley & Frederick Leaser (1777): When British troops threatened Philadelphia, Mickley (a local patriot) and militiamen secretly loaded the bell onto a wagon and transported it to Allentown, Pennsylvania.

 

[Dogwelder]

Good question. People who have traitorous ancestors that fought against the USA in the Civil War seem to speak pridefully of their family connections.

Ha ha. And people who have traitorous ancestors that fought against Great Britain in the Revolutionary War also speak pridefully of their family connections!

 

[CarolinaFan1]

The only thing last weekend got you was a spot on the Pan Am team. Top 4 on national team would get the world team spot if u23 eligible or not they can pick.
So look for Mendez at 65 and Barr at 97
57 Luke Knox get it before a pick
61 Blaze Jax get it before a pick
65 Bassett gets it before a pick
70 Robideau gets it before a pick
74 James then Sealey get it before a pick
79 Haines gets it before a pick
86 Sinclair gets it before a pick
92 Shumate gets it before a pick
97 Is open to pick
125 Merrill gets it before a pick

U23 is 10 days before Sr worlds I don't think anyone who makes SRs will wrestle u23 worlds

Is Caleb Henson u23 eligible? Couldn’t he end up 3rd after true third match at Final X if he beats Robideau?

 

[SRATH]

Good question. People who have traitorous ancestors that fought against the USA in the Civil War seem to speak pridefully of their family connections.

Ok...........

A cousin did genealogy on our family.....most arrived in the late 1800's from both Wales and Germany. One leg of the family traced back to the late 1770's.......appearing out of nowhere in SE PA. No parents. No brothers or sisters. Very Germanic name which he modified slightly. My cousin was pissed he couldn't find anything else.

He had completely whiffed on the fact our relative was very likely a Hessian mercenary soldier hired by the British. Approx 30k fought for Britain and approx 5k stayed ( Thanks Google ).

The largest Hessian POW camp was in Reading ( my hometown area ) where many of the residents already spoke German.

My family roots probably go back to a traitor who was not a good soldier. Thank God.

 

[Corby2]

Is Caleb Henson u23 eligible? Couldn’t he end up 3rd after true third match at Final X if he beats Robideau?

Born Dec 2002 it what I gathered so he's ineligible

 

[Tom McAndrew]

The largest Hessian POW camp was in Reading ( my hometown area ) where many of the residents already spoke German.

My family roots probably go back to a traitor who was not a good soldier. Thank God.

Reading was one of the larger prisoner camps in the Rev War. Claiming it was the largest Hessian prisoner camp is somewhat problematic, for a few reasons.

1. the prisoners got moved around a good bit
2. there were some camps that only held Hessians
3. there were other camps that held Hessians and British
4. large number of troops (Hessian and British) escaped during their treks between camps
5. in addition, a large number escaped while in camp (especially in camps located in PA, where there was an organized group that housed them, fed them, and helped them escape to NYC, where the British and Hessian forces were located
6. the Patriots made concerted efforts to induce all prisoners, but especially the Hessians, to flip. In general, they were offered land and money as an inducement

Some of the larger prisoner camps were in:

Albemarle (around Charlottesville, VA)
Lancaster, PA
Winchester, VA
Reading, PA
Frederick, MD

And I'm not including in that list some of the temporary camps, where large number of prisoners were held for a short time.

As a side note, Hessians is a convenient term, because the greatest number of troops from a German territory were from Hessen-Kassel and Hessen-Hanau. Historians generally prefer the term German auxiliary soldiers/troops, in part because they weren't mercenaries -- the rulers of the Six German territories where the troops came from were paid for providing troops, but the troops were not paid.

 

[CarolinaFan1]

Born Dec 2002 it what I gathered so he's ineligible

Thanks.

 

[SRATH]

Thanks for the clarification.

I misread AI's summary. When I read......."The largest and most notable camps were located in Reading and Allentown, Pennsylvania; Frederick, Maryland; and Charlottesville and Winchester, Virginia", my assumption would be the first camps listed would be the largest / most notable. Given the proximity to Trenton, it would be a fair assumption.....but wrong. Clearly some of the other camps, especially those with British POW's had more Hessian POW's.

After weeding in the yard for an hour and rolling this around in my head, I want to find a good book on the Hessians, how they arrived here, how they fought and what their post war lives were like.

 

[Split Shot]

Thanks for the clarification.

I misread AI's summary. When I read......."The largest and most notable camps were located in Reading and Allentown, Pennsylvania; Frederick, Maryland; and Charlottesville and Winchester, Virginia", my assumption would be the first camps listed would be the largest / most notable. Given the proximity to Trenton, it would be a fair assumption.....but wrong. Clearly some of the other camps, especially those with British POW's had more Hessian POW's.

After weeding in the yard for an hour and rolling this around in my head, I want to find a good book on the Hessians, how they arrived here, how they fought and what their post war lives were like.

This is just a guess, but I bet Tom McAndrew could help you with that.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

After weeding in the yard for an hour and rolling this around in my head, I want to find a good book on the Hessians, how they arrived here, how they fought and what their post war lives were like.

@Split Shot, thanks for the kind words. I could provide a good bit of info on the Hessians. However, you'd be better served by picking up a copy of Friederike Baer's 2022 book, Hessians: German Soldiers in the American Revolutionary War. It has become the definitive book on the Hessians. FWIW, I serve on the Book Award committee of an organization that hands out an annual award for the best book on the American Revolution for a calendar year. For 2022, we gave the award to Friederike. The book gives an amazing degree of details on how the Hessians arrived here (it's kind of stunning to read some of what they went through before arriving), and an equally amazing amount of details on where and how they fought. It has some info on their post-war lives, but not as much as the two other areas you specified. And for good measure, Friederike was a history professor at Penn State Abington, though in recent years she's moved into administration at that Penn State branch campus.

 

[GregPickel]

Penn State wrestler Connor Mirasola to compete for Team USA at the U23 Pan-American Championships

Penn State wrestler Connor Mirasola is part of the U23 US team that is competing at the Pan-American Championships next weekend in Lima, Peru.

www.on3.com

 

[BriantheLion]

Penn State wrestler Connor Mirasola to compete for Team USA at the U23 Pan-American Championships

Penn State wrestler Connor Mirasola is part of the U23 US team that is competing at the Pan-American Championships next weekend in Lima, Peru.

www.on3.com

Wasn’t that Connor?

 

[Aardvark86]

@Split Shot, thanks for the kind words. I could provide a good bit of info on the Hessians. However, you'd be better served by picking up a copy of Friederike Baer's 2022 book, Hessians: German Soldiers in the American Revolutionary War. It has become the definitive book on the Hessians. FWIW, I serve on the Book Award committee of an organization that hands out an annual award for the best book on the American Revolution for a calendar year. For 2022, we gave the award to Friederike. The book gives an amazing degree of details on how the Hessians arrived here (it's kind of stunning to read some of what they went through before arriving), and an equally amazing amount of details on where and how they fought. It has some info on their post-war lives, but not as much as the two other areas you specified. And for good measure, Friederike was a history professor at Penn State Abington, though in recent years she's moved into administration at that Penn State branch campus.

So tom, my bro in law, who I would describe as a semi professional historian, has been shifting his focus a bit from civil war (he’s written several books on Gettysburg) to rev war, was visiting us over the weekend. As he is from Kentucky, he’s been focusing on some of the western action lately, which I gather was somewhat more about containment/indian fighting but still pretty brutal.

Was telling a story about wm Whitley, and how after the war he built a clay horse track on this property but his hatred for the Brit’s was so great that he insisted they race counterclockwise rather than the British clockwise. And so American style non turf racing was born.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[Tom McAndrew]

After Final X, Basch with some thoughts on the U23 team:

 

[Corby2]

After Final X, Basch with some thoughts on the U23 team:

I don't see anyone who makes the SR team doing U23.
Mendez is eligible for 65 Mitchell for 79 and Barr for 97.
Guys who are on the national team have to give an answer before June 29

 

[zzs006]

After Final X, Basch with some thoughts on the U23 team:

Pretty salty team

 

[amattaro]

I hear Varner is going to be coaching U23s which should give Barr an advantage at being the 97kg rep.

 

[Corby2]

I hear Varner is going to be coaching U23s which should give Barr an advantage at being the 97kg rep.

It's barr if he wants it UsaW wants him at 97. They obviously changed the process to picking because it's in America and they want to win the team title

 

[vhsalum]

It's barr if he wants it UsaW wants him at 97. They obviously changed the process to picking because it's in America and they want to win the team title

Commie bastards.

 

[Corby2]

Commie bastards.

USSRW

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[Corby2]

Barr has never wrestled at 97kg
Mitchell has never wrestled at 79kg
We could see both on the u23 team

 

[CaliPSUfan]

Not sure who listened to this, but it was a mess! Basch was brutal and way overreacted to Willie over interrupting him. He yelled so loud over the mic, called him fat and bald and was just over the top. He later said “it’s what real friends do” and other things like that, but I listen to every podcast of theirs and this was by far the worst I’ve ever heard him come off! I was half expecting Willie to say and sign off the show.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

The U23 team selection process was a big part of this episode of FlowWrestling Radio Live, so I'm placing this here:

 

[PSUer89]

Not sure who listened to this, but it was a mess! Basch was brutal and way overreacted to Willie over interrupting him. He yelled so loud over the mic, called him fat and bald and was just over the top. He later said “it’s what real friends do” and other things like that, but I listen to every podcast of theirs and this was by far the worst I’ve ever heard him come off! I was half expecting Willie to say and sign off the show.

Yeah, it was bad.