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It’s so stupid that you all use the phrase “cultists”. You either don’t know the definition of cultist or are being intentionally ignorant. My guess is you know the definition and are being intentionally ignorant.
None of us worship Donald freaking Trump. We think he’s our best chance at starting to get our country back on track and beating the wicked progressive commies who are openly trying to fundamentally change our country (and in a very bad way). Trump is seen as the beginning of what’s essentially a counter revolution. The left absolutely is waging a revolution and admit it publicly. The good thing is that Trump is only the beginning. Future leaders on our side will be better and more effective. The left has started a fight against us and it only takes one person to start a fight. Whether you want to be in a fight or not, if you get punched in the mouth, guess what? You’re in a fight. We have a long way to go and Trump is the first president that I’ve seen that has begun to fight back. As irritating as the hyenas on here are, I think they want the same things that Trump supporters want but want to take a different path to get the end result.
Time will tell if we “had it all wrong” but I’m not yet convinced we did.
Imagine writing all this and calling others children. You’ve created an entire fantasy world for yourself.
 
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We are way past the point of you guys having it right, that’s for sure. Go back and look at what you guys all said was going to happen.
Also, there is no left and right, that’s an outdated and oversimplified construct. There is right and wrong, and both of the “left and right” “leaders” lately have been wrong and aren’t worthy of being elected (with rare exceptions).
I agree it’s right vs wrong. I think the Obama and Biden administrations were intentionally wrong on things that are crippling our country. From Obamacare to the open border. There are also peripheral consequences to those decisions as well that are far-reaching. I think Trump is trying to do the right thing in a lot of issues. Closing the borders and deporting illegals. Cutting the red tape for drilling and mining. The nuclear power sector is growing. But you guys think we’re cultists and see no wrong in Trump and that’s just false. The Iran situation was obviously ill-planned and executed. It seems like we had no idea the extent of which Iran could cripple passage through the straight if they so choose. Iran has been fortifying their missile defense systems for decades so they could attack vessels in the strait if they wanted or needed to. How we didn’t know that is baffling and unacceptable. I just hope that whatever deal was made allows for the strait to be safe and the oil to begin flowing as normal and for everything to get back on track. I think the world found out how strong of a grip Iran has on one of the most critical waterways on earth. I’m not even sure there is a way to “regime change” Iran without boots on the ground and support from Iranian citizens. It’s a mess over there and the world has known it forever.
I agree that Iran cannot possess a nuclear weapon. They will definitely use it on us and Israel.
 

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I get it. I’d be pretty embarrassed if I were you too. I don’t think you’re smart enough to ever realize you’ve been duped so it must be pretty confusing for you.

Very typical of the MAGA fan bois here to play victim when they look stupid. I wouldn’t expect anything less.
It’s easy for a weak little coward like you to sit on the sidelines and criticize everyone. You call people you disagree with dumb and stupid. Definitely the actions of a high IQ individual. You offer no logical solutions to any of the issues you complain about. You’re so blinded by your Trump hatred that you are mentally crippled. You and your cackling sidekick can continue to play footsie and stroke each other but how about sticking your neck out and offering legitimate solutions to the political issues at hand?
 

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The obama center is 220 ft tall, or about the size of a 20 story office building and cost about $1billion, including $120+ million they are willing to own up to coming from taxpayers. There are lots of comparisons out there but a tall garbage can seems apt. What could possibly justify building it so big?
A Chicago politician, dog eating, golfer.
 

BigWill

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Nobody likes how the Iran situation went down. NOBODY. Nobody said they did or are acting like they did so STFU w your bs. And yes, we will all see what happens as a result of this MOU.
I like how Iran is acting to force us into bombing the rest of Iran's hard liners.
 

BigWill

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I am pretty excited about the Vance dressing down some Ukrainian American (notwithstanding that Vance's heritage American BS is the same exact thing as that Ukrainian American is doing, putting extra weight on one's own heritage when considering current issues), because it opens up this discussion.

America stands for something greater than race, ethnicity, blood and soil, and all the other stupid BS that people use to divide. It stands for principles liberty, equality before the law, and individual rights.

At the current moment - with both leaders engaged in foreign conflicts, who is representing that spirit better. Zelenskyy ... whose country offended Russia by moving towards the open societies of the West and is fighting (pretty successfully) against a superior foe on paper???

Or Trump ... who is cutting and running because a bunch of religious zealots are holding him hostage over a body of water he could take back but at a political cost???

Seems like a pretty easy choice for me!

ZELENSKYY 2028!.
Do Lawyers need to pass a Bar Exam in the Ukraine ?
 

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It’s easy for a weak little coward like you to sit on the sidelines and criticize everyone. You call people you disagree with dumb and stupid. Definitely the actions of a high IQ individual. You offer no logical solutions to any of the issues you complain about. You’re so blinded by your Trump hatred that you are mentally crippled. You and your cackling sidekick can continue to play footsie and stroke each other but how about sticking your neck out and offering legitimate solutions to the political issues at hand?
No. I call you dumb and stupid because you are.

I disagree with others on certain topics, but respect their opinions. Dtrain and I disagree on things, but he proposes actual thoughts that I may not agree with but I respect. Same with Rill and even ILisBest.

You on the other hand are just dumb. No amount of you ranting and insulting me will change that fact. Sorry.
 
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BigWill

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It’s so stupid that you all use the phrase “cultists”. You either don’t know the definition of cultist or are being intentionally ignorant. My guess is you know the definition and are being intentionally ignorant.
None of us worship Donald freaking Trump. We think he’s our best chance at starting to get our country back on track and beating the wicked progressive commies who are openly trying to fundamentally change our country (and in a very bad way). Trump is seen as the beginning of what’s essentially a counter revolution. The left absolutely is waging a revolution and admit it publicly. The good thing is that Trump is only the beginning. Future leaders on our side will be better and more effective. The left has started a fight against us and it only takes one person to start a fight. Whether you want to be in a fight or not, if you get punched in the mouth, guess what? You’re in a fight. We have a long way to go and Trump is the first president that I’ve seen that has begun to fight back. As irritating as the hyenas on here are, I think they want the same things that Trump supporters want but want to take a different path to get the end result.
Time will tell if we “had it all wrong” but I’m not yet convinced we did.
Rather than MAGA, if I had to use a small "cult", I would prefer MASA.

Make America Same Again.
 

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I actually do appreciate that you are thinking of ideas, and more buffalo/less cattle is a worthy discussion.

Arizona and Scotland are 2 very different climates. Annual rainfall in Scotland is somewhere around 60” per year, ~25” in the driest areas. Dropping off a dozen beavers in the desert is not going to be helpful. Colorado already has about 75k beavers.

Again, I appreciate thoughtful debate on this topic. Some of your talking points are relevant, but many are not.
This is what you spent $ 100,000 + on for your "water" degree ?

"Scotland has a different overall climate than Arizona !", Classic !

Here are TWO methods of quickly changing low water rainfall acreage to productive land.

1. Swale contouring land. Revitalized in 1 or 2 years.
2. Construction of Desalinization plants. Revitalized as the plants are brought on line.

A Country with only 1 fresh water lake. The same Country with 90 % arid land or desert. The same Country with 10,000,000 + residents. (Like Ariz), A country that sells potable water to neighboring Countries. The Country that has desalinization plants, but fewer than the United States !

Isreal.
 

BigWill

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Bootlicking. Some around here know it well.

That is what happened.
Spit shining your footwear can be done 2 ways.
1. Actual spit as you rub polish onto the toes leather.
2. Tap water stored in the polish lid to keep applying moisture on the cotton ball to apply the polish.

I don't know anyone that licks their shoes.

Cadets at West Point that spit shine (Not everyone does) their shoes keep a hankie in their pockets to keep the shine from being scuffed or dusty during the day.
 

BigWill

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You are a total ******* idiot.

A few of the bootlickers are not, but you ... really dumb. If you said, "I have no thoughts about politics outside of the GOP winning elections and the Dems being upset," I'd at least understand your position on Trump (even if I think you will learn by 2028 he's not very good for Rs actually winning elections). But slavishly adhering to whatever Trump wants/says isn't changing one's mind, it's bootlicking.

At least you are good at something.
At last count Trump was 119 Wins.....1 Loss in current elections.
 

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No. I call you dumb and stupid because you are.

I disagree with others on certain topics, but respect their opinions. Dtrain and I disagree on things, but he proposes actual thoughts that I may not agree with but I respect. Same with Rill and even ILisBest.

You on the other hand are just dumb. No amount of you ranting and insulting me will change that fact. Sorry.
I am neither dumb nor stupid and it just proves how dumb and stupid you actually are by saying that. You’re not emotionally stable. You are passive aggressive and cloak your emotional instability in name calling and meme posting. You do exactly what you insult others for doing. Yes, truly high IQ on your part. And the only thing you respect is shitting on Trump. Again, very high IQ.
 
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It’s easy for a weak little coward like you to sit on the sidelines and criticize everyone. You call people you disagree with dumb and stupid. Definitely the actions of a high IQ individual. You offer no logical solutions to any of the issues you complain about. You’re so blinded by your Trump hatred that you are mentally crippled. You and your cackling sidekick can continue to play footsie and stroke each other but how about sticking your neck out and offering legitimate solutions to the political issues at hand?
He can’t do that. He doesn’t have the depth to be more than a one trick pony. The ignore feature is your friend.
 
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I am neither dumb nor stupid and it just proves how dumb and stupid you actually are by saying that. You’re not emotionally stable. You are passive aggressive and cloak your emotional instability in name calling and meme posting. You do exactly what you insult others for doing. Yes, truly high IQ on your part. And the only thing you respect is shitting on Trump. Again, very high IQ.
Let it all out. Hope you feel better.
 

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This is what you spent $ 100,000 + on for your "water" degree ?

"Scotland has a different overall climate than Arizona !", Classic !

Here are TWO methods of quickly changing low water rainfall acreage to productive land.

1. Swale contouring land. Revitalized in 1 or 2 years.
2. Construction of Desalinization plants. Revitalized as the plants are brought on line.

A Country with only 1 fresh water lake. The same Country with 90 % arid land or desert. The same Country with 10,000,000 + residents. (Like Ariz), A country that sells potable water to neighboring Countries. The Country that has desalinization plants, but fewer than the United States !

Isreal.

Plan BW
- import more beavers to the desert
- desalinate water off the coast of California a couple hundred miles away
- put minerals back in desalinated water, because desalinated ocean water isn’t good for crops and has other issues
- ship water that has been desalinated and then re-mineralized hundreds of miles to the desert
- make Arizona more reliant on California, the land of empty reservoirs (during fires) and incomplete billion $ infrastructure projects

Plan rilla
- Stop developing in the middle of the desert where you have to use a sophisticated model of water development
- Encourage growth and development in places that have the most basic needs to survive
 
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I am sorry that I took a few days off for a short trip with no computer. I find it humorous when something doesn't appear to be going Trump's way, it tends to get louder here. I also exited news while I was gone. Do we have any specifics on the Iran wrap up deal or are we all just speculating?
 

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I am sorry that I took a few days off for a short trip with no computer. I find it humorous when something doesn't appear to be going Trump's way, it tends to get louder here. I also exited news while I was gone. Do we have any specifics on the Iran wrap up deal or are we all just speculating?

No specifics. Just the greatest/worst Iran deal, depending on which network you watch or follow.

Also, nothing on the biolab story that Tulsi put out there. Would be nice if Trump would give some details on this stuff so there wasn’t so much speculation.
 
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I am sorry that I took a few days off for a short trip with no computer. I find it humorous when something doesn't appear to be going Trump's way, it tends to get louder here. I also exited news while I was gone. Do we have any specifics on the Iran wrap up deal or are we all just speculating?
How exactly did it get louder here? There were less than 3 pages of posts while you were gone? Your perception is off.
 

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So, assuming this source supplied the correct document, I don't like it.

With that said, I understand it. I stated on here weeks ago Trump is looking for an off ramp. He couldn't continue and have any chance in the midterms. The Iranian conflict was polling awful and was causing inflation to rise. Also, our allies were not helping which could have released some of the pressure on the US. So, he takes this crappy off ramp more from need. He will try to sell this as a good deal even though he himself, stated he preferred to take Carg Island. The average US voter would not support troops on the ground and the nuts running Iran would have inflicted as much pain as they could while going down.

It will be interesting to see if this "negotiation time" is extended through the midterms and then we finish the job. I mean, it looks like this agreement was already broke in the very first point of terminating all military operations in Lebanon. The Trump admin would be wise to delay release of captured Iranian funds(or the other funds from the region) through the midterms. I am guessing contingency plans and regional support for those are be worked on.

In summary, I don't like it, but understand why he did it.