Trump Just Surrendered to Iran--Pathetic

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A senior US official confirmed on a media briefing call that Operation Project Freedom — the covert mission to escort oil tankers through the Strait of Hormuz — has been an "unsung hero" in the Iran negotiations.

Over 7 million barrels of oil per day were being moved through the Strait. This massively increased US leverage against Iran.

While the fake news was saying Iran controls the Strait — Trump was moving 7 million barrels of oil per day right through it. Iran had no power to stop any of it.

Now THIS is the value you bring to the board, my senile friend. The deal is so terrible that MAGA is trumpeting this “Operation Project Freedom” as some genius move. Remember when covert operations weren’t required to move oil through the strait?

Damn man you’re really stretching now - don’t hurt yourself.
 

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Most Israelis are peace loving. They need to decide just how important it is to become a global pariah vs. finding a path to peace. Either way, the US has no place being allies to leaders with this worldview. It’s honestly no different than the Iranian death cult hyperbole.

Let them destroy each other if that’s what they want, but we should never again lift a finger to “solve” the Middle East until they agree to peaceful paths towards resolution (two state solution).

F*ck them all, and f*ck our leadership who continues to provide support to the Israeli state on both sides of the aisle.
 

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Most Israelis are peace loving. They need to decide just how important it is to become a global pariah vs. finding a path to peace. Either way, the US has no place being allies to leaders with this worldview. It’s honestly no different than the Iranian death cult hyperbole.

Let them destroy each other if that’s what they want, but we should never again lift a finger to “solve” the Middle East until they agree to peaceful paths towards resolution (two state solution).

F*ck them all, and f*ck our leadership who continues to provide support to the Israeli state on both sides of the aisle.
It is quite a bit different than the Iranian death cult hyperbole, which is a belief that the world will end in an apocalyptic event that will usher in the return of some type of "hidden" Islamic imam honcho.

I thought you said you read up on Iran?
 

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It is quite a bit different than the Iranian death cult hyperbole, which is a belief that the world will end in an apocalyptic event that will usher in the return of some type of "hidden" Islamic imam honcho.

I thought you said you read up on Iran?
Different end games, same “kill everyone against us” bullsh*t. The far right types are very similar regardless of what branch of Abrahamic religion they follow. When I listen to Hegseth, Bibi or the now dead Ayatollah it all sounds very Old Testament and very un-Christ like.

As a Christian I think they are all following a path that Christ would rebuke.
 

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who could have ever seen this whole thing going badly while being led by this demented toddler who apparently (and unironically) thinks most people don't know how to spell the word "dumb"...



this is the leader of the free world that red state morons voted for 3 times. truly depressing.
 

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who could have ever seen this whole thing going badly while being led by this demented toddler who apparently (and unironically) thinks most people don't know how to spell the word "dumb"...



this is the leader of the free world that red state morons voted for 3 times. truly depressing.

At this point I’m just surprised he’s not just saying that words should be intentionally misspelled, simply because he doesn’t actually know how to spell lol
 

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who could have ever seen this whole thing going badly while being led by this demented toddler who apparently (and unironically) thinks most people don't know how to spell the word "dumb"...



this is the leader of the free world that red state morons voted for 3 times. truly depressing.

This is the MAGA method 1 vs method 2.
 
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Different end games, same “kill everyone against us” bullsh*t. The far right types are very similar regardless of what branch of Abrahamic religion they follow. When I listen to Hegseth, Bibi or the now dead Ayatollah it all sounds very Old Testament and very un-Christ like.

As a Christian I think they are all following a path that Christ would rebuke.
If the following is true, and many think it is based on the theocracy's own statements and "Death to American" policy, they are not the same at all. We cannot take a chance these primitive religious nutjobs will get nukes under any circumstances.

"Iran is a nation where its leaders believe that their primary mission isn’t governance or economics but manufacturing the end of the world."

"Iran’s clerical leaders, the mullahs, believe that they are the temporary placeholders for a “missing” messianic imam who disappeared over a thousand years ago."

Armageddon and Ayatollah: Why Iran is Preparing for the End of the World
 
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If the following is true, and many think it is based on the theocracy's own statements and "Death to American" policy, they are not the same at all. We cannot take a chance these primitive religious nutjobs will get nukes under any circumstances.

"Iran is a nation where its leaders believe that their primary mission isn’t governance or economics but manufacturing the end of the world."

"Iran’s clerical leaders, the mullahs, believe that they are the temporary placeholders for a “missing” messianic imam who disappeared over a thousand years ago."

Armageddon and Ayatollah: Why Iran is Preparing for the End of the World
As we have discussed I have read somewhat extensively on Iran and Shiism over the past year. I am FAR from a scholar on either so my thoughts should be taken with a grain of salt, but know a lot more than I did a year ago. As I understand it the messianic revelation of the hidden Imam is not something that can be ushered by man. It is entirely controlled by God. So getting and using nukes cannot cause their messianic revelation. I tend not to worry about that as a major motivating factor TBH.

Having said that, we should damn well make sure they don’t get a nuke - not for messianic reasons, but for geopolitical power reasons. We don’t need another North Korea style wild card on the table. As it happens they were nowhere close to having one after we destroyed their capabilities last year, so the war was pointless. Still, if they were close I would have no issue with the US bombing them like we did Fordow last year. I also would not have an issue telling Iran that anyone who digs up the uranium dust will be destroyed.
 

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He’s not a troll. He and @fatpiggy have been here for years, posting the same crap. They either really think this or are playing a long game of epic proportions, which I doubt. I don’t think they are smart enough. I think they are just old white maga men that live in an ever shrinking echo chamber.

Nice you have you Iowans here to play with them. I think they were a bit lonely
I believe what? I agree Iran should not obtain a Nuke. That has ALWAYS been the main objective no matter how dems want to try and contort that.

I do agree that Trump may have miscalculated, but that’s OK. We are where we are. They won’t be getting a nuke anytime soon, their military is decimated.

And now, they have to meet certain requirements to have their money released.

Despite all the Hormuz kerkuffle, the price of gas never got as high as during the last dem administration. Democrats at the time told us that the price of gas was worth helping Ukraine. However, now they are unwilling to pay even lower prices to defend our own people.

Democrats want some criticism of Trump to run with. But I don’t think this is going to be enough for them to win midterms.

Dems still haven’t presented ideas on how they will help the American voter.its about the wallet and economy.

I don’t think Iran will be top of mind with voters. I think people will be happy we avoided a forever war. They will vote with their wallets, not Iran. And this is why I have said I don’t care how democrats frame it compared to Obama’s deal etc. I simply think it doesn’t matter.
 

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I believe what? I agree Iran should not obtain a Nuke. That has ALWAYS been the main objective no matter how dems want to try and contort that.

I do agree that Trump may have miscalculated, but that’s OK. We are where we are. They won’t be getting a nuke anytime soon, their military is decimated.

And now, they have to meet certain requirements to have their money released.

Despite all the Hormuz kerkuffle, the price of gas never got as high as during the last dem administration. Democrats at the time told us that the price of gas was worth helping Ukraine. However, now they are unwilling to pay even lower prices to defend our own people.

Democrats want some criticism of Trump to run with. But I don’t think this is going to be enough for them to win midterms.

Dems still haven’t presented ideas on how they will help the American voter.its about the wallet and economy.

I don’t think Iran will be top of mind with voters. I think people will be happy we avoided a forever war. They will vote with their wallets, not Iran. And this is why I have said I don’t care how democrats frame it compared to Obama’s deal etc. I simply think it doesn’t matter.
Try and explain as much of it away as you want, but the fact remains that you're an idiot conspiracy theorist. And truly just a stupid person
 

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I believe what? I agree Iran should not obtain a Nuke. That has ALWAYS been the main objective no matter how dems want to try and contort that.

I do agree that Trump may have miscalculated, but that’s OK. We are where we are. They won’t be getting a nuke anytime soon, their military is decimated.

And now, they have to meet certain requirements to have their money released.

Despite all the Hormuz kerkuffle, the price of gas never got as high as during the last dem administration. Democrats at the time told us that the price of gas was worth helping Ukraine. However, now they are unwilling to pay even lower prices to defend our own people.

Democrats want some criticism of Trump to run with. But I don’t think this is going to be enough for them to win midterms.

Dems still haven’t presented ideas on how they will help the American voter.its about the wallet and economy.

I don’t think Iran will be top of mind with voters. I think people will be happy we avoided a forever war. They will vote with their wallets, not Iran. And this is why I have said I don’t care how democrats frame it compared to Obama’s deal etc. I simply think it doesn’t matter.
I don’t know if the gas statement is true for national averages, but it definitely got more expensive in my part of NC than during the Ukraine invasion under Biden.

I’d be surprised if the national averages were higher under Biden during the Ukraine part of his term than this Iran war period under Trump. Just seems like a stretch to me, since so much oil passes through the SoH.

But would be interested to know the numbers if you or someone else can share them (I’m using Firefox focus on my phone so cannot multitask lol)
 
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As we have discussed I have read somewhat extensively on Iran and Shiism over the past year. I am FAR from a scholar on either so my thoughts should be taken with a grain of salt, but know a lot more than I did a year ago. As I understand it the messianic revelation of the hidden Imam is not something that can be ushered by man. It is entirely controlled by God. So getting and using nukes cannot cause their messianic revelation. I tend not to worry about that as a major motivating factor TBH.

Having said that, we should damn well make sure they don’t get a nuke - not for messianic reasons, but for geopolitical power reasons. We don’t need another North Korea style wild card on the table. As it happens they were nowhere close to having one after we destroyed their capabilities last year, so the war was pointless. Still, if they were close I would have no issue with the US bombing them like we did Fordow last year. I also would not have an issue telling Iran that anyone who digs up the uranium dust will be destroyed.
I thought the deal Obama made at the time was a good deal, and don’t consider myself a hawk, but I thought the way Trump handled Iran before this latest war was very good, given the circumstances in the Middle East.

But this current war has been a self inflicted disaster. Not saying anything original, but I think the relative success of the Venezuela situation got Trump way too overconfident about his foreign policy.
 

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I don’t know if the gas statement is true for national averages, but it definitely got more expensive in my part of NC than during the Ukraine invasion under Biden.

I’d be surprised if the national averages were higher under Biden during the Ukraine part of his term than this Iran war period under Trump. Just seems like a stretch to me, since so much oil passes through the SoH.

But would be interested to know the numbers if you or someone else can share them (I’m using Firefox focus on my phone so cannot multitask lol)

Definitely higher for longer under Democrat admin

The 2022 Russia-Ukraine invasion caused a sharper and higher-peaking national gas price spike than the 2026 Iran conflict under Trump.
Event Timelines
• Russia invades Ukraine: Full-scale invasion began February 24, 2022. This triggered sanctions on Russia (a major oil exporter), supply uncertainty, and a global oil price surge that fed into U.S. retail gasoline prices.
• Trump bombs Iran / U.S.-Israel strikes on Iran: Joint U.S. and Israeli strikes (Operation Epic Fury) began February 28, 2026. This included major attacks on Iranian military sites, leadership targets (including the reported killing of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei), and led to Iranian retaliation, temporary closure/threats to the Strait of Hormuz (a chokepoint for ~20% of global oil), and broader conflict that lasted into mid-June 2026 before a ceasefire/deal.52
Maximum National Average Gas Prices
These figures refer to the U.S. national average retail price for regular unleaded gasoline (primarily AAA data, with EIA corroboration for monthly/weekly context). Prices are what drivers actually paid at the pump.
• 2022 Russia-Ukraine spike: Peaked at $5.01–$5.02 per gallon in mid-June 2022 (AAA national average hit an all-time high of $5.01 around June 13–14, 2022; EIA reported a June 2022 high of $5.01/gal). This was the highest nominal national average since AAA began tracking in 2000 and surpassed prior records (including inflation-unadjusted 2008 levels at the time).45
• 2026 Iran conflict spike: Peaked at approximately $4.55–$4.56 per gallon in May 2026 (AAA readings around $4.56 in mid-to-late May). Prices first exceeded $4/gallon in late March/early April 2026 (first time since 2022) and reached four-year highs but stayed well below the 2022 peak. By mid-to-late June 2026, the national average had fallen back toward ~$3.95–$4.00 as the conflict wound down and the Strait of Hormuz reopened.48
Comparison of the Spikes
• Peak height: The 2022 Ukraine-related spike was significantly higher (~$5.02 vs. ~$4.56). The 2022 event set a nominal all-time record that the 2026 spike did not approach.
• Increase from pre-event levels: Both saw large jumps of roughly +$1.50 to +$1.70 per gallon.
◦ Early 2022 (pre-invasion): National average started around $3.28–$3.30/gal and rose sharply after the February invasion (surpassing $4 by early March).
◦ Pre-Iran war (late Feb 2026): Around $2.98–$3.10/gal before the strikes and Hormuz disruptions.
• Timing and duration:
◦ 2022: Rapid rise in March–April, peak in June (summer driving season amplified it), with elevated prices persisting through much of the summer before gradually declining.
◦ 2026: Sharp initial spike in March–April (tied to Hormuz fears and conflict escalation), peak in May, then relatively quick decline after ceasefire progress and reopened shipping routes by mid-June.
• Similarities: Both were classic geopolitical supply-shock events. Crude oil prices (the biggest component of gas prices) jumped on fears and actual/potential disruptions. Refining margins, seasonal demand, and other factors also played roles. In both cases, about half the pump price traces to crude oil on the global market.
• Differences in severity: The 2022 spike reached higher absolute levels and felt more sustained at the peak. Russia is a top global oil producer/exporter, and the invasion + broad Western sanctions created prolonged uncertainty. The 2026 Iran event disrupted a critical chokepoint (Strait of Hormuz) but was shorter in its most acute phase for energy markets and resolved with a deal. The U.S. also had strong domestic production in both periods, which helped limit the damage compared to pure import-dependent countries.
Bottom line: If measuring by the highest national average price reached, the 2022 Russia-Ukraine invasion produced the more severe gas price spike ($5.02 peak vs. ~$4.56 in 2026). The 2026 spike was still painful—pushing prices above $4/gallon nationwide again and costing drivers significantly more per tank—but it did not match the 2022 highs. Prices in both cases were heavily influenced by global crude oil markets reacting to conflict, not solely U.S. domestic policy.
Data comes primarily from AAA daily/weekly national averages and EIA reports. Actual prices at individual stations varied widely by state (e.g., California consistently much higher; Gulf Coast or Midwest often lower).
 

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I thought the deal Obama made at the time was a good deal, and don’t consider myself a hawk, but I thought the way Trump handled Iran before this latest war was very good, given the circumstances in the Middle East.

But this current war has been a self inflicted disaster. Not saying anything original, but I think the relative success of the Venezuela situation got Trump way too overconfident about his foreign policy.
I think that’s fair criticism.

I don’t think this war has been a disaster (admit it’s far from perfect too). It’s accomplished our objectives, this is undeniable.

Was there a miscalculation on the strait of Hormuz? Again, fair criticism and probably true.

However, I am glad Trump did not make a further mistake by overreacting and showing a measured response by not invading with boots on the ground d.

I think your point about Venezuela is accurate. I’m just glad Trump didn’t allow one miscalculation to cascade into a quagmire of boots on the ground, and deaths of more American soldiers.
 

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I think that’s fair criticism.

I don’t think this war has been a disaster (admit it’s far from perfect too). It’s accomplished our objectives, this is undeniable.

Was there a miscalculation on the strait of Hormuz? Again, fair criticism and probably true.

However, I am glad Trump did not make a further mistake by overreacting and showing a measured response by not invading with boots on the ground d.

I think your point about Venezuela is accurate. I’m just glad Trump didn’t allow one miscalculation to cascade into a quagmire of boots on the ground, and deaths of more American soldiers.
I honestly think that the objectives were constantly changing though, so I am not sure if we actually achieved any objectives. I think the strikes last summer did a great job constraining Iran’s nuclear program

I’ve said this elsewhere, but I firmly believe the military or centcom fully understood the SoH issue, and that this was something Trump just didn’t understand/comprehend.

I think all of us are in agreement that boots on the ground wouldn’t be good, so glad we are avoiding that (for now at least, that can always change).
 

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Try and explain as much of it away as you want, but the fact remains that you're an idiot conspiracy theorist. And truly just a stupid person
I am a prou d conspiracy theorist by your definition. The “conspiracy theorists” are winning by a large margin. It’s a runaway route at this point. All the non conspiracy MSM losers have seen the scoreboard and are exiting the stadium.
 
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remember how angry these MAGA chodes were when Biden tapped the strategic reserves? Now Trump is doing it and it is all good.
We were angry he tapped the strategic reserves right before the election. They could’ve done it prior to bring inflation down, but they did not. They saved that quiver in their armor just before the election in order to try to bring inflation down when they had been running it hot for four years.

It may have worked if they did not anoint the worst candidate in US political history
 

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I honestly think that the objectives were constantly changing though, so I am not sure if we actually achieved any objectives. I think the strikes last summer did a great job constraining Iran’s nuclear program

I’ve said this elsewhere, but I firmly believe the military or centcom fully understood the SoH issue, and that this was something Trump just didn’t understand/comprehend.

I think all of us are in agreement that boots on the ground wouldn’t be good, so glad we are avoiding that (for now at least, that can always change).
The objective has always been clearly stated. To prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. I don’t think that’s fair criticism.
 
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I think that’s fair criticism.

I don’t think this war has been a disaster (admit it’s far from perfect too). It’s accomplished our objectives, this is undeniable.

Was there a miscalculation on the strait of Hormuz? Again, fair criticism and probably true.

However, I am glad Trump did not make a further mistake by overreacting and showing a measured response by not invading with boots on the ground d.

I think your point about Venezuela is accurate. I’m just glad Trump didn’t allow one miscalculation to cascade into a quagmire of boots on the ground, and deaths of more American soldiers.
Agree with some of this - I 100% did not want troops on the ground and I said for months we should just pack up and leave the Middle East to whoever else is dumb enough to try to fix that sh*tshow. I’m glad we left for sure.

Where I think you view this through MAGA colored glasses is in how you interpret the strait issue. Literally every talking head said at the outset Iran would impact the flow of oil by virtue of their capabilities in the strait of Hormuz. I have seen a large number of former US military talking heads discuss that the military had for many years had plans, but that it would have to involve ground troops if you wanted to secure it. They discussed the many fortified caves, etc where Iran stashed small boats, missiles, etc. There were numerous articles about how difficult it would be to remove those capabilities with air and sea power alone.

So I see it less as a miscalculation and more of an awful strategic blunder born from Trump’s inability to listen to others. Trump went with his dumb gut vs the smart people advising him. If he had no intention of using ground troops then he should not have done something that would require ground troops to pull off. That is one of the massive strategic errors Trump made here. Calling it a simple miscalculation is like forgiving a college math professor who says 1+1=5. If you are president you should not make strategic errors this large.
 

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The objective has always been clearly stated. To prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. I don’t think that’s fair criticism.
I strongly disagree that this was clearly stated, I think Trump and his administration have stated other goals (sometimes conflicting prior statements) multiple times from the beginning.

I also am not convinced the nuclear program was even remotely close to achieving a nuclear weapon. This is an example of Trump’s own statements contradicting himself. If a nuclear program was truly obliterated, in no world would it be possible to achieve a nuclear weapon in less than a year.
 
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remember how angry these MAGA chodes were when Biden tapped the strategic reserves? Now Trump is doing it and it is all good.
Oh for sure. these maga fuc ks have gone from being the stupidest of society and proud conspiracy theorists to MASSIVE hypocrites (oh wait they've always been these things). What a stupid pathetic bunch of dumb trash
 
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If the following is true, and many think it is based on the theocracy's own statements and "Death to American" policy, they are not the same at all. We cannot take a chance these primitive religious nutjobs will get nukes under any circumstances.

"Iran is a nation where its leaders believe that their primary mission isn’t governance or economics but manufacturing the end of the world."

"Iran’s clerical leaders, the mullahs, believe that they are the temporary placeholders for a “missing” messianic imam who disappeared over a thousand years ago."

Armageddon and Ayatollah: Why Iran is Preparing for the End of the World
Why do you think evangelical "Christians" support Israel?
 
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