How California became a case study in failed governance

Finance85

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People should be free to choose how they are governed, That was the beauty of the original design of the United States. Unfortunately, civics hasn't become an important part of education. Unfortunately Gibbons v Ogden started us down the wrong path. Then 16A and 17A happened and we became what the founders hated. But I digress.

California is a single party state, The notion of democracy only extends to how far left is too far. That's OK, because people are free to move. California is necessary for the country because they are the greatest experiment in the modern world - we get to see what works and what doesn't work and have the opportunity to learn if we choose to.
 
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People should be free to choose how they are governed, That was the beauty of the original design of the United States. Unfortunately, civics hasn't become an important part of education. Unfortunately Gibbons v Ogden started us down the wrong path. Then 16A and 17A happened and we became what the founders hated. But I digress.

California is a single party state, The notion of democracy only extends to how far left is too far. That's OK, because people are free to move. California is necessary for the country because they are the greatest experiment in the modern world - we get to see what works and what diesn't work ad have the opportunity to learn if we choose to.

Yeah, they tried allowing "the people" to have the ability to govern themselves ... that was the intent of the Articles of Confederation ... and they very quickly realized just how ineffective that was, and how the States wouldn't survive it at all (thanks, sh!!t-arse Southern states for being completely ineffectual at managing yourself).

Then they tried to rectify this situation by establishing a more powerful centralized government, but kept coming up against intense opposition by the very parties that were the problem in the first place, so they had to create weird-arse compromises just to get the people who couldn't effectively govern themselves, and who needed to own people in order to survive, to sign on.

These people who opposed a more centralized government would, years later, go on to try to break away from this country, and were willing to kill many, many Americans for the right to do so ... because they STILL couldn't effectively self-govern and STILL needed to own people to survive.

Oh, and other things the Founders "hated" - a strong standing military (the greatest internal threat to democracy, in their opinion) and the threat of tyranny via king-like powers.
 

Allornothing

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Yeah, they tried allowing "the people" to have the ability to govern themselves ... that was the intent of the Articles of Confederation ... and they very quickly realized just how ineffective that was, and how the States wouldn't survive it at all (thanks, sh!!t-arse Southern states for being completely ineffectual at managing yourself).

Then they tried to rectify this situation by establishing a more powerful centralized government, but kept coming up against intense opposition by the very parties that were the problem in the first place, so they had to create weird-arse compromises just to get the people who couldn't effectively govern themselves, and who needed to own people in order to survive, to sign on.

These people who opposed a more centralized government would, years later, go on to try to break away from this country, and were willing to kill many, many Americans for the right to do so ... because they STILL couldn't effectively self-govern and STILL needed to own people to survive.

Oh, and other things the Founders "hated" - a strong standing military (the greatest internal threat to democracy, in their opinion) and the threat of tyranny via king-like powers.
GFY ******!

You are always wrong.........about everything.

At what point do you just admit you are wrong? I'll wait.

This is 2026 fVcker, not 1776/1860, or whatever date you pull out your a$$.
 

Hotshoe

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Yeah, they tried allowing "the people" to have the ability to govern themselves ... that was the intent of the Articles of Confederation ... and they very quickly realized just how ineffective that was, and how the States wouldn't survive it at all (thanks, sh!!t-arse Southern states for being completely ineffectual at managing yourself).

Then they tried to rectify this situation by establishing a more powerful centralized government, but kept coming up against intense opposition by the very parties that were the problem in the first place, so they had to create weird-arse compromises just to get the people who couldn't effectively govern themselves, and who needed to own people in order to survive, to sign on.

These people who opposed a more centralized government would, years later, go on to try to break away from this country, and were willing to kill many, many Americans for the right to do so ... because they STILL couldn't effectively self-govern and STILL needed to own people to survive.

Oh, and other things the Founders "hated" - a strong standing military (the greatest internal threat to democracy, in their opinion) and the threat of tyranny via king-like powers.
What absolute nonsense. It had nothing to do with, "the people ruling." You lack all context in how we got to a Constitution. A Constitution in which, Jefferson wasn't even a part of. It's precisely because, the Articles of Confederation was a starting point, and did not take into consideration, all of the factors involved in forming a nation and ruling it properly. It was precisely about, not allowing a monarchy. The U.S. Constitution added several additions, from a military, to judicial and executive branches, and the ability to raise funds. All those states you speak of, already had their own state governments, elected by the people.

The Articles of Confederation were literally formed in 1776 during the American Revolution to have our first government, just to fight, arm, and feed our military, and to try and gain Independence. It formed, the United States of America through the Dickinson Draft, and took a year for Congress to adopt, and wasn't even ratified until 1781. It didn't even have a president. It was weak, but it was absolutely needed at the time. Give me your plan to do better in the middle of a war against the world's first super power, England, with no timely communication available.

Ffs, Ukraine can't even have a presidential election today, and we fought a war for independence without a proper government. We also had a presidential election during our Civil War. Sit down, clueless one.
 
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As a person who actually lives in California, I do not share this perspective.
Your state is so rich and bountiful, it should never be billions in the black. $500 billion to be exact. That is a fail, and massive mismanagement. Homeless, taxes, regulations, water and massive school issues. It's a fail.
 
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SeaPA

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People should be free to choose how they are governed, That was the beauty of the original design of the United States. Unfortunately, civics hasn't become an important part of education. Unfortunately Gibbons v Ogden started us down the wrong path. Then 16A and 17A happened and we became what the founders hated. But I digress.

California is a single party state, The notion of democracy only extends to how far left is too far. That's OK, because people are free to move. California is necessary for the country because they are the greatest experiment in the modern world - we get to see what works and what diesn't work ad have the opportunity to learn if we choose to.

You could write that 2nd paragraph & substitute Florida/right for California/left. We are very much a one party state.
 

Moogy

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GFY ******!

You are always wrong.........about everything.

At what point do you just admit you are wrong? I'll wait.

This is 2026 fVcker, not 1776/1860, or whatever date you pull out your a$$.

Boardies, just keep in mind that Allornothing has the same right to vote that you do. Even though he’s obviously mentally compromised, he has the same power to select our government as you do. This is what we’re up against.

What absolute nonsense. It had nothing to do with, "the people ruling." You lack all context in how we got to a Constitution. A Constitution in which, Jefferson wasn't even a part of. It's precisely because, the Articles of Confederation was a starting point, and did not take into consideration, all of the factors involved in forming a nation and ruling it properly. It was precisely about, not allowing a monarchy. The U.S. Constitution added several additions, from a military, to judicial and executive branches, and the ability to raise funds. All those states you speak of, already had their own state governments, elected by the people.

The Articles of Confederation were literally formed in 1776 during the American Revolution to have our first government, just to fight, arm, and feed our military, and to try and gain Independence. It formed, the United States of America through the Dickinson Draft, and took a year for Congress to adopt, and wasn't even ratified until 1781. It didn't even have a president. It was weak, but it was absolutely needed at the time. Give me your plan to do better in the middle of a war against the world's first super power, England, with no timely communication available.

Ffs, Ukraine can't even have a presidential election today, and we fought a war for independence without a proper government. We also had a presidential election during our Civil War. Sit down, clueless one.

You literally didn't address, nor combat, anything I said. Your comments are barely comprehensible anymore. Seriously, do you have some kind of age-related mental impairment (Alzheimer's/dementia)? You used to be a hypocritical, biased d-bag, who couldn't back what he claimed, but it was nothing like this. Now, you're so angry, right away, and you can't seem to form thoughts, or sentences. And whatever you do put down, is so completely off topic/irrelevant ... it's just very concerning. I don't mean concerning about you, specifically ... you're a terrible person ... more so, for those who could be harmed by you (in one of your rages, or when you do something dangerous and you don't even realize it), or those who will need to care for you as you deteriorate. You also seem like the type who, if you had such an impairment, you would never admit it to anyone, and you'd just make the life of everyone around as miserable as possible while you claim nothing is wrong, and it's all their fault.
 
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Finance85

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You could write that 2nd paragraph & substitute Florida/right for California/left. We are very much a one party state.
That's true, as well as a few other states. To reiterate, our country was designed to be a collection of states, with governance focused at the state level. For those wanting to twist my words, I chose them carefully. There are functions that can only be handled at the federal level. In todays world there are many functions at the federal level that should be handled at the state/local level. Then each state would really be free to rule themselves and people would be free to live in a place that best suits their beliefs and how they want to live life.

Since I don't live in California, I only care about how California affects me in a negative way. Of course that's true of how all states affect me in a negative way, and that's wasteful spending of federal funds. That's universal, and a matter of degrees.
 

Allornothing

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Got dam. The Clemson Board MAGAs make the IOWA board MAGAs look like rocket scientists. It really is something to behold.
To the best of my knowledge, none of us MAGA/non-MAGA went and sought you bi***es out and asked/invited you to come here. You're just a freeloader.

If you don't like it here, GTFO. You will not be missed.

You're just another POS that I get to put on ignore. POS.
 

BelemNole

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I'll go out on a limb and say you don't live in Venice Beach or the greater LA area.
Dude has always lived/worked in LA since we've known him.

These threads are always so funny. Some hick from a state that doesn't have as many people as one of our suburbs telling us how bad we have it.