Data Shows Illegal Immigration Has Harmed American Workers

[m.knox]

Congratulations to the democratic party!!!

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/border-...t-american-workers-wallets-cc45d6b0?st=rZyQCM

The consensus in Washington held for years that immigration enforcement didn’t impact the wallets of ordinary Americans. Wages, housing costs and job competition were all shaped by larger forces. Border policy was a legal and a cultural question. Its economics were more or less neutral.

As a deputy assistant secretary of the Treasury and later deputy undersecretary of labor in the George W. Bush administration, I worked on, among other things, immigration policy. Concerns about wage pressure were often acknowledged, then set aside as statistically insignificant. The academic literature gave little reason to do otherwise. But now the data has become much clearer and the old consensus harder to defend.

 

[Rifler]

Shocker,.. as if there was any possible way for illegal immigration to be helping American workers.

 

[GDead_Tiger]

>Data shows

>Posts an opinion piece that cherry picks

 

[BelemNole]

Data you say? Let's ask the conservative think tank what they found? Cato?

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigrants-pay-more-taxes-average-person

https://www.cato.org/blog/cato-study-immigrants-reduced-deficits-145-trillion-1994

https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-has-cut-legal-immigration-more-illegal-immigration

https://www.cato.org/testimony/re-amnesty-chaos-abuse-us-immigration-policy

 

[SoProudNole]

Congratulations to the democratic party!!!

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/border-...t-american-workers-wallets-cc45d6b0?st=rZyQCM

The consensus in Washington held for years that immigration enforcement didn’t impact the wallets of ordinary Americans. Wages, housing costs and job competition were all shaped by larger forces. Border policy was a legal and a cultural question. Its economics were more or less neutral.

As a deputy assistant secretary of the Treasury and later deputy undersecretary of labor in the George W. Bush administration, I worked on, among other things, immigration policy. Concerns about wage pressure were often acknowledged, then set aside as statistically insignificant. The academic literature gave little reason to do otherwise. But now the data has become much clearer and the old consensus harder to defend.

 

[Anon1750875978]

Congratulations to the democratic party!!!

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/border-...t-american-workers-wallets-cc45d6b0?st=rZyQCM

The consensus in Washington held for years that immigration enforcement didn’t impact the wallets of ordinary Americans. Wages, housing costs and job competition were all shaped by larger forces. Border policy was a legal and a cultural question. Its economics were more or less neutral.

As a deputy assistant secretary of the Treasury and later deputy undersecretary of labor in the George W. Bush administration, I worked on, among other things, immigration policy. Concerns about wage pressure were often acknowledged, then set aside as statistically insignificant. The academic literature gave little reason to do otherwise. But now the data has become much clearer and the old consensus harder to defend.

The Wall Street Journal???

The Wall Steet Journal owned by Rupert Murdoch???

That Rupert Murdoch???

 

[Ktrain1969]

IF AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CAN TAKE YOUR JOB AS AN AMERICAN WHO GREW UP HERE, ITS DESERVED.

 

[McLovin32]

Shocker,.. as if there was any possible way for illegal immigration to be helping American workers.

I mean, they definitely help farmers, construction/home repair companies, packing plants, etc.

Basically they help the rich folks that employee them, because they can pay them next to nothing for labor jobs that white folks don't want to do. But I'm sure you already knew that.

 

[Finance85]

Legal immigrants of the H1B variety have harmed American workers even more....

 

[SolicitorJacket]

As an immigration attorney, I can say that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. While there is no doubt that it has had some negative effect on the non-industrial blue collar trades, it has also produced a lot towards GDP.

 

[m.knox]

Look at all the whiny lefties putting illegals over Americans....

They really cannot help themselves.

 

[Gibbs_dontbanmetom]

I mean, they definitely help farmers, construction/home repair companies, packing plants, etc.

Basically they help the rich folks that employee them, because they can pay them next to nothing for labor jobs that white folks don't want to do. But I'm sure you already knew that.

Exactly, illegals should be kept out and Americans should be paid a living wage for doing the hard work. By doing both, it would help our economy significantly. But the rich only care about the rich and don’t care how it’s done.
if you’ve ever heard the phrase or used the phrase you couldn’t pay me enough to do that job, it means those people are greatly under paid.

 

[Rifler]

I mean, they definitely help farmers, construction/home repair companies, packing plants, etc.

Basically they help the rich folks that employee them, because they can pay them next to nothing for labor jobs that white folks don't want to do. But I'm sure you already knew that.

Those that you describe as being "helped" aren't American workers,... But I'm sure you already knew that.

 

[BelemNole]

Look at all the whiny lefties putting illegals over Americans....

They really cannot help themselves.

Them damned librols at the Cato Institute!@!11!!

 

[m.knox]

Them damned librols at the Cato Institute!@!11!!

Democrats like choose illegals over Americans.

 

[Anon1750875978]

Democrats like choose illegals over Americans.

In English, please?

 

[m.knox]

In English, please?

LOL... I forgot "and" as in "like and choose illegals over Americans."

 

[baltimorened]

Congratulations to the democratic party!!!

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/border-...t-american-workers-wallets-cc45d6b0?st=rZyQCM

The consensus in Washington held for years that immigration enforcement didn’t impact the wallets of ordinary Americans. Wages, housing costs and job competition were all shaped by larger forces. Border policy was a legal and a cultural question. Its economics were more or less neutral.

As a deputy assistant secretary of the Treasury and later deputy undersecretary of labor in the George W. Bush administration, I worked on, among other things, immigration policy. Concerns about wage pressure were often acknowledged, then set aside as statistically insignificant. The academic literature gave little reason to do otherwise. But now the data has become much clearer and the old consensus harder to defend.

I don't even have to read the replies before I predict-- since this article does not fit the preconceived notions of the left, either the source the WSJ (which was just referenced in another article this morning supporting a left position) will be discounted or the data in the article will be either wrong or biased.

Exactly, illegals should be kept out and Americans should be paid a living wage for doing the hard work. By doing both, it would help our economy significantly. But the rich only care about the rich and don’t care how it’s done.
if you’ve ever heard the phrase or used the phrase you couldn’t pay me enough to do that job, it means those people are greatly under paid.

what amount is a "living wage"

I had people working for me who made 6 figures who used the expression "you don't pay me enough to do that job"....I'm not sure that meant they were underpaid.

But to be clear, we need immigrants...we do not have enough workers if we are going to grow our economy. We just need to be smart about those we allow to enter.

 

[BelemNole]

I don't even have to read the replies before I predict-- since this article does not fit the preconceived notions of the left, either the source the WSJ (which was just referenced in another article this morning supporting a left position) will be discounted or the data in the article will be either wrong or biased.

what amount is a "living wage"

I had people working for me who made 6 figures who used the expression "you don't pay me enough to do that job"....I'm not sure that meant they were underpaid.

But to be clear, we need immigrants...we do not have enough workers if we are going to grow our economy. We just need to be smart about those we allow to enter.

I'm guessing you didn't have to read the Cato Institutes papers either...
Is that because they don't fit your preconceived notions?

 

[baltimorened]

I'm guessing you didn't have to read the Cato Institutes papers either...
Is that because they don't fit your preconceived notions?

I wasn't referring to my notions, only that I know already the tenor of what some of you guys will say before you say it.

Oh, and I'm one of the ones that believe immigrants are good for the country

 

[Billanole.]

Data you say? Let's ask the conservative think tank what they found? Cato?

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigrants-pay-more-taxes-average-person

https://www.cato.org/blog/cato-study-immigrants-reduced-deficits-145-trillion-1994

https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-has-cut-legal-immigration-more-illegal-immigration

https://www.cato.org/testimony/re-amnesty-chaos-abuse-us-immigration-policy

You nailed it, Belem.
@m.knox should read and learn as should @baltimorened

Cato is not some “liberal“ rag.

 

[Ktrain1969]

Exactly, illegals should be kept out and Americans should be paid a living wage for doing the hard work. By doing both, it would help our economy significantly. But the rich only care about the rich and don’t care how it’s done.
if you’ve ever heard the phrase or used the phrase you couldn’t pay me enough to do that job, it means those people are greatly under paid.

YOU AND YOUR TODDLER SHOULD DRIVE TO CONESVILLE AND PICK MUSKMELONS. SHOULD BE FUN. OH AND TELL THE BOSS YOU NEED A LIVING WAGE.

 

[baltimorened]

You nailed it, Belem.
@m.knox should read and learn as should @baltimorened

Cato is not some “liberal“ rag.

@billanole, I'd love to read it, is these a link..if so, I missed it...thanks for pointing it out

 

[kidmike41]

I don't even have to read the replies before I predict-- since this article does not fit the preconceived notions of the left, either the source the WSJ (which was just referenced in another article this morning supporting a left position) will be discounted or the data in the article will be either wrong or biased.

what amount is a "living wage"

I had people working for me who made 6 figures who used the expression "you don't pay me enough to do that job"....I'm not sure that meant they were underpaid.

But to be clear, we need immigrants...we do not have enough workers if we are going to grow our economy. We just need to be smart about those we allow to enter.

Yes what is a living wage?

 

[Gibbs_dontbanmetom]

YOU AND YOUR TODDLER SHOULD DRIVE TO CONESVILLE AND PICK MUSKMELONS. SHOULD BE FUN. OH AND TELL THE BOSS YOU NEED A LIVING WAGE.

 

[baltimorened]

Yes what is a living wage?

I think that question is right up there with what is a "fair share" for taxes?

 

[Billanole.]

@billanole, I'd love to read it, is these a link..if so, I missed it...thanks for pointing it out

Hey @baltimorened, I just saw your post. The links are in post #4 of this thread. Interesting stuff…

 

[baltimorened]

Hey @baltimorened, I just saw your post. The links are in post #4 of this thread. Interesting stuff…

thank you, but now I know why I missed it..believe it or not, my posts go from #3 to number 6...I don't have, 4 or 5. I don't know how that happens...but...

 

[Billanole.]

thank you, but now I know why I missed it..believe it or not, my posts go from #3 to number 6...I don't have, 4 or 5. I don't know how that happens...but...

Look at my post #21.

 

[baltimorened]

Look at my post #21.

OK, did that, still don't see your links..but that's OK...I looked up Cato institute statements on illegal immigration. I accept their positions on taxes, crime etc. I would point on just one thing..the info I saw only went to 2023. And I'm not certain that stopping at that date captures all of the money that was spent on the benefits given to those who came in either right before that date or after it. But that's somewhat of a debatable point that doesn't take away from the points made.

I agree that the "Illegal" point is solve able with legislation and Have made this point before. And, I am in favor of some legislation that would enable some, not all of those in the country illegally to remain. And, at some point in time, not right away, maybe a path to citizenship.

But, I have this "illegal" thing hanging over my thinking. We have laws for a reason, and some of these people have broken our immigration law. Just overlooking that, not only sends the wrong message, but sort of puts a dagger in the oft claimed "no one is above the law". But, I'm not even hung up on that. I know we need more workers if we're going to grow our economy, and if they're here we probably should keep them.

 

[Billanole.]

OK, did that, still don't see your links..but that's OK...I looked up Cato institute statements on illegal immigration. I accept their positions on taxes, crime etc. I would point on just one thing..the info I saw only went to 2023. And I'm not certain that stopping at that date captures all of the money that was spent on the benefits given to those who came in either right before that date or after it. But that's somewhat of a debatable point that doesn't take away from the points made.

I agree that the "Illegal" point is solve able with legislation and Have made this point before. And, I am in favor of some legislation that would enable some, not all of those in the country illegally to remain. And, at some point in time, not right away, maybe a path to citizenship.

But, I have this "illegal" thing hanging over my thinking. We have laws for a reason, and some of these people have broken our immigration law. Just overlooking that, not only sends the wrong message, but sort of puts a dagger in the oft claimed "no one is above the law". But, I'm not even hung up on that. I know we need more workers if we're going to grow our economy, and if they're here we probably should keep them.

 

[Billanole.]

You talk about how “we have laws for a reason…”

What we don’t have is a modern version of Ellis Island. It could be that…
Peeps come to some version of a “processing center“. They apply for entry.
Run a background check.
Check them for disease and provide vaccinations.
Have them go thru citizenship classes.
Allow them to become naturalized if they meet the criteria.
Have a system that provides protection against bad actors and unintended disease transfer, while streamlining the process of bringing in immigrants.

These days, it apparently takes years for applicants to move thru the ‘system”. That is BS.

 

[Fasteddie24]

Illegals have caused the housing shortage in many places

 

[baltimorened]

What we don’t have is a modern version of Ellis Island. It could be that…
Peeps come to some version of a “processing center“. They apply for entry.
Run a background check.
Check them for disease and provide vaccinations.
Have them go thru citizenship classes.
Allow them to become naturalized if they meet the criteria.
Have a system that provides protection against bad actors and unintended disease transfer, while streamlining the process of bringing in immigrants.

These days, it apparently takes years for applicants to move thru the ‘system”. That is BS.

we have multiple "Ellis island" versions...migrants can request asylum at any port of entry...once they do that they can then apply for work permits (usually have to wait 6 months before it takes effect). Yes the process takes a long time and there has been a years long wait for many, many years now. There are specific criteria for asylum to be granted, and from reports about 80% or higher are denied. If the person stays in the US after that is here illegally.

We have a process....and I'm not defending it, just saying that if we don't like it we need to change it.

But, in the interim, if you are here illegally, you're breaking the law. Either enforce it or change it.

 

[Billanole.]

we have multiple "Ellis island" versions...migrants can request asylum at any port of entry...once they do that they can then apply for work permits (usually have to wait 6 months before it takes effect). Yes the process takes a long time and there has been a years long wait for many, many years now. There are specific criteria for asylum to be granted, and from reports about 80% or higher are denied. If the person stays in the US after that is here illegally.

We have a process....and I'm not defending it, just saying that if we don't like it we need to change it.

But, in the interim, if you are here illegally, you're breaking the law. Either enforce it or change it.

There have been complaints for years about “fixing” the immigration process.
Obviously, the fact that you state that it typically takes six months reveals a critical fault.
WTF? Get real with the process, peeps. (Not you ned, but the flipping system.)
Update the process, streamline the process, modernize the process, etc… etc.. etc..
This has been a political football for decades. There was a serious proposal a year or two back that met many Republican talking points, but it failed to reach the House floor. The pubs keep beating up others about reform, but bring nothing to the table.
Get off the pot and cook up a better meal, Lucille.

 

[tigres88]

Illegals have caused the housing shortage in many places

Got a peer reviewed study that shows this?