Sandusky Granted Hearing on New Evidence

[KingLando]

So you think the President of the Penn State Football Letterman’s Club is naive? Listen to this and learn a thing or two……. And don’t be afraid of new evidence as comes forward … it’s ok bub……. lol

Bring all the evidence. I'm all for that.
I assure you he'll never get a new trial and the convictions won't be overturned. He's lost every appeal for a reason.

I've seen that before. Not a word of it is relevant. This is the problem...you follow people that are biased instead of accepting what is. Notice where you got the link from. Next you'll claim he's objective lol.

 

[Open Mind 1]

Bring all the evidence. I'm all for that.
I assure you he'll never get a new trial and the convictions won't be overturned. He's lost every appeal for a reason.

I've seen that before. Not a word of it is relevant. This is the problem...you follow people that are biased instead of accepting what is. Notice where you got the link from. Next you'll claim he's objective lol.

And you believe in false grand jury presentments and prosecutors who play fast and loose with the rules……. Got it…..

 

[KingLando]

And you believe in false grand jury presentments and prosecutors who play fast and loose with the rules……. Got it…..

See...there you go again with these sweeping allegations without proof just opinion. Your bias against the prosecution and desire for Sandusky to be innocent prevents you from dealing with the facts.

Do you honestly believe he'll ever get a new trial? Yes or no?

 

[Open Mind 1]

See...there you go again with these sweeping allegations without proof just opinion. Your bias against the prosecution and desire for Sandusky to be innocent prevents you from dealing with the facts.

Do you honestly believe he'll ever get a new trial? Yes or no?

He should 1000% get a new trial. The fact you don’t think it was rushed to trial makes me question your own lawyer claim altogether. And this video is 100% relevant to this discussion because the Penn State Football Letterman Club President thinks Sandusky is innocent and others on this thread are trying to downplay the number of people who think this way….. you can be mad about it but it is what it is

 

[KingLando]

He should 1000% get a new trial. The fact you don’t think it was rushed to trial makes me question your own lawyer claim altogether. And this video is 100% relevant to this discussion because the Penn State Football Letterman Club President thinks Sandusky is innocent and others on this thread are trying to downplay the number of people who think this way….. you can be mad about it but it is what it is

The video isn't relevant--why does it matter what the President of the Penn State Football Club believes--his bias is obvious. Any time someone in an interview discusses Joe the way he did their opinion of Sandusky is dismissed as his objective is clear.

It wasn't rushed. Cases have gone to trial much faster--some have been slower but that's not a reason for the convictions to be overturned.

You also didn't answer the question. I said do you believe he'll get one not whether not your believe he should. We all know you think he should.

I'm not the angry one here. There's a handful of people here that are likely over the age of 60 that can't accept what happened because of how it impacted Paterno. I'm dealing with reality--he will never get a new trial and society is a better place with him behind bars. That's true regardless of what you want.

So, again, "Do you honestly believe he'll ever get a new trial? Yes or no?"

 

[Open Mind 1]

The video isn't relevant--why does it matter what the President of the Penn State Football Club believes--his bias is obvious. Any time someone in an interview discusses Joe the way he did their opinion of Sandusky is dismissed as his objective is clear.

It wasn't rushed. Cases have gone to trial much faster--some have been slower but that's not a reason for the convictions to be overturned.

You also didn't answer the question. I said do you believe he'll get one not whether not your believe he should. We all know you think he should.

I'm not the angry one here. There's a handful of people here that are likely over the age of 60 that can't accept what happened because of how it impacted Paterno. I'm dealing with reality--he will never get a new trial and society is a better place with him behind bars. That's true regardless of what you want.

So, again, "Do you honestly believe he'll ever get a new trial? Yes or no?"

Yes. Maybe not in the State as the system is broken…. But in federal Court absolutely…

 

[KingLando]

Yes. Maybe not in the State as the system is broken…. But in federal Court absolutely…

Hope springs eternal.
The previous appeals (including the habeas one at the federal level) should have helped you answer that question
But, keep hope alive, there's some that still believe OJ was innocent.

 

[Thorndike2021]

It is altogether possible and, I think, likely that the following two things are true and not mutually exclusive:

1. Joe Paterno never tried to cover up anything and believed completely that the people around him were dealing with the situation appropriately.
2. Jerry Sandusky is a disgusting, delusional pedophile who should be in prison until the day he dies.

I hope this helps.

 

[KingLando]

It is altogether possible and, I think, likely that the following two things are true and not mutually exclusive:

1. Joe Paterno never tried to cover up anything and believed completely that the people around him were dealing with the situation appropriately.
2. Jerry Sandusky is a disgusting, delusional pedophile who should be in prison until the day he dies.

I hope this helps.

100% agree

 

[Tor_Eckman]

Joebagofballs and kingloado waste everyone's time with their clownish nonsense.

Mumbojumbochumbo, do you visit Jerry in prison? EEEE-eeeeee-ee-eeeeeee … varoooom!

 

[LionsAndBears]

It is altogether possible and, I think, likely that the following two things are true and not mutually exclusive:

1. Joe Paterno never tried to cover up anything and believed completely that the people around him were dealing with the situation appropriately.
2. Jerry Sandusky is a disgusting, delusional pedophile who should be in prison until the day he dies.

I hope this helps.

That's exactly how I see it.

 

[Chumboshifko1]

Mumbojumbochumbo, do you visit Jerry in prison? EEEE-eeeeee-ee-eeeeeee … varoooom!

Another multi name nit wit.

 

[Marshall2323]

Not sure if you’re critiquing my point in the post or not. Here’s my point, and it is only mildly related to the number of alleged victims testifying. Say there were 2 truly abused boys. It’s easy to imagine nobody outside those two and JS knowing. Now raise that to 5. Now to 20. Now to 50. Now to 100. At some point the more true victims there are, the harder it is to imagine the whole thing going unchecked for so long. That’s what some (many?) people think is weird here.

Now repeat the exercise with most of the additional “victims” having a motive to lie later about abuse and keep their motive secret. The same (outside) people contend that’s more consistent with the thing seemingly going unchecked for so long.

On the other hand, take some time to study the case of Aaron Fisher. The boy who cried "wolf" many times in his life. I believe his step father was later convicted of abuse. His mother (who led the charge to "own Sandusky's house) loved sending him to Jerry's so she could bar hop on weekends. In any event, Aaron had trouble convincing multiple grand juries of his veracity and not until extensive "therapy" and a one of them "reading" his testimony did an indictment occur.
All of the other accusers then miraculously came out of the woodwork after unanimously (initially) denying any abuse. But the PSP and big wallet lawyers were now mobilized.
As for "hundreds" of accusers that weren't called? Poppycock. Have you ever been to a casino and watched people stand in line for an hour waiting for a free $5 frying pan? Husband and wife so they get 2? Like they don't already have one.
Every "so called credible" accuser got paid. Imagine the liars that came forward trying for a payday that even PSU and their attorney's couldn't reward.
Ira Lubert who handed out money like candy admitted that several who received settlements were lairs.
No one should be afraid of a new trial. Let the chips fall where they may after that.

 

[KingLando]

On the other hand, take some time to study the case of Aaron Fisher. The boy who cried "wolf" many times in his life. I believe his step father was later convicted of abuse. His mother (who led the charge to "own Sandusky's house) loved sending him to Jerry's so she could bar hop on weekends. In any event, Aaron had trouble convincing multiple grand juries of his veracity and not until extensive "therapy" and a one of them "reading" his testimony did an indictment occur.
All of the other accusers then miraculously came out of the woodwork after unanimously (initially) denying any abuse. But the PSU and big wallet lawyers were now mobilized.
As for "hundreds" of accusers that weren't called? Poppycock. Have you ever been to a casino and watched people stand in line for an hour waiting for a free $5 frying pan? Husband and wife so they get 2? Like they don't already have one.
Every "so called credible" accuser got paid. Imagine the liars that came forward trying for a payday that even PSU and their attorney's couldn't reward.
Ira Lubert who handed out money like candy admitted that several who received settlements were lairs.
No one should be afraid of a new trial. Let the chips fall where they may after that.

No one is "afraid of a new trial". Other than maybe the victims that would have to relive past trauma but thankfully there's no legal ground for a retrial and they won't have to suffer.

 

[Chumboshifko1]

Lubert was an azz who simply negotiated amounts. No credibility was ever established. He knew people were lying but paid them anyway Freeh was exposed as a liar. Money was thrown away on Mitchell, another jackass. The consent decree was found to be illegal.

This was all a hack to get Joe and Spanier. The whole thing was a disgrace.

 

[PSU4U]

I’ll let this play out with near-zero expectation of any material impact. Others, feel free to wring the skin from your hands …

A point without a point.

 

[Ludd]

I’ll be honest. I think there are legit reasons to question the trial. That all seemed to happen very quickly. I’m not a lawyer and am far from a “Sandusky is innocent!!!” guy, but I thought it all moved quicker than I expected. But again, I’m not a lawyer.
Were all of the victims being honest? I have no idea. There is no way to really prove there stories at this point. What we do know for a fact is damning though. He showered alone in an otherwise empty locker room with a boy whose mother was concerned enough about it to call the police. Three years later, he was caught right back in the exact same situation. All this while the head of a charity to help at risk youths. Later he is caught with another boy in an otherwise empty workout room, behind some wrestling mats. Again, I don’t know that all victims were telling the truth. I do know that the actions that are known are actions that would be taken by a child sexual abuser.

If you’re from PA, knowing the trial was in PA is enough to question whether it was a fair trial.

 

[Rick76]

He may be innocent, he may be guilty, he may be sort of guilty, he may be guilty of bad judgment. All those could be addressed at a new trial. Two things I'll say is that the trial should never have happened in Centre County and should not have happened as quickly as it did when emotions were still running high.

 

[Erial_Lion]

I’ve been around since well before 2012 and read ALL these threads and can, with absolute certainty, tell you that NO ONE thinks he's 100% innocent.

That’s definitely false.

 

[Erial_Lion]

It is altogether possible and, I think, likely that the following two things are true and not mutually exclusive:

1. Joe Paterno never tried to cover up anything and believed completely that the people around him were dealing with the situation appropriately.
2. Jerry Sandusky is a disgusting, delusional pedophile who should be in prison until the day he dies.

I hope this helps.

Very well said!

 

[Tor_Eckman]

Another multi name nit wit.

I’ll take that as a yes. You’re the only multi-name nic-switcher I know.

 

[Chumboshifko1]

I’ll take that as a yes. You’re the only multi-name nic-switcher I know.

Don't you have anything better to do than change names and act like a fool?

 

[Tor_Eckman]

Don't you have anything better to do than change names and act like a fool?

It”s fun making fun of cerebrally challenged people like you. What other name(s) do I use?

Varooooooooooooommm … eeeeeeeee-eeeeee

 

[Jason1743]

Jerry deserves a fair trial.

I don’t know if he’s guilty or innocent, but he deserves better justice than was administered by a jeopardized judge influenced by bunch of money grubbing attorneys coaching victims for the sole sake of $$ payouts.

Some of those sleazy, artificially enriched attorneys used to post on the former Tom board.

I do believe Sandusky was guilty and is where he belongs. I also think he was railroaded a bit. He went from indictment to conviction in 6 months , an incredibly short amount of time for such a high profile case (in my non attorney opinion).

 

[Chumboshifko1]

It”s fun making fun of cerebrally challenged people like you. What other name(s) do I use?

Varooooooooooooommm … eeeeeeeee-eeeeee

Welcome to ignore, jackass. Now you can chase me with emoji like the other stooges.

 

[Nittering Nabob]

It”s fun making fun of cerebrally challenged people like you. What other name(s) do I use?

Varooooooooooooommm … eeeeeeeee-eeeeee

You do have a history of posting on the Rutgers board.

 

[Tor_Eckman]

You do have a history of posting on the Rutgers board.

You have a history of being full of .

 

[Tor_Eckman]

Welcome to ignore, jackass. Now you can chase me with emoji like the other stooges.

Oooooooo, ignore. See ya, Muchumbo!

 

[Nittering Nabob]

You have a history of being full of .

There are more. Never forget what you post on a semi-public forum

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[Tor_Eckman]

There are more. Never forget what you post on a semi-public forum

Jo Pa Beer - Forums

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You should too.

 

[Nittering Nabob]

You should too.

I have zero concerns

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

Oooooooo, ignore. See ya, Muchumbo!

I am sure you are devastated! How will you sleep at nite!!

 

[Chumboshifko1]

There are more. Never forget what you post on a semi-public forum

Jo Pa Beer - Forums

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I know the half wit likes to roam from board to board acting like a clown.

 

[BUFFALO LION]

He had s fair trial.

Ya, and “Victim 2” was known only to God.

Give me a frickin break.

“Victim 2” just got through drinking himself to death probably because his slimy attorney coerced him into selling the only real Dad he ever had down the river for $7 million dollars. If Victim two’s Mom never worked for Andrew Shubin, this case might have been blown up from the start, and “the kid in the shower” might still be alive.

 

[Marshall2323]

Ya, and “Victim 2” was known only to God.

Give me a frickin break.

“Victim 2” just got through drinking himself to death probably because his slimy attorney coerced him into selling the only real Dad he ever had down the river for $7 million dollars. If Victim two’s Mom never worked for Andrew Shubin, this case might have been blown up from the start, and “the kid in the shower” might still be alive.

The "little boy in the shower" was closer to 15 than 8 and was living with Jerry and Dottie. They had worked out after a long day in which Jerry and surrogate son traveled to Virginia for a head coaching interview. MM was so convinced of foul play that he waited weeks (until a coaching staff opening) to ask for a meeting with Joe. He spent about 90 seconds with Joe that day (as per Sue) and went on his way.
The night of the incident, neither "Pop" nor Dr. Dranov, were inclined to engage child protective services or law enforcement. That should tell everyone what they need to know.
When you put this together with what MM told Franco at Joe's wake, it's pretty consistent.

 

[KingLando]

Ya, and “Victim 2” was known only to God.

Give me a frickin break.

“Victim 2” just got through drinking himself to death probably because his slimy attorney coerced him into selling the only real Dad he ever had down the river for $7 million dollars. If Victim two’s Mom never worked for Andrew Shubin, this case might have been blown up from the start, and “the kid in the shower” might still be alive.

Or be drank himself to death because the person he trusted abused him. Liars dont usually kill themselves intentionally or due to substance abuse...victims do

 

[MacNit]

None of it tainted the first trial. People are just desperate to believe he's innocent because they incorrectly believe that would change how Joe is viewed. Sandusky was found guilty on almost every count, this isn't giving him a new trial contrary to what some want to believe. This is absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things, something very common. I'm not sure why anyone believes this proves he's not guilty. We're long past that point. There's always a people that disagree with the verdict that grasp at straws until the very end. Hell there's people that think Mackenzie Shirilla is innocent. Sandusky will die in prison and we should all be thankful for that.

If we're being honest this is just a waste of money

No. People are concerned that a person can be railroaded without a fair trail. Because smart people know that it could happen to them next (or you!)!

 

[MacNit]

IDK about Ray Blehar's reputation around these parts, but IIRC he wrote that the PA OAG had something like 40-50 reports on Sandusky, but conveniently only prosecuted the ones that involved the football program. Even if the current charges didn't stand up, they could re-load with 30-40 more.

I hate the way the case was handled by everyone involved, but Sandusky is overwhelmingly guilty in my book. That part isn't up for debate. The people that actually knew and had power to stop it, needed a way to avoid accountability. That's why things were done in the attrocius way that they were. When you look at it through that lens, things start to make sense.

But alas it is up for debate. You are not judge and jury.

 

[MacNit]

My opinion was that he did not have a fair trial. One aspect stands out. His team asked for more time, and this was not granted. In any similar case the defense team got much longer to prepare for trial. This was a rushed event.

Look how long it has taken alleged CKirk assassin to even get to a preliminary hearing

 

[MacNit]

No one has to trust anyone
Just asking people comprehend how the legal system works even if they dislike it.

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