Trump Just Surrendered to Iran--Pathetic

RagnarLothbrok

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I will wait until we get the official agreement before weighing in.

What I do know is there is no world where Trump has the authority to spend $300B without congressional approval. So let’s see what the terms actually are before rushing to judgement.
Because I respect you, I will bite.

What in the “official” agreement will need to change or serve the United States’s interests “better” for this colossal sh*t show to be more palatable?

Also, what leads you to believe Trump would feel restrained and obliged to honor the limits of his power under the United States Constitution? I am also genuinely curious what makes you think Congress will be a stumbling block for him, or that the Republican-controlled House and Senate won’t rubber stamp this no matter how ridiculous the terms are?

I am just curious.

Also, suppose Team Trump is able to nix the 300 billion from the deal and unfreezes none of the money (yeah, won’t happen, but for the purpose of the thought experiment). Will that make the $112 billion and counting spent on the war to date worth it? Are we and our allies safer as a result of this war? Will we have greater oversight over Iran’s uranium enrichment compared to the deal under Obama?

Again, just curious.
 

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Because I respect you, I will bite.

What in the “official” agreement will need to change or serve the United States’s interests “better” for this colossal sh*t show to be more palatable?

Also, what leads you to believe Trump would feel restrained and obliged to honor the limits of his power under the United States Constitution? I am also genuinely curious what makes you think Congress will be a stumbling block for him, or that the Republican-controlled House and Senate won’t rubber stamp this no matter how ridiculous the terms are?

I am just curious.

Also, suppose Team Trump is able to nix the 300 billion from the deal and unfreezes none of the money (yeah, won’t happen, but for the purpose of the thought experiment). Will that make the $112 billion and counting spent on the war to date worth it? Are we and our allies safer as a result of this war? Will we have greater oversight over Iran’s uranium enrichment compared to the deal under Obama?

Again, just curious.
I trust Trump about as far as he could run without getting winded (in other words not at all).

He put us in a remarkably bad position and I have said for months now the best thing we could do is walk away without any further cost in terms of lives, money or munitions. So if we do manage a deal that costs the US taxpayers nothing further then I will likely extend my support to such a deal. However, I will NOT forget why such a deal was necessary in the first place. The cost to the US of the stupid war has been enormous I will continue to place that blame on Trump and his supporters who enabled this shitshow. And if it turns out the deal we get is the same or worse than the one Obama secured (that Trump ripped up), well then that is reason 69,420 for more scorn and derision.

As far as Congress goes, if the deal requires any tax dollars then constitutionally that is a matter for Congress. I will NOT support one red cent of my tax dollars going to Iran, even if they flow via subsidies to US companies operating in Iran. Not one red cent. And I will vote accordingly this fall. If Trump does propose using any tax dollars and the GOP choose not to vote on money going to Iran then I am confident the Dems will use the court system to block it (as they should in that scenario).

But in the meantime I will wait patiently for the actual text of the agreement so we can see what we are dealing with. Perhaps it will be a good deal, in which case I will support it while still decrying the wastefulness of this whole war in the first place.
 

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This has all the makings for when things go sideways...Trump blames Bibi.

I'm willing to bet Israel didn't have much input and within a year...everyone is back fighting and Trump "washes his hands" of the entire thing.

Between now and then, Trump attacks Cuba...a country he can overwhelm like Venezuela.
The issue might be that Kegseth had so depleted American munitions that the US will have to delay any attacks.
In the meantime...China is plotting.

What a mess.
interestingly, it wasn't only a day or two where the statements on here was how netanyahu had trump is his pocket..that trump doesn't do anything without Israel approval...Was that wrong?
 
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I trust Trump about as far as he could run without getting winded (in other words not at all).

He put us in a remarkably bad position and I have said for months now the best thing we could do is walk away without any further cost in terms of lives, money or munitions. So if we do manage a deal that costs the US taxpayers nothing further then I will likely extend my support to such a deal. However, I will NOT forget why such a deal was necessary in the first place. The cost to the US of the stupid war has been enormous I will continue to place that blame on Trump and his supporters who enabled this shitshow. And if it turns out the deal we get is the same or worse than the one Obama secured (that Trump ripped up), well then that is reason 69,420 for more scorn and derision.

As far as Congress goes, if the deal requires any tax dollars then constitutionally that is a matter for Congress. I will NOT support one red cent of my tax dollars going to Iran, even if they flow via subsidies to US companies operating in Iran. Not one red cent. And I will vote accordingly this fall. If Trump does propose using any tax dollars and the GOP choose not to vote on money going to Iran then I am confident the Dems will use the court system to block it (as they should in that scenario).

But in the meantime I will wait patiently for the actual text of the agreement so we can see what we are dealing with. Perhaps it will be a good deal, in which case I will support it while still decrying the wastefulness of this whole war in the first place.
While you're waiting for what is bound to be a disappointing and much-lied-about agreement, I strongly suggest watching this excellent overview.

 

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Just so we are clear, there is no broad consensus on gender ideology other than the consensus that it is pseudo science.

The Cass review caused most European countries to change course because the data was so damning.


There is no such thing as gender. There are two sexes, and infinite personalities. That’s what the science says.
we're done "follow the science"....that didn't work out so well.
 

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interestingly, it wasn't only a day or two where the statements on here was how netanyahu had trump is his pocket..that trump doesn't do anything without Israel approval...Was that wrong?
Once things went sideways for Trump on this war, things changed.
Trump needed a scapegoat and then we got the curse worded phone call with ShitStain and Bibi.

You should know by now how often Trump wavers and how he constantly contradicts himself.
Our observations about their relationship show that.
 

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donald trump price GIF by Election 2016
I know this is completely off topic, but imagine having the same haircut for 40-50 years to try to cover up your premature balding? Sad.
 

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interestingly, it wasn't only a day or two where the statements on here was how netanyahu had trump is his pocket..that trump doesn't do anything without Israel approval...Was that wrong?

In this case you might be right. I doubt Israel was part of the decision where trump surrendered to Iran and gave them $300B. The deal is so bad it has to have come from trump. No other leader would make that deal. Think about it, did any other country agree to pay Iran to open the waterway? No, just trump, and we all have to pay for his stupidity.
 

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Do you guys ever tire of this deflection? Is this really the best defense you can come up with to defend yet another Trump disaster?

The guy you worship is a pedophile and rapist. And yet, you’re consumed by and obsessed with a group of people who represent less than 1% of the population.

Dumb.
Yes, yes this is the best they can do because it is hard to defend the undefendable.
 

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This has all the makings for when things go sideways...Trump blames Bibi.

I'm willing to bet Israel didn't have much input and within a year...everyone is back fighting and Trump "washes his hands" of the entire thing.

Between now and then, Trump attacks Cuba...a country he can overwhelm like Venezuela.
The issue might be that Kegseth had so depleted American munitions that the US will have to delay any attacks.
In the meantime...China is plotting.

What a mess.
Or it is the plan.
Trump can say he made the deal but Israel messed it up.
He looks like a hero to his base, but doesn't actually have to follow through with anything.
 
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What an absolute disaster. 15 American lives lost, billions in munitions and planes spent/destroyed, economic pain to billions of people. And what do we get out of it? We're unfreezing $24 BILLION in frozen Iranian assets and giving them a **$300 BILLION** war indemnity so they can rebuild their economy. What an un-American POS who made the world safer for terrorism.

Are you a diplomat doing the treaty as you seem to know what’s in it when no else has a clue what’s in it
 

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interestingly, it wasn't only a day or two where the statements on here was how netanyahu had trump is his pocket..that trump doesn't do anything without Israel approval...Was that wrong?
Look at what happens when Trump does - Israel keeps bombing Lebanon instead of allowing the war with Iran to end.
 
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Because I respect you, I will bite.

What in the “official” agreement will need to change or serve the United States’s interests “better” for this colossal sh*t show to be more palatable?

Also, what leads you to believe Trump would feel restrained and obliged to honor the limits of his power under the United States Constitution? I am also genuinely curious what makes you think Congress will be a stumbling block for him, or that the Republican-controlled House and Senate won’t rubber stamp this no matter how ridiculous the terms are?

I am just curious.

Also, suppose Team Trump is able to nix the 300 billion from the deal and unfreezes none of the money (yeah, won’t happen, but for the purpose of the thought experiment). Will that make the $112 billion and counting spent on the war to date worth it? Are we and our allies safer as a result of this war? Will we have greater oversight over Iran’s uranium enrichment compared to the deal under Obama?

Again, just curious.
Nice post and I agree...

Iran is an enemy country. Period. I don't pay much attention to what they want and what they say. They are working against us. I have been hearing that Iran is "CLOSE" to a nuclear weapon for 20+ years, yet somehow they don't have one yet? Honestly, I don't know what to think about that. You'd think as SOME point, they'd just buy one from N. Korea, Packistan, China, Russia, or India. Maybe not, what do I know? I DO know that under 8 years of Obama and 4 under Biden, they didn't get one. AND in 8 years of Bush, and almost 6 years of Trump, they didn't get one. What's up with that... It's not like the two sides were using the same methods?

I have to admit that I'm a bit confused on what I'm hearing from this new plan. Iran AGREES to not make or obtain nuclear weapons? I don't believe that. I didn't believe it under Obama and I don't believe it under Trump. So SOME kind of monitoring has to be in place, no? I don't see anything about that part... does anyone else? Because that seems like a pretty big part of the deal, IF indeed Iran not getting a nuclear weapon is the 1st priority, details on monitoring seem like they should be in ANY deal.

To me, the above is the biggest thing. We HAVE to be able to monitor the commitment to no nukes. IF we can assure that, I don't have any issues with releasing Iran's money. And that's an important piece of info. IRAN'S MONEY. Obama released money to Iran. It was money Iran paid the US before the revolution for military equipment and said equipment was never delivered. That's Iran's money along with interest earned. Fair enough. Trump is going to release money to Iran. That is money that was frozen in place due to Iran's actions on the world stage. That's Iran's money just as much as the Obama stuff was. Again, fair enough.

As for the deal itself as a whole. I don't think it's worth the paper it's written on. Iran's not an honest player. If they can cheat, they will. I don't think any truly savy person would trust them. Unfortunately, I don't think that Trump is much better. He's never made a deal that he wasn't willing to "renegotiate" if it didn't suit him. So while the fighting may stop, I've little hope this deal is the real thing.
 

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interestingly, it wasn't only a day or two where the statements on here was how netanyahu had trump is his pocket..that trump doesn't do anything without Israel approval...Was that wrong?
Good point. Trump doesn't work for Netanyahu (or the Russians). He never has. Trump works for Trump. So he will ABSOLUTELY support Netanyahu when it suits him. AND he'll hang Netanyahu out to dry when it suits him. Trump wants two things... more money and to look good getting more money. That's it. No hidden agenda no complex motives. Follow the money and the glitz (or the bad press) that goes with it, and you'll see why Trump does everything he does.
 
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Look at what happens when Trump does - Israel keeps bombing Lebanon instead of allowing the war with Iran to end.
Netanyahu wants to annex southern Lebanon. He may agree to stop bombing Beirut, if he gets to keep the territory up to the Litani River. Can Trump sell that to Iran?
 

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Nice post and I agree...

Iran is an enemy country. Period. I don't pay much attention to what they want and what they say. They are working against us. I have been hearing that Iran is "CLOSE" to a nuclear weapon for 20+ years, yet somehow they don't have one yet? Honestly, I don't know what to think about that. You'd think as SOME point, they'd just buy one from N. Korea, Packistan, China, Russia, or India. Maybe not, what do I know? I DO know that under 8 years of Obama and 4 under Biden, they didn't get one. AND in 8 years of Bush, and almost 6 years of Trump, they didn't get one. What's up with that... It's not like the two sides were using the same methods?

I have to admit that I'm a bit confused on what I'm hearing from this new plan. Iran AGREES to not make or obtain nuclear weapons? I don't believe that. I didn't believe it under Obama and I don't believe it under Trump. So SOME kind of monitoring has to be in place, no? I don't see anything about that part... does anyone else? Because that seems like a pretty big part of the deal, IF indeed Iran not getting a nuclear weapon is the 1st priority, details on monitoring seem like they should be in ANY deal.

To me, the above is the biggest thing. We HAVE to be able to monitor the commitment to no nukes. IF we can assure that, I don't have any issues with releasing Iran's money. And that's an important piece of info. IRAN'S MONEY. Obama released money to Iran. It was money Iran paid the US before the revolution for military equipment and said equipment was never delivered. That's Iran's money along with interest earned. Fair enough. Trump is going to release money to Iran. That is money that was frozen in place due to Iran's actions on the world stage. That's Iran's money just as much as the Obama stuff was. Again, fair enough.

As for the deal itself as a whole. I don't think it's worth the paper it's written on. Iran's not an honest player. If they can cheat, they will. I don't think any truly savy person would trust them. Unfortunately, I don't think that Trump is much better. He's never made a deal that he wasn't willing to "renegotiate" if it didn't suit him. So while the fighting may stop, I've little hope this deal is the real thing.
Just for clarification we currently hold less than $2B in frozen Iranian funds. So I will be closely watching how much money we commit and where that money is coming from.
 

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Just for clarification we currently hold less than $2B in frozen Iranian funds. So I will be closely watching how much money we commit and where that money is coming from.
Agreed, and Trump will point that out. But there's a ton of Iran funds frozen b/c the US wanted them frozen. I suspect Trump will not have a lot of trouble getting that released as well.
 
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Nice post and I agree...

Iran is an enemy country. Period. I don't pay much attention to what they want and what they say. They are working against us. I have been hearing that Iran is "CLOSE" to a nuclear weapon for 20+ years, yet somehow they don't have one yet? Honestly, I don't know what to think about that. You'd think as SOME point, they'd just buy one from N. Korea, Packistan, China, Russia, or India. Maybe not, what do I know? I DO know that under 8 years of Obama and 4 under Biden, they didn't get one. AND in 8 years of Bush, and almost 6 years of Trump, they didn't get one. What's up with that... It's not like the two sides were using the same methods?

I have to admit that I'm a bit confused on what I'm hearing from this new plan. Iran AGREES to not make or obtain nuclear weapons? I don't believe that. I didn't believe it under Obama and I don't believe it under Trump. So SOME kind of monitoring has to be in place, no? I don't see anything about that part... does anyone else? Because that seems like a pretty big part of the deal, IF indeed Iran not getting a nuclear weapon is the 1st priority, details on monitoring seem like they should be in ANY deal.

To me, the above is the biggest thing. We HAVE to be able to monitor the commitment to no nukes. IF we can assure that, I don't have any issues with releasing Iran's money. And that's an important piece of info. IRAN'S MONEY. Obama released money to Iran. It was money Iran paid the US before the revolution for military equipment and said equipment was never delivered. That's Iran's money along with interest earned. Fair enough. Trump is going to release money to Iran. That is money that was frozen in place due to Iran's actions on the world stage. That's Iran's money just as much as the Obama stuff was. Again, fair enough.

As for the deal itself as a whole. I don't think it's worth the paper it's written on. Iran's not an honest player. If they can cheat, they will. I don't think any truly savy person would trust them. Unfortunately, I don't think that Trump is much better. He's never made a deal that he wasn't willing to "renegotiate" if it didn't suit him. So while the fighting may stop, I've little hope this deal is the real thing.
For decades, Iran has said it would not make nukes. And it hasn't made nukes.

Like most Americans, I didn't quite trust those promises - whether as part of a formal agreement or otherwise. But the fact is that they lived up to those promises for a long time. Including all 8 years since Trump reneged on the Obama agreement.

That said, if I had to bet, I'd bet that the Iranian voices calling for nukes now are very loud.

Just trying to put myself in their shoes, it sure looks like the only way to keep the US and Israel from attacking whenever they want to, regardless of agreements or international law, is to have nukes.

If I'm Iran, I agree to no nukes again . . . but this time, I don't intend to live up to that agreement.

Thanks Trump.
 

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Just for clarification we currently hold less than $2B in frozen Iranian funds. So I will be closely watching how much money we commit and where that money is coming from.
The government we elected engaged in a criminal war. We are being asked to pay damages.

They used tax dollars to pay for the war. If we actually do pay damages - highly doubtful - they'll use tax dollars to pay the damages.

But don't worry, they'll just add it to the debt, rather than raise taxes. That way it's free. Amirite?
 

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Why would Iran get to give a part of Lebanon away? And why would an American president try to broker that deal?
Iran merely agrees to not retaliate for actions in areas Israel already occupies. They agree to that to salvage the deal.

As I suggested, I think even that is a hard sell. But, despite their bluster, Iran is hurting. So they might go along with that. But will Bibi?
 

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IF the Trump "surrender" holds up, which it may not, I'm still glad. Continuing a senseless war costs the US economy. It cost the US a lot of trust on the world stage. It has costed a lot of countries economically because if trade and energy disruptions.

Trump failed, and failed again multiple times. He would have had no answer to the questions he would have faced from other world leaders this week. The main question would have been, "if the goal is to keep Iran from getting the 60% enriched uranium, and the only two countries capable of getting it are the US and China, why are we still fighting this war?".
 
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Jonathan Last with an excellent (if depressing) rundown of the many ways America lost this conflict:


Truth and Consequences​

Here is a rundown of (some of) the consequences of Trump’s defeat.

Iran is now a mid-major power. Before the war, Iran was a pariah state ruled by an aging mullah while fending off massive internal unrest. Post-war, Iran has made a successful transition of power; will have forced the world to stop sanctioning it; will have defeated a regime of international laws and annexed control of one of the world’s most important waterways.

No longer a pariah, Iran is now in the position to force its regional neighbors to make peace with it and learn how to live with the Islamic Republic.


China’s right hand. Have you ever wondered why the Chinese courted the Iranian regime? The ChiComs have no ideological kinship with the theocrats in Tehran. But the Chinese are dependent on the flow of oil east from the Gulf and they understood that Iran might one day control that flow. So they created a working relationship.

Now that Iran controls the Strait of Hormuz, China also controls the Straight of Hormuz. Which strengthens China’s hand in dealing with wary neighbors such as South Korea, Japan, and even Australia. Not to mention Taiwan.

China’s pre-existing relationship with Iran is now an extremely valuable source of power undergirding the Chinese ambition to dominate its near-abroad.


End of the unipolar American order. There are lots of ways America influenced the world order it created following World War II. The biggest was by guaranteeing freedom of navigation. We built a bunch of institutions that benefited basically everyone (but mostly us) and took over from the British as the enforcers of freedom of navigation.

The Strait of Hormuz was governed by international laws enforced by American hard power up until 100 days ago.

Now the strait belongs to Iran. International law has been replaced. We have acceded to this change. We have proven that America no longer has the strength, will, or wisdom to enforce free navigation.

From this, everything will change.

The unipolar world will be replaced by multipolarity. If America does not control everything, then different powers will control different areas. Iran will dominate the strait. The Chinese will dominate the South China Sea. Every set of interests will have to make separate arrangements with each regional power. The Europeans will have to deal with Iran and China—and America—separately. So will the Gulf states. So will the Asian countries. And India.

First, this new order will be inherently unstable. Too many moving parts dependent on too many brittle, authoritarian regimes, with too many overlapping claimed spheres of influence.

Second, America’s relative position weakens. The fact that countries also have to placate the Iranians and the Chinese means, by definition, that our relative importance declines. Meaning that we have less leverage. Meaning that our ability to protect our interests diminishes.

America will have to content itself with bullying South America and the Caribbean nations—and seeing if we can bully the Europeans into ceding Greenland.

Fortunately, that arrangement dovetails nicely with Trump’s ambition for America. He never cared about preserving the American order. He wants to use America to further his own interests—and he can do that more aggressively if international law breaks down and he is liberated to throw America’s weight around in our hemisphere.

Cuba is next and I would not be surprised if we return to stalking Greenland.


The Israeli–American crackup. Over the last two years the government of Israel systematically destroyed its standing in the world. In America, the Netanyahu regime aggressively pursued policies designed to make Israel disliked by both Democrats and Republicans. The last redoubt of support for Israel in the United States came from Trump’s MAGA establishment.

It’s unclear what Israel will make of Trump’s “deal.” Netanyahu tried to stop it from happening—but it’s not clear that Bibi had an endgame for his war. Did he think Trump would absorb political damage for him? That Trump would stick with him forever?

If Netanyahu can’t sell Trump’s surrender to the Israeli public, then he will have two options.

  1. Go along with Trump’s surrender and Iran’s new power—and have his career ended.
  2. Break with Trump and try to go it alone against Iran.
The first option risks prison for Netanyahu. The second would cause a rupture between Israel and Trump.

If Netanyahu breaks with Trump, it will mean that there is no world in which the next U.S. president continues America’s historic relationship with Israel.


Trump might get away with it. Gas prices will go down. Slowly. And they won’t go back to their pre-war lows.⁵ But directionally, gas will cost less than it did at its peak.

Maybe American voters will look at $3.75 gas and say, “Well things are getting better, I guess” and give Trump credit. Not enough credit to save the House, but enough to hold the Senate.

Americans won’t care about all that “end of the American order” stuff. By November they’ll still understand that inflation is high and they’ll see that interest rates are up—but they’ll barely remember that Trump started a war with Iran. Let alone that he lost it.

We often talk about how Trump is both arsonist and firefighter. The Iran war is the best example to date. Trump’s decision to go to war destroyed billions and billions of dollars. Value destruction on a scale we haven’t seen in a long time. Dollars in lost shipping, decreased oil production, destroyed infrastructure. And America will have gotten nothing in return.

Let’s say this clearly: America would be in better shape today if Trump had simply taken $50B in cash and set it on fire.

But, having caused this value destruction, Trump will now claim to have fixed everything. And when our ****** reality gets 10 percent better, some significant percentage of voters will look at Trump and say, Things are finally on the right track!

If Trump gets away with it—if the House is close and Republicans hold the Senate—then what will that say about America?

 

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Netanyahu wants to annex southern Lebanon. He may agree to stop bombing Beirut, if he gets to keep the territory up to the Litani River. Can Trump sell that to Iran?
He has to sell it to Hezbollah. Hezbollah ain't buying it. They don't need Iran to keep killing Israeli occupiers. Bibi keeps bombing Beirut. Iran does whatever Iran is going to do.
 
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For decades, Iran has said it would not make nukes. And it hasn't made nukes.

Like most Americans, I didn't quite trust those promises - whether as part of a formal agreement or otherwise. But the fact is that they lived up to those promises for a long time. Including all 8 years since Trump reneged on the Obama agreement.

That said, if I had to bet, I'd bet that the Iranian voices calling for nukes now are very loud.

Just trying to put myself in their shoes, it sure looks like the only way to keep the US and Israel from attacking whenever they want to, regardless of agreements or international law, is to have nukes.

If I'm Iran, I agree to no nukes again . . . but this time, I don't intend to live up to that agreement.

Thanks Trump.
$300 billion could probably buy some Russian nukes.

They could use the cash.
 
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The government we elected engaged in a criminal war. We are being asked to pay damages.

They used tax dollars to pay for the war. If we actually do pay damages - highly doubtful - they'll use tax dollars to pay the damages.

But don't worry, they'll just add it to the debt, rather than raise taxes. That way it's free. Amirite?
the good news in that strategy is that we get to pass it to our grandchildren...it's too late for the older generations to pay off the debt...
Once things went sideways for Trump on this war, things changed.
Trump needed a scapegoat and then we got the curse worded phone call with ShitStain and Bibi.

You should know by now how often Trump wavers and how he constantly contradicts himself.
Our observations about their relationship show that.
I'd like to make just one clarification...the "war" part of this never went sideways. Our military had this thing under total control. If we would have put up the blockade and continued the bombing, take Kharg Island, open the strait, then IMO Iran would have had no choice but to capitulate. Iran was never in a position to take us on militarily. If you're going to initiate a war, fight to finish it...no halfway effort.

But the day Trump pushed for ceasefire, he started on the path to "defeat"
 

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In this case you might be right. I doubt Israel was part of the decision where trump surrendered to Iran and gave them $300B. The deal is so bad it has to have come from trump. No other leader would make that deal. Think about it, did any other country agree to pay Iran to open the waterway? No, just trump, and we all have to pay for his stupidity.
well apparently not. from what I read, Netanyahu doesn't like the deal
 
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