OT: NCAA Denies Brendan Sorsby Appeal for Reinstatement: FINAL UPDATE - Sorsby throws in the towel

MADHAT1

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Might just wind up in the Supreme Court.

The question is: will Sorsby be allowed to play as ordered , or will an appeal to stop that succeed before the season starts?

>Drummond's legal opinion is in alignment with another prominent attorney in the college sports space, Tom Mars.

Yesterday, Mars tweeted that the Big 12's bylaws grant its directors wide authority to sanction Tech, and that, despite Paxton's warning, Texas law would side with the Big 12. <

https://www.footballscoop.com/2026/...ges-big-12-sanction-texas-tech-brendan-sorsby
 

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Might just wind up in the Supreme Court.

The question is: will Sorsby be allowed to play as ordered , or will an appeal to stop that succeed before the season starts?

>Drummond's legal opinion is in alignment with another prominent attorney in the college sports space, Tom Mars.

Yesterday, Mars tweeted that the Big 12's bylaws grant its directors wide authority to sanction Tech, and that, despite Paxton's warning, Texas law would side with the Big 12. <

https://www.footballscoop.com/2026/...ges-big-12-sanction-texas-tech-brendan-sorsby
Wasn't Paxton impeached?
 

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Wasn't Paxton impeached?
Texas House impeached him, its Senate acquitted him
>The Texas Senate voted to acquit Attorney General Ken Paxton on all 16 articles of impeachment in September 2023. Because a two-thirds majority (21 votes) was required for a conviction on any single count, he was immediately acquitted and retained his office, as no article received more than 14 votes<

But that shouldn't have a bearing on this issue and I'm wondering if the AG from other states that have schools in the Big 12 will be speaking out on this issue or let Oklahoma lead the court fight ( if Oklahoma State refuses to play TT if Sorsby will be playing )
Tulsa is the first game on TT's schedule, lets see what they do and if they refuse to play, will the Oklahoma AG use the powers of his office to help them.
 
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If Sorsby is deemed ineligible, does that mean the B12 wouldn't sanction Texas Tech?

Why are they going to be sanctioned?
For challenging the NCAA? That implies they should have been sanctioned - regardless of the injunction being issued.

Are they only being sanctioned because they won?
If the appeal goes through and Sorsby does lose eligibility - are the sanctions revoked?
 
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If Sorsby is deemed ineligible, does that mean the B12 wouldn't sanction Texas Tech?

Why are they going to be sanctioned?
For challenging the NCAA? That implies they should have been sanctioned - regardless of the injunction being issued.

Are they only being sanctioned because they won?
If the appeal goes through and Sorsby does lose eligibility - are the sanctions revoked?
The conference has prohibitions on gambling as well and they need to protect the integrity of their competitions otherwise you're going to see plenty of scandals with match fixing, point shaving, etc. occur in the future.
 
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If Sorsby is deemed ineligible, does that mean the B12 wouldn't sanction Texas Tech?

Why are they going to be sanctioned?
For challenging the NCAA? That implies they should have been sanctioned - regardless of the injunction being issued.

Are they only being sanctioned because they won?
If the appeal goes through and Sorsby does lose eligibility - are the sanctions revoked?
what I found with a google search
>The Big 12 is mulling sanctions against Texas Tech regarding quarterback Brendan Sorsby's eligibility following sports betting violations. The conference has reportedly considered invoking Bylaw 3.6, which allows a supermajority of member schools to penalize an institution acting adversely to the conference's best interests.

Specific penalties being weighed include:
  • Forfeiting games: Forcing Texas Tech to forfeit matchups where Sorsby participates.
  • Championship bans: Barring the team from competing for the Big 12 title.
  • Boycotts/Game Cancellations: Allowing other Big 12 schools to refuse to play Texas Tech entirely<
My solution is suspend Sotsby for the 2026 conference games Texas Tech will be playing and allow TT to have him play their OCC games or just redshirt him for the 2026 season and be eligibil to play in 2027 if he wants..
 

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The conference has prohibitions on gambling as well and they need to protect the integrity of their competitions otherwise you're going to see plenty of scandals with match fixing, point shaving, etc. occur in the future.

Yup - this. While accepting money from someone else to fix a game still constitutes fraud and is illegal - what you’ll see is more players betting on their own teams in a variety of ways which severely compromises the integrity of the game in its own right.
 
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The conference has prohibitions on gambling as well and they need to protect the integrity of their competitions otherwise you're going to see plenty of scandals with match fixing, point shaving, etc. occur in the future.

So then suspend Sorsby.
What's the basis for TT sanctions?

If the sanctions are "you attempted to get him eligible" then the sanctions would occur regardless of the ultimate NCAA decision.
 

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what I found with a google search
>The Big 12 is mulling sanctions against Texas Tech regarding quarterback Brendan Sorsby's eligibility following sports betting violations. The conference has reportedly considered invoking Bylaw 3.6, which allows a supermajority of member schools to penalize an institution acting adversely to the conference's best interests.

Specific penalties being weighed include:
  • Forfeiting games: Forcing Texas Tech to forfeit matchups where Sorsby participates.
  • Championship bans: Barring the team from competing for the Big 12 title.
  • Boycotts/Game Cancellations: Allowing other Big 12 schools to refuse to play Texas Tech entirely<
My solution is suspend Sotsby for the 2026 conference games Texas Tech will be playing and allow TT to have him play their OCC games or just redshirt him for the 2026 season and be eligibil to play in 2027 if he wants..

Is the adverse action challenging the NCAA or playing an eligible player?

If the problem is playing Sorsby, not sure how waiting until 2027 solves anything.
 

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So then suspend Sorsby.
What's the basis for TT sanctions?

If the sanctions are "you attempted to get him eligible" then the sanctions would occur regardless of the ultimate NCAA decision.
I've seen this circle jerk act from you too many times to get baited with your stupidity.
 
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Is the adverse action challenging the NCAA or playing an eligible player?

If the problem is playing Sorsby, not sure how waiting until 2027 solves anything.

The problem is that for the good of college sports for years to come, the standard punishment for betting on your own team cannot be accepted as simply missing a few pre-season cupcake games. I don’t know what the answer is, but everyone is scrambling to find something knowing damn well that this is the truth.

Many folks hate the changes that the industry is undergoing, but this is a whole different thing. You do recognize that, yes? This isn’t about debating the problems and merits of allowing college athletes to be paid, or the loopholes around making that happen.
What makes matters so much worse is that, Sorsby didn’t just place a few wagers on the money line for his team to win. He placed a host of different scenerio bets like taking the under or over too. If you can’t see how saying this is ok compromises the whole integrity of college sports, I don’t know what to tell you.
 

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I've seen this circle jerk act from you too many times to get baited with your stupidity.

Just seeing if I understand it correctly:

Supporting a player who gambled on his own team and losing in court: Good and not conduct detrimental to the conference

Supporting a player who gambled on his own team and winning in court: Terrible and conduct detrimental to the conference

The "conduct" is done. They are supporting him.
Even if they backtrack now - that toothpaste is out of the tube

Why does the outcome of the court ruling dictate if the "conduct" by Texas Tech was detrimental or not?
 
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The problem is that for the good of college sports for years to come, the standard punishment for betting on your own team cannot be accepted as simply missing a few pre-season cupcake games. I don’t know what the answer is, but everyone is scrambling to find something knowing damn well that this is the truth.

Many folks hate the changes that the industry is undergoing, but this is a whole different thing. You do recognize that, yes? This isn’t about debating the problems and merits of allowing college athletes to be paid, or the loopholes around making that happen.
What makes matters so much worse is that, Sorsby didn’t just place a few wagers on the money line for his team to win. He placed a host of different scenerio bets like taking the under or over too. If you can’t see how saying this is ok compromises the whole integrity of college sports, I don’t know what to tell you.

Remind me where I said Sorsby should play?
I couldn't care less.
He should be suspended.
I'm not swayed by the mental health action. As has been said - you don't get out of murder for mental heath issues. There are still punishments.


If all these conferences and teams and fans are so upset - why did it take a positive court result?

Where was the B12 in April when this came out?
Why didn't the B1G have a meeting back then?

If Sorsby is ultimately disqualified - why wouldn't TT still get sanctioned?
Get games pulled? Get blackballed?
Is HC getting blacklisted and wont be hired anywhere else?


If this is such a huge deal and the integrity of the sport is on the line - sure seems nobody is actually taking it that seriously.
Is the integrity suddenly okay if a legal technicality and a random judge keeps Sorsby off the field?
Everything Texas Tech did wasn't a problem anymore?
 

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Remind me where I said Sorsby should play?
I couldn't care less.
He should be suspended.
I'm not swayed by the mental health action. As has been said - you don't get out of murder for mental heath issues. There are still punishments.


If all these conferences and teams and fans are so upset - why did it take a positive court result?

Where was the B12 in April when this came out?
Why didn't the B1G have a meeting back then?

If Sorsby is ultimately disqualified - why wouldn't TT still get sanctioned?
Get games pulled? Get blackballed?
Is HC getting blacklisted and wont be hired anywhere else?


If this is such a huge deal and the integrity of the sport is on the line - sure seems nobody is actually taking it that seriously.
Is the integrity suddenly okay if a legal technicality and a random judge keeps Sorsby off the field?
Everything Texas Tech did wasn't a problem anymore?

I imagine everyone simply expected the court to tell him to take a hike. Objectively, it should’ve been summary judgement. There’s no case. The disease of alcoholism does not get you out of punishments for breaking rules or laws related to drinking. Pete Rose was hit with a lifetime ban from MLB for this exact issue. Precedent upon precedent of past decisions say as much.

Now I’m not saying there couldn’t be some discretion down the road after a year of rehabilitation and serving a notable punishment. That’s a different debate with pros and cons. I think everyone trusted the court to be reasonable and objective. Unfortunately it was not.
 

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I imagine everyone simply expected the court to tell him to take a hike. Objectively, it should’ve been summary judgement. There’s no case. The disease of alcoholism does not get you out of punishments for breaking rules or laws related to drinking. Pete Rose was hit with a lifetime ban from MLB for this exact issue. Precedent upon precedent of past decisions say as much.

Now I’m not saying there couldn’t be some discretion down the road after a year of rehabilitation and serving a notable punishment. That’s a different debate with pros and cons. I think everyone trusted the court to be reasonable and objective. Unfortunately it was not.
You are mixing apples (TROs) and oranges (summary judgment). This was a TRO type of hearing--it was actually a motion by Sorsby for a temporary injunction. TROs are governed primarily by FRCP Rule 65 (or state equivalents like California CCP § 527 or similar rules). It provides short-term emergency relief (often 14 days or less, sometimes ex parte/without notice) to prevent immediate and irreparable harm while the case proceeds. The movant must show a likelihood of success on the merits, likelihood of irreparable harm absent relief, balance of equities, and (in federal court) public interest. A "temporary injunction" is the direct next step after (or sometimes used interchangeably in casual reference with) a TRO, and both are forms of preliminary injunctive relief.

  • TRO (Temporary Restraining Order): Usually granted ex parte (without notice or a full hearing) in true emergencies. It lasts a very short time (typically up to 14 days, extendable). Its main job is to hold things in place until a hearing can occur.

  • Temporary Injunction (what Sorsby received): Granted after notice and a hearing (both sides had input). It lasts longer — often until final judgment or further court order. This fits the Sorsby timeline (hearing → ruling allowing eligibility for the season)

From a law firm website.

Judge Curry’s four-page order finds that Sorsby demonstrated a probable right to relief on his claims for breach of contract, declaratory judgment, breach of the duty of good faith and fair dealing, and breach of fiduciary duty. The court concluded that Sorsby would suffer “probable, imminent, and irreparable injury” without injunctive relief because he would lose access to elite coaching, training resources, and the ability to make an informed decision about the 2026 NFL Supplemental Draft. The injunction is conditioned on Sorsby’s compliance with six specific requirements, including ongoing clinical counseling for gambling disorder, participation in Gamblers Anonymous or a comparable peer-support community, treatment for Adjustment Disorder with Anxiety, engagement with athlete-specific recovery mentorship, a two-game suspension from game-day activities, and monthly confidential compliance reports served on the NCAA through counsel. The order became effective immediately upon posting of a $5,000 surety bond and remains in force until final judgment or further order of the court.

THIS IS WILD!!

What makes the order structurally unusual, however, is its second operative paragraph. In addition to prohibiting the NCAA from blocking Sorsby’s participation, the order expressly enjoins the NCAA from enforcing “its Bylaw 12.9.4.2 (Rule of Restitution) against Applicant, Texas Tech, any affiliate of Texas Tech, any university that competes against Texas Tech during the 2026 college football season, or any affiliate of any such university for complying with, and relying on this Order.” The breadth of that language has been largely overlooked. It deserves sustained analysis.

Why the Sorsby Order Goes Further

Each of those prior orders addressed the Rule of Restitution in terms that protected the plaintiff and, in some instances, the plaintiff’s institution. Judge Curry’s order in Sorsby does something materially different. By expressly extending the injunction’s shield to “any university that competes against Texas Tech during the 2026 college football season, or any affiliate of any such university,” the order neutralizes the Restitution Rule’s chilling effect on the entire competitive ecosystem surrounding Texas Tech.

Consider the practical implications. Texas Tech competes in the Big 12 Conference. Its 2026 schedule includes games against at least 10 conference opponents, plus non-conference matchups. Under the Restitution Rule, any of those institutions could theoretically face retroactive punishment for playing against a team that included an ineligible player — even though those institutions had no role in the underlying litigation and no ability to refuse the competition. By forbidding the NCAA from wielding the Rule of Restitution against those third-party institutions, Judge Curry has eliminated the scenario in which the NCAA could indirectly coerce compliance by threatening Texas Tech’s opponents. That is a significant structural intervention into NCAA governance, and one that reflects a growing judicial skepticism about the proportionality and legality of the Restitution mechanism.

Breach of Contract as the Backbone

The legal theory underlying the Sorsby injunction also merits attention. Unlike many recent NCAA eligibility challenges — Pavia4, Robinson, Moore, and their progeny — Sorsby’s claims do not rest on federal antitrust law. They are grounded entirely in state-law contract theories: breach of contract, declaratory judgment, breach of the duty of good faith and fair dealing, and breach of fiduciary duty. This approach mirrors the strategy employed in Chambliss v. NCAA in Mississippi, where a state court found that the NCAA breached its duty of good faith and fair dealing to a student-athlete as a third-party beneficiary of the contracts between the NCAA and its member institutions.5

The contract-based framework has several tactical advantages. It avoids the complexity of Sherman Act analysis — the burden-shifting test under the Rule of Reason, the threshold question of whether a challenged rule is commercial in nature, and the difficult market-definition inquiries that have bedeviled plaintiffs in cases like Robinson on appeal. It allows the case to be litigated in state court, where preliminary injunctive relief may be more accessible and where the NCAA lacks the procedural tools available in federal court. And it reframes the NCAA’s relationship with student-athletes as fundamentally contractual, which creates leverage for future claims across a wide range of enforcement contexts.

Judge Curry’s finding that Sorsby demonstrated a “probable right to the relief he seeks” on these contract theories is notable. It implies that the court views the NCAA’s bylaws — at least as applied to gambling penalties — as giving rise to enforceable contractual obligations that the NCAA may not apply arbitrarily or in bad faith. If that theory survives a full trial, it could reshape how student-athletes across the country challenge not only gambling-related sanctions, but any NCAA disciplinary action perceived as disproportionate or inconsistently applied.
 
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Continued from above:

The Mental-Health Condition Precedent Model

The six conditions Judge Curry imposed on the injunction represent an innovative judicial approach to athletic eligibility disputes. Rather than granting unconditional relief, the court effectively substituted its own tailored remedial framework for the NCAA’s blanket penalty. The conditions — clinical counseling, Gamblers Anonymous participation, anxiety treatment, athlete-specific mentorship, a partial suspension, and monthly compliance reporting — track the recommendations of Sorsby’s licensed associate counselor. If Sorsby fails to comply, the NCAA may apply for emergency relief to dissolve the injunction.

This model has implications well beyond gambling. It suggests that courts may be increasingly willing to fashion equitable remedies that preserve student-athlete participation while imposing judicially supervised behavioral conditions — a role the NCAA has historically claimed exclusively for itself. For institutions navigating future eligibility disputes, this framework offers a template: rather than seeking unconditional reinstatement, petitioners may find greater success proposing structured, condition-laden relief that addresses the NCAA’s stated concerns while avoiding the permanent consequences of ineligibility.

Appellate Outlook and Institutional Risk

The NCAA has publicly stated that it “strongly disagrees” with the ruling and is “deeply concerned about the damaging, far-reaching and broadly destabilizing ramifications of this outcome.”6 The NCAA retains the right to appeal to the Texas Seventh Court of Appeals. The appellate court will review the injunction for abuse of discretion. Because this is a state-law contract case rather than a federal antitrust case, the Fourth Circuit’s recent vacatur in Robinson — which turned on the plaintiff’s failure to establish sufficient anticompetitive effect under the Sherman Act — is not directly applicable.

Institutions should be aware that the injunction, as a non-final order, does not create binding precedent. It applies only in Lubbock County. However, it joins a growing catalog of state and federal court orders in which the NCAA has been unable to enforce its eligibility rules through the courts. Each such order — Pavia, Robinson, Moore, Chambliss, Tennessee and Virginia, and now Sorsby — further erodes the practical enforceability of the NCAA’s regulatory framework and emboldens future litigants.

What This Means for Stakeholders

For universities, the Sorsby order signals that NCAA disciplinary determinations — including permanent ineligibility for gambling — may not be the final word when a student-athlete is willing to litigate. Institutions should ensure that their compliance departments are prepared for a landscape in which judicially ordered eligibility overrides NCAA rulings, and in which the Rule of Restitution can be enjoined on a broad, third-party-inclusive basis.

For student-athletes and their counsel, the order demonstrates that state-court contract theories remain viable and may be preferable to the antitrust claims that have dominated the recent wave of eligibility litigation. The mental-health condition model also provides a persuasive template for cases involving substance abuse, gambling addiction, or other behavioral issues where permanent ineligibility may be challenged as disproportionate.

For the NCAA, the order is another data point in an accelerating trend: courts across multiple jurisdictions are unwilling to defer to the NCAA’s enforcement apparatus when individual student-athletes can show irreparable harm and a likelihood of success on the merits. The Sorsby order’s treatment of the Rule of Restitution — extending protection to every institution on Texas Tech’s schedule — represents a particularly aggressive constraint that, if replicated, could render the Restitution Rule functionally unenforceable.

 

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Just seeing if I understand it correctly:

Supporting a player who gambled on his own team and losing in court: Good and not conduct detrimental to the conference

Supporting a player who gambled on his own team and winning in court: Terrible and conduct detrimental to the conference

The "conduct" is done. They are supporting him.
Even if they backtrack now - that toothpaste is out of the tube

Why does the outcome of the court ruling dictate if the "conduct" by Texas Tech was detrimental or not?
Texas Tech willfully signed a player they knew or should reasonably have known at the time they recruited him had bet on his own team. Everything else around this is sophistry.
 

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Continued from above:

The Mental-Health Condition Precedent Model

The six conditions Judge Curry imposed on the injunction represent an innovative judicial approach to athletic eligibility disputes. Rather than granting unconditional relief, the court effectively substituted its own tailored remedial framework for the NCAA’s blanket penalty. The conditions — clinical counseling, Gamblers Anonymous participation, anxiety treatment, athlete-specific mentorship, a partial suspension, and monthly compliance reporting — track the recommendations of Sorsby’s licensed associate counselor. If Sorsby fails to comply, the NCAA may apply for emergency relief to dissolve the injunction.

This model has implications well beyond gambling. It suggests that courts may be increasingly willing to fashion equitable remedies that preserve student-athlete participation while imposing judicially supervised behavioral conditions — a role the NCAA has historically claimed exclusively for itself. For institutions navigating future eligibility disputes, this framework offers a template: rather than seeking unconditional reinstatement, petitioners may find greater success proposing structured, condition-laden relief that addresses the NCAA’s stated concerns while avoiding the permanent consequences of ineligibility.

Appellate Outlook and Institutional Risk

The NCAA has publicly stated that it “strongly disagrees” with the ruling and is “deeply concerned about the damaging, far-reaching and broadly destabilizing ramifications of this outcome.”6 The NCAA retains the right to appeal to the Texas Seventh Court of Appeals. The appellate court will review the injunction for abuse of discretion. Because this is a state-law contract case rather than a federal antitrust case, the Fourth Circuit’s recent vacatur in Robinson — which turned on the plaintiff’s failure to establish sufficient anticompetitive effect under the Sherman Act — is not directly applicable.

Institutions should be aware that the injunction, as a non-final order, does not create binding precedent. It applies only in Lubbock County. However, it joins a growing catalog of state and federal court orders in which the NCAA has been unable to enforce its eligibility rules through the courts. Each such order — Pavia, Robinson, Moore, Chambliss, Tennessee and Virginia, and now Sorsby — further erodes the practical enforceability of the NCAA’s regulatory framework and emboldens future litigants.

What This Means for Stakeholders

For universities, the Sorsby order signals that NCAA disciplinary determinations — including permanent ineligibility for gambling — may not be the final word when a student-athlete is willing to litigate. Institutions should ensure that their compliance departments are prepared for a landscape in which judicially ordered eligibility overrides NCAA rulings, and in which the Rule of Restitution can be enjoined on a broad, third-party-inclusive basis.

For student-athletes and their counsel, the order demonstrates that state-court contract theories remain viable and may be preferable to the antitrust claims that have dominated the recent wave of eligibility litigation. The mental-health condition model also provides a persuasive template for cases involving substance abuse, gambling addiction, or other behavioral issues where permanent ineligibility may be challenged as disproportionate.

For the NCAA, the order is another data point in an accelerating trend: courts across multiple jurisdictions are unwilling to defer to the NCAA’s enforcement apparatus when individual student-athletes can show irreparable harm and a likelihood of success on the merits. The Sorsby order’s treatment of the Rule of Restitution — extending protection to every institution on Texas Tech’s schedule — represents a particularly aggressive constraint that, if replicated, could render the Restitution Rule functionally unenforceable.

I don’t understand any of this to be perfectly honest.

Can someone explain in simple terms why the MLB or NBA have the ability to impose penalties within their guidelines that get upheld, but the NCAA cannot? I’m guessing it relates to the Anti-Trust laws but I still don’t get it. Every one of these entities resemble a monopoly on the highest level of employment opportunity in the US for what their leagues specifically provide.
 

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I don’t understand any of this to be perfectly honest.

Can someone explain in simple terms why the MLB or NBA have the ability to impose penalties within their guidelines that get upheld, but the NCAA cannot? I’m guessing it relates to the Anti-Trust laws but I still don’t get it. Every one of these entities resemble a monopoly on the highest level of employment opportunity in the US for what their leagues specifically provide.
Not a lawyer, but I will take a layperson's shot at answering your question.

I think the key word in your post is EMPLOYMENT. In professional sports, the players are unionized employees. The ground rules are collectively bargained. Whereas collegiate sports are the Wild West.

Put another way, if MLB imposes a sanction on a player, and the player says "You can't do that!", the league can respond "Oh yes we can! Your union said so. It's right here in black and white." Nothing like that exists in college sports - yet.

I could be totally off base on this, and welcome informed correction.
 

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Not a lawyer, but I will take a layperson's shot at answering your question.

I think the key word in your post is EMPLOYMENT. In professional sports, the players are unionized employees. The ground rules are collectively bargained. Whereas collegiate sports are the Wild West.

Put another way, if MLB imposes a sanction on a player, and the player says "You can't do that!", the league can respond "Oh yes we can! Your union said so. It's right here in black and white." Nothing like that exists in college sports - yet.

I could be totally off base on this, and welcome informed correction.

Ok. So I guess that makes comparative sense, but what doesnt add up for me is whether college athletes are considered “employees” or not, participation in athletic teams of all kinds (not just pro teams) are permitted to have enforceable rules. The fine print rules of every club team my boys have ever played for has language that states that any kid who is repeatedly disrespectful, bullies, etc. can be banned from the team for no refund. Are we saying a parent could technically take each league to court and sue because their kid has ADHD or something? Maybe we are (but in practice, that just doesn’t happen often) - I’m not sure. Certainly - it’s not only the union providing safe harbor as private employment is typically at will so employees can be asked to leave for no reason at all (and certainly termination is allowed for any code of ethics violation).
 

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Ok. So I guess that makes comparative sense, but what doesnt add up for me is whether college athletes are considered “employees” or not, participation in athletic teams of all kinds (not just pro teams) are permitted to have enforceable rules. The fine print rules of every club team my boys have ever played for has language that states that any kid who is repeatedly disrespectful, bullies, etc. can be banned from the team for no refund. Are we saying a parent could technically take each league to court and sue because their kid has ADHD or something? Maybe we are (but in practice, that just doesn’t happen often) - I’m not sure. Certainly - it’s not only the union providing safe harbor as private employment is typically at will so employees can be asked to leave for no reason at all (and certainly termination is allowed for any code of ethics violation).

My limited understanding: private employees are still covered under the NLRB and federal regulations.
And thus wrongful termination lawsuits.

College athletes are in between.
Not employees so have unclear legal protections of NLRB and such?
Hence the recent lawsuits challenging NCAA powers.

But because they arent employees, they also cant unionize and have a CBA with the NCAA to give the NCAA the broad powers like NBA/NFL have negotiated.
 

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My limited understanding: private employees are still covered under the NLRB and federal regulations.
And thus wrongful termination lawsuits.

College athletes are in between.
Not employees so have unclear legal protections of NLRB and such?
Hence the recent lawsuits challenging NCAA powers.

But because they arent employees, they also cant unionize and have a CBA with the NCAA to give the NCAA the broad powers like NBA/NFL have negotiated.

Okay - so AAU is a union so I guess club teams are likely protected from this under that safe harbor somehow. But what about YMCA youth travel teams or organizations like that? That one comes to mind because our Y used to send out a routine blast about getting kicked out of the league if parents argue with the refs. They give a warning and there’s supposedly a whole process involved that would lead to a family getting kicked out but that’s not the point. Same question - can a family kicked out claim the parent who argued had some kind of mental problem? I raise this one - because in that case it’s the league associations of Ys making the call (not the Y program the family registers their kid to play with so similar situation). It seems to me there must be many different types of recreational leagues for a variety of activities that are not unionized and I can’t imagine that none of them are technically allowed to have ethical standards that particiants are subject to. Just seems like a puzzle piece is missing. How can it be that the NCAA can’t have any minimum rule requirements and each school can do what it wants?

Is this only coming up now because the NCAA is not unionized and he’s earning a salary so the case is that the NCAA is basically blocking him from earning a living? I’m trying to see what the difference is between this and any type of league setting ethical standards for participation. If that’s the case - the NCAA basically can’t have any rules whatsoever in its current form. So then - why isn’t Duarte, Ogbole, heck - really anyone, eligible? Whose to say any age limit, 4 year or 5 year rule is up to the NCAA ever. It’s all very confusing to me.
 
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My limited understanding: private employees are still covered under the NLRB and federal regulations.
And thus wrongful termination lawsuits.

College athletes are in between.
Not employees so have unclear legal protections of NLRB and such?
Hence the recent lawsuits challenging NCAA powers.

But because they arent employees, they also cant unionize and have a CBA with the NCAA to give the NCAA the broad powers like NBA/NFL have negotiated.
All of these uncertainties give the lawyers a lot of room to maneuver.
Some clarity is badly needed, and perhaps a bill from Congress may help. But nobody should hold their breath on that.
 

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Looks like the Bif 12 is telling the Texas AS take your threat and shove it, we have a precedence to use to keep Sorsby from playing, using for the good of the conference as a reason
>The 47-page filing cited precedent from nearly a decade ago, when the conference sanctioned Baylor for the sexual assault scandal that engulfed the Bears' football program and university. The conference claimed that the scandal damaged the Big 12 reputation, and that the league had the authority to fine Baylor as recourse.<

https://www.footballscoop.com/2026/...es-conference-authority-punish-brendan-sorsby

The Big 12 Conference filed a complaint in federal court seeking a declaratory judgment that would allow the league to enforce its bylaws and potentially sanction member Texas Tech should the school play transfer quarterback Brendan Sorsby.
>Playing Sorsby despite his documented NCAA violations could cause "reputational harm and irreparable damage to public and member trust,” the Big 12 stated.<

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo... optimized&utm_content=pphx-phoenix-nletter72
 

NickRU714

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So does the B12 now move onto investigating Cincinnati?
Did they know he was gambling on games?
If not, why not?

Seems like an easy "lack of institutional control" punishment.
I would say having a player gambling on your games and not even knowing is also "conduct detrimental to the conference".

Does the B1G investigate and punish Indiana?
 
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NickRU714

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How can we trust the outcomes of games if a player can be actively gambling on the games and the teams not even know it?

Rutgers should boycott Indiana teams until we're assured they are effectively monitoring and preventing a future situation.

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So does the B12 now move onto investigating Cincinnati?
Did they know he was gambling on games?
If not, why not?

Seems like an easy "lack of institutional control" punishment.
I would say having a player gambling on your games and not even knowing is also "conduct detrimental to the conference".

Does the B1G investigate and punish Indiana?
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MADHAT1

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So does the B12 now move onto investigating Cincinnati?
Did they know he was gambling on games?
If not, why not?

Seems like an easy "lack of institutional control" punishment.
I would say having a player gambling on your games and not even knowing is also "conduct detrimental to the conference".

Does the B1G investigate and punish Indiana?
Good questions
Why didn't anyone know until March of 2026 Sorsby gambled on games and why did it take a tip from a sports book to the NCAA to find out about his gambling habit instead of one of the programs he played for finding out when he was on their roster
Fun fact ( from a google search on the issue)
>The NCAA initially learned of Sorsby's betting activity in March and notified Texas Tech in mid-April. Following the discovery of troves of impermissible bets, Sorsby entered a 35-day residential treatment program in Arizona at the end of April.<
 

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Good questions
Why didn't anyone know until March of 2026 Sorsby gambled on games and why did it take a tip from a sports book to the NCAA to find out about his gambling habit instead of one of the programs he played for finding out when he was on their roster
Fun fact ( from a google search on the issue)
>The NCAA initially learned of Sorsby's betting activity in March and notified Texas Tech in mid-April. Following the discovery of troves of impermissible bets, Sorsby entered a 35-day residential treatment program in Arizona at the end of April.<
How would they know? It’s not like they can legally monitor his phone or iPad.