I'm not ducking this. I am squaring up, facing you, and telling you to go ML yourself. I'm not engaging you on this because it's a stupid gotcha attempt where you want to bicker over pennies. You operate in bad faith. I'm not playing your game.
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Edit: Go ML yourself?? Have no idea what that means as I’m an adult, but do you think your reaction to my request for elaboration on your “billionaires are thieves” post could possibly be a slight overreaction?
“Bicker over pennies”? What a bizarre comment. You’ve chosen to disparage an entire group based on an arbitrary figure of wealth. Trying to determine who belongs in that group and who doesnt seems pertinent if inclusion in that group means you’re Lucifer’s spawn
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Who do you think I was referring to with you quoting my "evil to the bone comment?" I wasn't calling you, your party... that, and you know it. To clarify, which is crazy that someone with your education is having to be spoken to like a 10 year old, but here goes.
Our government is evil to the bone.
Some billionaires are evil to the bone.
Our government is evil to the bone.
Some billionaires are not evil to the bone.
Our government is evil to the bone.
We’re going to see all sorts of diversion tactics, temper tantrums, semantic games, etc. in the next days and weeks by Leftists.
Even more than usual I mean.
So because I didn't agree with you 100% on all billionaires being bad people, this is your response. Classic. Yeah, I know you and I have a past, and name calling, insulting... have been all too common, but come on man.
Where did you get me not crucifying all billionaires to me blaming people that use WIC for ruining the economy? Where? Jeez, Datt.
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I’m still waiting for more details concerning the Iran “deal” to come out before I really dig into breaking it down, but this is just too funny not to mention. A worse deal than the JCPOA, and we’re giving them $300 billion?
Has the right not complained about the money aspect of the JCPOA for over a decade now? Truly the art of the deal.
Has the right not complained about the money aspect of the JCPOA for over a decade now? Truly the art of the deal.
Do you know the joke around "#notallmen"? You're doing that, but with billionaires.
full context:
"I'm not saying the Right is good, cause they aren't. But they don't hold a candle to the Left. They are a cunning bunch, evil to the bone. They plant liberals into positions of power, and let that thinking be what most kids hear. Like a pyramid, where it all flows down. What better place to indoctrinate than in education?"
The bold "they"? That's a direct reference to the Left, and specifically, educators. You were referring to the Left, not the government. The Left.
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Number one, I never said all billionaires are bad people or that we should crucify them. You & @KDSTONE added that and ran with it. Another example of operating in bad faith.
I said no one can earn a billion dollars. You can't. You would have to work every hour of every day for 50 years at $2,283.11 per hour to make a billion dollars. Nobody earns that. Your money works for you to get you there, not the other way around.
I hear Elon just became the world's first trillionaire. His net worth grew by $250 million just this weekend. We could tax every cent of that and he would still have the same amount of money he had Friday. $10 billion -- 1% of his wealth -- could fix poverty across the entire country and beyond. No more homelessness, no more hunger. But y'all think it's enough that he creates jobs while hoarding more and more wealth.
And number two, I was not referring specifically & personally to you re: WIC. It should be a familiar talking point, though. It's been around since Reagan's mythical "welfare queen." And every time you point at Somali daycare fraud you're doing the same thing: pearl-clutching over a drop in the bucket when an "other" does it, but turning a blind eye to how billionaires are milking us dry.
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The first part? It's true. The left does exactly that, and have been doing so for a long time. It's a known fact. The majority of the administration in colleges lean to the left, and it's like a pyramid. Start at the top, and work downward. That's how you shape minds.
It's calculated, cunning, and yes, evil.
You were triggered about my stance on billionaires (the second post), and lumped both as one. Do I like that Elon is a trillionaire? Not really. I honestly do not know how much he pays in taxes. I'll say this again, if he's doing something illegal, then I hope he gets punished. But on that note, the tax laws are such a mangled mess. Isn't it the government though that sets our tax laws, to then be handled by the IRS?
Why doesn't Congress do anything about it? The answer to that is most likely simple: too many have been bought off.
Again though, you're the one "pearl clutching," as you say, by lumping all billionaires into the same "dirty club."
Is everyone that uses WIC using it correctly, or are there some out there taking advantage of it?
I JUST told you I didn't say all billionaires are bad people. You even quoted me.
I'm sure lots of people are abusing WIC. And I am sure that all of them put together are a drop in the bucket compared to the grift our President is doing right now. For over 40 years, conservative politicians have been distracting you from what they're doing by blaming the poor.
I don't hang out long enough to get triggered. Case in point...
And you're essentially saying to my face that I am evil. ML you.
I don't think you're evil, no. Brainwashed, yes. The team you support is. They are evil to the bone, with no desire to make this country better. The right has a bunch of gutless cowards too. But hey, they are probably worse than I think they are.
Why don't you have more hostility towards Congress? They set the tax laws. Say it Datt. You know you want to. It's because the same people you loathe are bribing the same people you and I have argued for years over who's better. The first step towards recovery is admitting you have a problem. And yours is being locked into party politics.
At this point in 2026, being the better side is like being the tallest midget.
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77 today. It’s gotta long way to go. Dont sweat it Lower gas prices are a good thing. Or are they?
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A key component of any nuclear deal would be the removal of the “dust” as you like to refer to it. J/k The IAEA and US are the logical parties tasked. Many of your bolder predictions have not come to pass: ground troops by Easter, Iran will be left in control of the strait at the end the war, etc
It’s too early to fully analyze the deal until we actually see what’s in it, but early indicators aren’t promising. Whether it’s through unfreezing Iranian assets or a 300 b “Gulf Coast Reconstruction Fund”, enriching this regime to this extent is foolish to put it mildly and Trump’s legacy such as it is will be linked to future funding of proxies. He can no longer blame Obama, Biden, or any of the usual fall guys. This is on him going forward. Everything this admin has done the past two months reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of what makes the IRGC tick. This is a regime that withstood an 8 year with Iraq and never blinked and Trump thought they would fold after an air campaign.
In the short run, their ballistic missile stockpile was degraded, their navy destroyed which was largely irrelevant in the first place.
Vance might as well wear a permanent dunce cap at this point. Iran requested him at negotiations for a reason. His comments about Iran behaving “ like a normal country” going forward reflects a deep ignorance
about the core identity of this regime. They export jihad because it lies at the heart of its belief system.
Now they’ve been reminded that they’ll be financially rewarded for it as well.
The lifting of sanctions and sunset provisions appear at the moment to be in the deal, two of the most often criticized aspects of the JCPOA.
We’ve long said anytime anywhere inspections are a must. We’ll see on that front.
I think this tweet from Lindsey shows how JD Vance is being positioned as the fall guy for this by the neocons. JD should have seen this coming, though. They won’t blame Trump, especially since they’re counting on his endorsement for the midterms.
Anyone who casts their lot with Trump gets burned in the end. There’s no reward for loyalty and *** kissing. He’ll use you up until there’s nothing left and then cast you aside.
I’m also skeptical that anything will be signed this week. We’ve won this war at least 60 times already, according to the President. They tout deals every week that subsequently fall apart as soon as the stock market closes. So I’ll believe there’s a deal in place when we actually see the terms being followed by all sides.
I believe that the MOU released by Iran is the real one, though. Throughout this whole ordeal, sadly, the information they’ve released has been by far the most accurate compared to what’s been put out by the White House. It’s been reported that U.S. negotiators have told the Iranians to completely disregard the President’s social media posts, as they are strictly for domestic consumption rather than actual policy.
How far have we fallen that the President’s words mean nothing?
I agree that we need to see the actual MOU that’s been agreed upon. I think it’s pretty telling, though, that our side hasn’t released it yet when it’s literally just a few short days until it’s supposed to be signed.
It’s also interesting how they’re packaging this as a peace deal when it’s really just a 60 day ceasefire intended to allow them to work out the actual details of any agreement going forward. None of the hard stuff has even been agreed upon.
I have more thoughts on what a nuclear agreement can and should look like, but I’ll wait until we have more information.
Part of the reason this deal is gaining traction though is that the oil reserves are running out around the world. Most analysts were predicting that the dominoes would start falling at the beginning of July.
Make no mistake, though, if what is currently being floated is real, this is arguably one of the largest strategic defeats the U.S. has ever suffered.
The long term ramifications for our standing and power in the Middle East are dire. This is a huge victory for Iran and would arguably make them a world power with their newfound leverage over the strait.
They don’t even need to build a real nuclear bomb in the future. They’ve now figured out that they’ve always had an economic nuclear bomb in their pocket through their ability to shut down the flow of energy in the region.
This war has set off a chain of events that will be bad for the U.S., bad for Israel, and bad for the West. Simply catastrophic.
1 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles.
2 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs.
3 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a maximum period of 60 days, extendable by mutual consent.
4 — Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement.
5 — Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the Islamic Republic of Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran.
6 — The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, while ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days.
7 — The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, both primary and secondary.
8 — The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran’s nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.
9 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region.
10 — The United States undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the United States Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like.
11 — The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.
12 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that an implementation mechanism will be established to oversee the successful implementation of and future commitment to the Final Agreement.
13 — Following the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and upon receipt of assurances regarding the commencement of implementation of Articles 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this Memorandum of Understanding, and the continued implementation of these steps, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States will enter into negotiations for a Final Agreement solely with respect to the remaining Articles.
14 — The final agreement will be approved through a binding resolution of the UN Security Council.
I’m glad I haven’t eaten breakfast yet. That said, CNN definitely an upgrade over Aaron Rupar, but I’ll wait until we’re sure this is the accurate, final draft
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I'm not a Democrat. I've told you this repeatedly.
This evil or/and brainwashed crap is a nonstarter.
The very thing you accuse others of, like defending Trump, is exactly what you do with ANY of the elected Democrats. But that's right, you say you're not a Democrat. Gotcha.
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Yoda has exiled himself to the Dagobah system apparently. He hasn’t been here in what six weeks? Hope he makes it back. I’ve already suggested that this “deal” didn’t smell right. How quickly a whiff becomes a stench.
An epic disaster. Iran promises they won’t build a nuclear weapon. Great. How will that be enforced exactly? Could this mou be any more vague? This should have been ironed out in great detail before their oil spigot was turned back on. It would be comical if it weren’t so sad.
Even a lot of Fox News types are calling this for the ******** that it is. Trump claimed earlier that Iran’s ballistic missile program has been annihilated, yet here he is saying that it’s not “fair if they don’t have any since Qatar and Saudi Arabia have some”.
Per Israel, yes with the foreign aid received, the US will have a great deal of leverage over Israeli military conduct, but not to the point he’s dictating foreign policy to a sovereign state. Not when Hezbollah has never stopped firing rockets and drones into northern Israel. The word Lebanon should have never appeared on this mou Another victory for Iran.
The most crucial mistake in all this was the failure to secure the Strait from the outset. This, as you’ve mentioned, gave Iran unprecedented leverage in negotiations. You can’t win a decisive military victory if you’re unwilling to incur casualties. Iran knew the US military had handcuffs on from Day 1.
This mou doesn’t reflect a nation desperate for a deal, one that’s been hammered into submission. Trump has been played. Wouldn’t be surprised to see top military brass resign in the near future. No way they signed on to this ****.
I defend the only people you ever attack against the extremism of those attacks. In yet another episode of "Every Accusation is Confession," you only attack Democrats, liberals, and progressives. It was never a debate about President Biden's policies, for example; it was always about whether he was the absolute worst President by far in all of US history. It's never a debate about Hillary or Kamala or AOC's policies; it's always about whether they are the stupidest people in the history of people or about what they look like physically because that's all that you value in women. I can name 7 Presidents who were worse than Biden without even getting closer to the present than President Nixon: Fillmore, Pierce, Buchanan, A Johnson, Wilson, Harding, Hoover. Shoot, forget Nixon -- I barely had to scratch the 1930s. That's while avoiding conservative darlings, too.
I emphatically denounced that brief liberal poster here who openly wished for President Trump's death. You've never done anything close to that breaking of ranks. Only when pressed do you offer milquetoast grimaces about vague things like President Trump's rhetoric being unseemly. And to some extent, it's too little too late, mac. You voted for the man 3 times. You still don't accept that he lost fair & square in 2020. You still think any and all opposition to him is because of TDS.
You're poorly educated, poorly informed, and poorly spoken, mac.
For the sake of future debates, let’s roll back the tape on the Iran war to see how we got here. I told you guys what was really happening the whole way, and I told you exactly how this would play out in the end. I wasn’t BSing you. I wasn’t exaggerating or just trying to bash Trump. I told you the truth. And you attacked me nonstop for it. Please keep that in mind for future discussions.
Now, this is certainly not over, and there will be uncertainty for a long time to come. I doubt an actual nuclear deal will ever be facilitated by this moron. It’ll be something else the next president has to fix. But we supposedly have a ceasefire agreement that Trump signed at Versailles (how fitting, right?). The problem is that Trump is essentially a toddler with dementia, and as people point out how terrible the deal is and how incompetent he and his administration are, he could choose to pursue additional self-immolation and further escalate the situation, leading to an even worse outcome.
That is the wrong move. Ending this conflict now is the right decision, though it should never have been started in the first place. This is arguably the largest strategic military defeat in U.S. history. Iran is now a world power in its own right, with its ability to shut down the strait, the complete removal of sanctions, and the generous pallets of cash given to it by the Trump administration. It, not Israel, will become the dominant power in the region. That would never have happened had this war not been started. Netanyahu should be held accountable for his role in this by the citizens of Israel. On the home front, Trump should fire his entire cabinet immediately for their incompetence and bring in people who can actually do the job. His presidency is over, and if Republicans were smart, they would tell him to F off since primary season is essentially over and, with it, any power he had over them.
For the U.S., the most damaging aspect of this is not a high casualty count, it’s not the destroyed bases and equipment, and it’s not even the loss of future influence in the region. It’s that our status as the lone true superpower in the world, with the ability to impose our will around the globe, has now been shattered, and there will be ramifications for that in the future.
This is why elections matter. This is why qualifications matter. Donald Trump should never have sniffed the Oval Office, and we will all pay the price for that mistake now. He was never the lesser of two evils.
Now, this is certainly not over, and there will be uncertainty for a long time to come. I doubt an actual nuclear deal will ever be facilitated by this moron. It’ll be something else the next president has to fix. But we supposedly have a ceasefire agreement that Trump signed at Versailles (how fitting, right?). The problem is that Trump is essentially a toddler with dementia, and as people point out how terrible the deal is and how incompetent he and his administration are, he could choose to pursue additional self-immolation and further escalate the situation, leading to an even worse outcome.
That is the wrong move. Ending this conflict now is the right decision, though it should never have been started in the first place. This is arguably the largest strategic military defeat in U.S. history. Iran is now a world power in its own right, with its ability to shut down the strait, the complete removal of sanctions, and the generous pallets of cash given to it by the Trump administration. It, not Israel, will become the dominant power in the region. That would never have happened had this war not been started. Netanyahu should be held accountable for his role in this by the citizens of Israel. On the home front, Trump should fire his entire cabinet immediately for their incompetence and bring in people who can actually do the job. His presidency is over, and if Republicans were smart, they would tell him to F off since primary season is essentially over and, with it, any power he had over them.
For the U.S., the most damaging aspect of this is not a high casualty count, it’s not the destroyed bases and equipment, and it’s not even the loss of future influence in the region. It’s that our status as the lone true superpower in the world, with the ability to impose our will around the globe, has now been shattered, and there will be ramifications for that in the future.
This is why elections matter. This is why qualifications matter. Donald Trump should never have sniffed the Oval Office, and we will all pay the price for that mistake now. He was never the lesser of two evils.
I’m back. I totally forgot how I got here in the first place online. Sorry for my disappearance. I have a lot of thoughts about this so called deal. too many to out them all in one post. But here are a few…
1) On its surface, this proposed deal is terrible, I don’t like it AT ALL!!
2) I don’t trust even with verifying Iran would adhere to ANY deal regardless of what’s on the piece of paper. So the fact this deal sucks may not even matter because I don’t see Iran adhering to it at all, and we will be forced to bomb the shiz out of the in the future regardless. Sadly.
3) I DO love having the Strait of hormuz open, I think it will cause oil prices and our gas prices to plummet and improve the US and global economy and I realize this is the biggest reason Trump agreed to this terrible idea of a deal to begin with. But again, no chance that Iran honors this or any deal so ultimately we will have to go back and use more stick than carrot.
4) I don’t wanna talk over anyone’s head here, but there’s a bigger picture to all of this, we’re being manipulated by the global elite in London, and with the Lords of London Insurance people, with the threatened closure or restriction of oil, but those people use as an instrument to extract money from us or control us, from the weapons builders that want us to be in constant wars so they can get their weapons contract contracts consistently paid for, they spend a percentage of all that money they make to support certain ones of our political candidates, and those candidates, then promote certain agendas that support forever wars, and the global lead continue to manipulate us. I think that what Trump is trying to do is detach us from let’s call it “the matrix.“. To empower America 1st., and this deal is a step in that direction. Now, if we ultimately gave billions or hundreds of billions of dollars to Iran, like this deal on its surface, suggests as possible., that’s a disaster. But if this deal is what I believe it to be., just a way to get the straight of Hormuz open, lower our gas prices, improve the economy, and we all believe the same thing, that Iran will 100% violate the terms of this deal, they probably won’t allow us to go in initially and take the nuclear material or destroy it, and when they do violate the terms of this deal and we know that they will because they always do, then no more carrot and the steel becomes null amd void, and we go back in and bomb the crap out of them again, until we can negotiate a much better much better terms that did not prop up or empower in any way this evil Iranian regime. I know much of this is too much for most people to understand or believe. He’d have to also believe that the vaccines were designed to manipulate and control us which they were., you’d have to also believe that big Pharma and the processed food companies are in bed together and are designed to manipulating control us in order to keep us sick so they can maximize their profits.
I’ll leave you with this… if you ever want to know what’s going on in this country and around the world, all we have to do is follow the money. The politicians and the forever wars, the global leaders, the banking system., it’s all controlled by and feeds into the global elite, and those global elites are often very evil selfish satanic people. And they do not care what’s best for all of us here the average person. They care most about themselves. How they can keep and grow their power., and then share it with generations to come. That’s the sad truth.
Only you would take my comment about Biden and run with it, digging to then come back saying President's decades before were worse. No surprise, but you're totally dodging the overall point I made. Biden was not competent, didn't make any decisions, and you know it. Do you still believe in the Easter Bunny too? For the humpteenth time, you're simply blind to party politics. I won't deny you're educated, and have more than I do. You lose almost all credibility though because your level of being indoctrinated surpasses your education. The sad, end result is it's severely stunted you mentally.
DC is just too corrupt a place, especially if you want to stay in politics. Republicans are useless too. But I believe the Democrat's are even scarier. I think their views are destructive. So sadly, when I vote, it's Republican. Not because I love that candidate though.
The reason you haven't read me denouncing any conservative poster wishing death on a left wing politician is because none here ever have. We have called them names, mocked them, but nothing to that level and you know it.
Datt, you're soft as Charmin.
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Agree with most of that, but one quibble would be we still have the ability to impose our will, but it’s hard to envision a no risk scenario, in which to do so, in which our troops would not be in danger. It’s a fairy tale scenario probably made easier by the ease with which we dispatched Maduro. To exert max pressure on this regime, ground troops had to at least be on the table.
Let’s not lose sight of perhaps the greatest casualty in all this: the people of Iran, especially the women. Not too long ago they were told “Help is on the way”. Another unkept promise from this corrupt madman.
By including Lebanon in this mou, this admin has legitimized Iran’s use of terrorist proxies although they may be too incompetent to comprehend this. Hard to say at this point.
Not only do the Iranian people feel betrayed but I’m sure our servicemen and women do as well. Putting themselves in harm’s way for nothing. They deserved better. As great as our military is, it’s difficult to imagine how inept you have to be to squander that advantage and negotiate from a position of weakness.
I took one little part out of this here, and removed your four points because they can get debated. Not this part though. It's so weird that you never hear anyone left of center talking about this. They still buy what the msm is selling I guess. They are delusional. To them, their side is the good side, and the other side are the evil monsters.
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2). This war was deeply unpopular. If there’s another round of bombing, it will be even more so. Thanks to the ineptitude of this campaign, Iran now knows they can close the Strait and Trump will insult them on his X account, but the only real consequence will be that gas prices will go up and Trump will cut and run. They’ll just wait it out.
3) The Strait was open before this began. I supported the first two months, but we were always eyeing the endgame to ultimately render a verdict. The verdict is in. We all appreciate lower gas prices and the positive ripple effects for the economy, esp for businesses and lower income Americans, but opening the Strait is a cleanup of the mess he made, not a victory. Itan benefits from an open strait financially as much as anyone.
4) You lost me at Lord’s of London. Guess it was over my head.
Good to have you back yoda.
To achieve regime change or to manually force open the strait was always going to require boots on the ground, and Iran knew that from the start. Using air power alone just doesn’t work, especially when the enemy has been entrenching itself for just such an occasion for 50 years. The casualties on our side would have been enormous. The fact that our “leaders” didn’t fill up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve before starting a war should tell you all you need to know about their competence.
Assuming the current agreement actually holds, which is a pretty big assumption, the entire dynamic has been fundamentally changed in the Middle East. Needless to say, this is not going over very well in Israel, but I’ll save that one for later. Today, we’ll focus on the winners, Iran is a country of 90 million people. With the complete relief of sanctions and the allowance of foreign investment, it will rebound and become much stronger very quickly. I hope that foreign investment and the benefits that come with it have a positive influence on the regime and help lead to a better outcome for the Iranian people as well as their neighbors. I would expect (hopefully) closer cooperation with the US in the future out of simple necessity for both parties. They need to sell their resources, after all. After this debacle, it’s going to be a long, long time before any US president ever considers doing something like this again.
On the bright side, the Strait is ultimately a depreciating asset. Each time there’s a supply shock in the oil market, it pushes more people and countries toward alternative energy sources. Even though we pretend otherwise in this country for political reasons, oil and fossil fuels will continue to lose market dominance in the coming years. The downside is that we’ve allowed China to dominate much of the green technology sector and supply chain, once again because our president is a moron, and they stand to benefit the most from that new reality. I would also expect the other Middle Eastern nations in the region to begin frantically building alternative methods to bypass the strait and get their resources out. This will be difficult to drone-proof, though, so I don’t think it changes the status quo.
It’s a brave new world after this, and I hope you guys appreciate how big a deal this actually is and all the new scenarios that are now possible. Both good and bad. All we can do at this point is hope for the best.
Hold on a minute now. So the left doesn’t complain about the “global elite”? Who do you think the global elite are, if not the billionaires and lone trillionaire you’ve been defending all week? Do you not see the irony in that statement?
People should pay attention to what the media says, not left or right, just pay attention. All these so called media experts on both sides of the aisle appear to want forever war, they’re upset about this peace deal, that isn’t even a deal yet, and to me, it suggests these are war mongering politicians on both sides that want us to keep bombing Iran, look at how long Israel has been attacking and bombing right next door to them, for years and years, killing tens of thousands of people, many of them not evil Gaza killers, bombing hospitals and schools partially because that’s where these evil people hide. And years later Gaza still has evildoers in those tunnels now!! How has that forever war worked out? It’s made Israel look terrible. At this point they aren’t defending themsleves, they’re just attacking and attacking which is creating more and more desperate people who will hate Israel. We don’t want the whole world hating us. We crushed Iran with thousands of missiles, their military is destroyed, there Are 90 million people living in Iran we don’t want to destroy their entire country, we want to destroy and weaken the IRGC regime enough that the Iranian people can rise up and overthrow that regime, not us. That’s NOT OUR JOB!! and Iran is wayyyyy bigger than Gaza. And Israel has not done a great job there.
if you all listen to JD Vance and Rubio speak about this could be deal, they are much better communicators than Trump. They do a great job explaining our goals from this could be deal. Yes what’s up? Where OK? I don’t know. Let me think about that for a minute. OK Dr. Micheal let’s do. Let’s do a call with him so so we can navigate Best.
We had to eliminate Iran’s bombs production and capability, and we had to eliminate their ability to build a nuclear bomb and I think that we did that. If it wasn’t Trump that did it. It was going to have to be a weaker president like Biden, who sucked and was unconscious throughout his presidency, or Obama who’s turning out to be a criminal. They all kicked the can down the road and if we had not acted now around would have a nuclear bomb or 11, and they could do a lot more than block the strait of hormuz. Thank goodness we had and we have a strong president who puts America first he’s not perfect. I’m not a huge Trump fan or supporter, but I do like America first presidents who project strength and not weakness and not pathetic. Weakness like Biden did. That was a joke of a president. Probably the worst president we’ve ever had. I’m glad that we weekend, Iran, i’d have liked it if we had weakened them even further and we still can. But right now we’re trying to strengthen the economy after battering the heck out of Iran’s military, which was very important to do.
You don't know what I do or don't know but you insist on pretending you can read my mind. That's small town thinking, mac: the idea that every reasonable person thinks the same way.
Your extremism has always been a dealbreaker in any discussion we have.
No I don’t, because you’re twisting it. Sure, there’s far left whack groups that protest the elite rich, but they’re doing it while spewing anti capitalism type gibberish. These same people aren’t productive at all. Most level headed people know this. You can call them many things, but fair ain’t one of them. They no more want a fair system than I want to jump out of an airplane.
Guys like Datt and you are anti billionaire. I have repeatedly said many are bad people. Are you saying ALL billionaires are in bed with the global elites, or are the global elites? Seems that you are. I totally disagree with this. Maybe I’m wrong.
Again though, you’ve done nothing but twist the point the poster yoda and I made. It’s either out of being indoctrinated, or incompetence. Either way, it’s not good.
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Datt, I’ve read your posts for years. I have a real good idea how you are, and what you stand for. Unless you’ve done nothing but troll us. If that’s true, then you deserve an award.
You are complaining about the “global elite” while simultaneously distancing yourself from the fact that the actual global elite consists of the billionaires you defend. How am I twisting anything? Do you think the global elite is made up of the peasant class, homeless people, or literally anyone other than the super rich? OMG, is it… THE TEACHERS?
You’re the one twisting yourself into knots. I’ve already told you I’m not anti billionaire and I’m not trying to come across as mean here; this is just legitimately funny. Do you really not see the connection?
Seriously, can you not read, or are you intentionally being obtuse? It sounds like you’re saying I’m defending billionaires simply because I’m not calling ALL of them part of the global elite club. The same club that I, and many others, think are evil people, and have said so on numerous occasions.
I’m gonna put this in all caps lock this time, and ask that you inhale, pause, then slowly exhale while reading it. Here goes duckey, so continue reading please.
MANY BILLIONAIRES ARE BAD (EVIL) PEOPLE. I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I DON’T THINK ALL ARE BAD THOUGH.
Honestly, what’s wrong with this view? It seems pretty straightforward to me.
“At this point they’re not defending themselves, they’re just attacking and attacking”. This is a common narrative, but is it based in reality? Are you aware that since Oct 7, Hamas has fired an estimated 19,000 rockets into Israel, most targeted at civilians? How many would it take for Israel to have a right to defend itself? 30,000? 100,000? Most of these rockets were fired from apt buildings, schools, hospitals, etc.
“For years and years”. It was two years, and as mentioned previously and rarely covered by the media, Hamas was lobbing rockets into Israel for the entirety of this time. If Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, at any time released the hostages and stopping firing at Israel, the Idf would have stopped bombing.
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You must have been in a coma for the past week if you think this deal is projecting American strength. This is the most embarrassed I’ve been of a President in my lifetime. Far worse than the Afghan withdrawal, due to the stakes involved. Trump has given the green light for Iran to continue to fund terror proxies and also given the okay for Iran to resume its ballistic missile program so I have no clue what you’re going on about.
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