Saban Vs. Tubberville 2.0

18IsTheMan

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I know I'm in the minority, but there was wisdom in the NCAA's rules against athletes getting paid so that the amateur, student-athlete model was preserved. And general order was preserved.

We can all think of scenarios where it makes sense to allow an athlete to be compensated...signing autographs, doing a commercial for a local car dealership, etc. We all know what NIL is supposed to be....or ideally would be. The problem is, once you crack open the can of worms for letting them get compensated, there is absolutely no way to regulate it. You either have the NCAA model where no compensation was allowed, or you get what we have now. There is no middle ground. It's unregulatable.

I know it didn't seem fair that schools were raking in millions and coaches were making millions while the players got nothing, but at least that system worked. The game functioned and there was order. "Fairness" has resulted in absolute, unrestrained, runaway chaos. And nobody has a solution.

NIL, on its own, has been devastating. Combined with the portal, it has been a catastrophically toxic brew. Probably irreversible.
 

Uscg1984

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There aren't any easy answers. I think I like Tuberville's proposed act better, but it sounds like there's no way it will pass. I'm also not sure the "but this is the bill that will pass" argument is a good reason to vote for any bill. My instincts tell me Congress should probably leave the whole issue alone and let the chips fall where they may.
 

18IsTheMan

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There aren't any easy answers. I think I like Tuberville's proposed act better, but it sounds like there's no way it will pass. I'm also not sure the "but this is the bill that will pass" argument is a good reason to vote for any bill. My instincts tell me Congress should probably leave the whole issue alone and let the chips fall where they may.

No easy solutions is right. With the allowance of NIL and then unlimited transfers, irreversible damage has been done. I see no way at all of rolling things back. The best way would have been for the sport to regulate itself, but nobody can/will do that. When the NCAA has tried, they've been sued into oblivion.

People say it's the NCAA's fault for not letting players get compensation all along, but allowing them to get compensation is what has caused the mess we're in.
 

Piscis

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No easy solutions is right. With the allowance of NIL and then unlimited transfers, irreversible damage has been done. I see no way at all of rolling things back. The best way would have been for the sport to regulate itself, but nobody can/will do that. When the NCAA has tried, they've been sued into oblivion.

People say it's the NCAA's fault for not letting players get compensation all along, but allowing them to get compensation is what has caused the mess we're in.
Like many problems today, I blame lawyers and the courts. Courts should have refused to hear the cases since no law was being violated and the rules governing college sports were rules agreed to by the members of an association. Any member, or player, could have chosen to leave the association or to not play on a team governed by the association's rules if they didn't like the rules.
 

18IsTheMan

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Like many problems today, I blame lawyers and the courts. Courts should have refused to hear the cases since no law was being violated and the rules governing college sports were rules agreed to by the members of an association. Any member, or player, could have chosen to leave the association or to not play on a team governed by the association's rules if they didn't like the rules.
Yes. Participation, all along, was 100% voluntary. If you don't like the rules, just don't participate.

But we live in a crybaby society.
 

Forkcock

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I know I'm in the minority, but there was wisdom in the NCAA's rules against athletes getting paid so that the amateur, student-athlete model was preserved. And general order was preserved.

We can all think of scenarios where it makes sense to allow an athlete to be compensated...signing autographs, doing a commercial for a local car dealership, etc. We all know what NIL is supposed to be....or ideally would be. The problem is, once you crack open the can of worms for letting them get compensated, there is absolutely no way to regulate it. You either have the NCAA model where no compensation was allowed, or you get what we have now. There is no middle ground. It's unregulatable.

I know it didn't seem fair that schools were raking in millions and coaches were making millions while the players got nothing, but at least that system worked. The game functioned and there was order. "Fairness" has resulted in absolute, unrestrained, runaway chaos. And nobody has a solution.

NIL, on its own, has been devastating. Combined with the portal, it has been a catastrophically toxic brew. Probably irreversible.

What you're saying is that NIL ruined college athletics. I agree, it did. Many of us said that it would and we were called Boomers and told to shut up.

Welp.
 

KingWard

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I know I'm in the minority, but there was wisdom in the NCAA's rules against athletes getting paid so that the amateur, student-athlete model was preserved. And general order was preserved.

We can all think of scenarios where it makes sense to allow an athlete to be compensated...signing autographs, doing a commercial for a local car dealership, etc. We all know what NIL is supposed to be....or ideally would be. The problem is, once you crack open the can of worms for letting them get compensated, there is absolutely no way to regulate it. You either have the NCAA model where no compensation was allowed, or you get what we have now. There is no middle ground. It's unregulatable.

I know it didn't seem fair that schools were raking in millions and coaches were making millions while the players got nothing, but at least that system worked. The game functioned and there was order. "Fairness" has resulted in absolute, unrestrained, runaway chaos. And nobody has a solution.

NIL, on its own, has been devastating. Combined with the portal, it has been a catastrophically toxic brew. Probably irreversible.
I essentially agree. I do believe, however, that schools were not raking in millions in hard dollars but mostly secondary income related to donations and increased applications for admissions. The hard dollars remained within the athletic departments, to sustain and enhance them.

Now, with costs increased, we've reached the alarming point where the schools themselves are throwing money into the athletic departments, as SC did last year to the tune of $42.6 million, $29.3 million in direct operational support. Now, what kind of business model is that, and how sustainable is that?
 

PrestonyteParrot

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I essentially agree. I do believe, however, that schools were not raking in millions in hard dollars but mostly secondary income related to donations and increased applications for admissions. The hard dollars remained within the athletic departments, to sustain and enhance them.

Now, with costs increased, we've reached the alarming point where the schools themselves are throwing money into the athletic departments, as SC did last year to the tune of $42.6 million, $29.3 million in direct operational support. Now, what kind of business model is that, and how sustainable is that?
A failing one!
 

Gamecock Jacque

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I essentially agree. I do believe, however, that schools were not raking in millions in hard dollars but mostly secondary income related to donations and increased applications for admissions. The hard dollars remained within the athletic departments, to sustain and enhance them.

Now, with costs increased, we've reached the alarming point where the schools themselves are throwing money into the athletic departments, as SC did last year to the tune of $42.6 million, $29.3 million in direct operational support. Now, what kind of business model is that, and how sustainable is that?
Harvard could do it forever. 🙂
 
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muscleknight

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Create a collective bargaining agreement and CFBPA

Schools pay a large fee to join

Institute a high school football draft for member schools

Institute a portal draft for existing college players who enter

Players negotiate at least 2 yr deals
 
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Harvard Gamecock

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Like many problems today, I blame lawyers and the courts. Courts should have refused to hear the cases since no law was being violated and the rules governing college sports were rules agreed to by the members of an association. Any member, or player, could have chosen to leave the association or to not play on a team governed by the association's rules if they didn't like the rules.
The US Supreme Court ruled uniamously 9-0 that the NCAA violated Anti Trust laws.
 
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adcoop

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No easy solutions is right. With the allowance of NIL and then unlimited transfers, irreversible damage has been done. I see no way at all of rolling things back. The best way would have been for the sport to regulate itself, but nobody can/will do that. When the NCAA has tried, they've been sued into oblivion.

People say it's the NCAA's fault for not letting players get compensation all along, but allowing them to get compensation is what has caused the mess we're in.
The NCAA could have controlled the compensation if they would have sat down and settled those lawsuits. They didn't and you have to live with the decisions of the courts now. Arrogance can be costly.
 
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adcoop

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Like many problems today, I blame lawyers and the courts. Courts should have refused to hear the cases since no law was being violated and the rules governing college sports were rules agreed to by the members of an association. Any member, or player, could have chosen to leave the association or to not play on a team governed by the association's rules if they didn't like the rules.
Why would the courts not hear the lawsuits? There were players whose rights were genuinely violated. The NCAA gave licensing rights to EA Sports who were clearly using the likeness of players. Players, who admittedly were usually down on their luck, took advantage of the situation and filed suits based on their legal rights being violated. People do it in this country every day.
 
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bloody spur

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I think a very simple formula is within reach. Of course to many amendments would kill it.