Let's get stupid

[Halldan]

This early none of us has a clue. But for the purpose of message board fodder...

120 minutes total - Guards and Wings


MPG

Roddie Anderson (6-3, 195) Combo
13 MPG

Rodney Brown (6-6, 180) Wing
15 MPG

Del Jones (6-3, 187) Combo
25 MPG

Darien 'Payday' Moore (6-2, 170) 2G
4 MPG

Trey Parker (6-0, 180) Combo
14 MPG

Kareem Thomas (6-5, 195) 2G
15 MPG

Simeon Wilcher (6-4, 200) 2G
22 MPG

Mayar Wol (6-8, 191) Wing
12 MPG


Tomorrow PFs and Centers
80 minutes

 

[Halldan]

 

[Halldan]

80 minutes total - Power Forwards and Centers


MPG

Terry Copeland (6-9, 225) PF/C
27 MPG

Abdulai Fanta Kabba (7-0, 235) C
3 MPG

Nathan Mariano (6-9, 211) PF
13 MPG

Chris Nwuli (6-8, 215) PF
13 MPG

Devin Williams (6-10, 205) PF/C
24 MPG

 

[Halldan]

Like to see some responses from our readers. Clearly these numbers will only be guesstimates.

 

[joeyklings]

Obviously no information just strictly guesses based on previous playing. I’ll say more time for Nwuli than Mariano. Nwuli seems like a Sha player. I’ll say more time for Thomas than Brown. Brown literally does nothing but shoot the 3 and couldn’t get significant time at his previous power 5 schools.

 

[joeyklings]

I would also hope Moore gets more than 5mpg. But Sha doesn’t like playing freshman.

 

[PirateBlue08]

Obviously no information just strictly guesses based on previous playing. I’ll say more time for Nwuli than Mariano. Nwuli seems like a Sha player. I’ll say more time for Thomas than Brown. Brown literally does nothing but shoot the 3 and couldn’t get significant time at his previous power 5 schools.

Agreed on Thomas over Brown Jr but I feel the opposite on Mariano and Nwuli. From the little I’ve seen, Mariano a more polished, experienced, and multifunctional big while Nwuli is more potential with athleticism. But who knows at this point.

 

[U-Hall]

This early none of us has a clue. But for the purpose of message board fodder...

120 minutes total - Guards and Wings


MPG

Roddie Anderson (6-3, 195) Combo
20 MPG

Rodney Brown (6-6, 180) Wing
22 MPG

Del Jones (6-3, 187) Combo
29 MPG

Darien 'Payday' Moore (6-2, 170) 2G
5 MPG

Trey Parker (6-0, 180) Combo
20 MPG

Kareem Thomas (6-5, 195) 2G
20 MPG

Simeon Wilcher (6-4, 200) 2G
28 MPG

Mayar Wol (6-8, 191) Wing
16 MPG


Tomorrow PFs and Centers
80 minutes

For the 3 positions, your minutes add up to 160. Somebody is going to get lost in the shuffle.

Also, I initially though Wol was a PF but now I am seeing him more as a SF.

 

[Halldan]

For the 3 positions, your minutes add up to 160. Somebody is going to get lost in the shuffle.

Thank you. I'll edit now.

 

[Fishjam]

By position....

PG - Del Jones 25
Roddie Anderson 15

SG - Sim Wilcher 22
Trey Parker 15
Roddie Anderson 5
Payday Moore 5

WG - Rodney Brown 20
Kareem Thomas 20

PF - Devin Williams 14
Chris Nwuli 10
Nathan Mariano 8
Mayar Wol 8

C - Terry Copeland 24
Devin Williams 10
Fanta-Kabba 6

Overall - 207 minutes
Del Jones 25
Devin Williams 24
Terry Copeland 24
Sim Wilcher 22
Roddie Anderson 20
Rodney Brown 20
Kareem Thomas 20
Trey Parker 15
Chris Nwuli 10
Nathan Mariano 8
Mayar Wol 8
Fanta-Kabba 6
Payday Moore 5

 

[Halldan]

Now let's get really stupid.

Points per game


Roddie Anderson
5 PPG

Rodney Brown
7 PPG

Terry Copeland
9.5 PPG

Del Jones
12.0 PPG

Fanta-Kabba
1.0 PPG

Nathan Mariano
5.0 PPG

Payday Moore
1.5 PPG

Chris Nwuli
6.0 PPG

Trey Parker
4.5 PPG

Kareem Thomas
5.5 PPG

Sim Wilcher
7.5 PPG

Devin Williams
7 PPG

Mayar Wol
4.5 PPG

Total 76.0 PPG

 

[SPK145]

Obviously no information just strictly guesses based on previous playing. I’ll say more time for Nwuli than Mariano. Nwuli seems like a Sha player. I’ll say more time for Thomas than Brown. Brown literally does nothing but shoot the 3 and couldn’t get significant time at his previous power 5 schools.

Agree on the Nwuli/Mariani piece.

Disagree on the Brown/Thomas piece. Both are mainly just 3-point shooters but Brown did get decent time as a frosh and soph at P4 schools. Thomas was a benchwarmer as a frosh in the Ivy.

 

[joeyklings]

I think Roddie Anderson is an underrated pick up and will see a good amount of time at the 1.

Now let's get really stupid.

Points per game


Roddie Anderson
5 PPG

Rodney Brown
7 PPG

Terry Copeland
9.5 PPG

Del Jones
12.0 PPG

Fanta-Kabba
1.0 PPG

Nathan Mariano
5.0 PPG

Payday Moore
1.5 PPG

Chris Nwuli
6.0 PPG

Trey Parker
4.5 PPG

Kareem Thomas
5.5 PPG

Sim Wilcher
7.5 PPG

Devin Williams
7 PPG

Mayar Wol
4.5 PPG

Total 76.0 PPG

If we have 1 player in double figures it’s going to be a long season. 76ppg is a dream

 

[dehere23]

I think Jones will be north of 12 ppg because of usage and what he seems to be as a player, unless Sha trusts Parker and Anderson to handle lead guard minutes for a decent stretch of each game.

I think Wilcher will be north of 7.5 ppg, closer to 10-12 ppg range. He averaged 5.6 in 18 minutes last year as a backup guard on a Texas team loaded with guards and wings. But the year prior he averaged 8 ppg in 25 minutes per game for a loaded SJU team, where he was usually the 5th option but given ample opportunity to take and make outside shots because of what that team lacked and how deadly they were attacking the paint and from 15 feet in.

 

[hallwins]

I think Jones will be north of 12 ppg because of usage and what he seems to be as a player, unless Sha trusts Parker and Anderson to handle lead guard minutes for a decent stretch of each game.

I think Wilcher will be north of 7.5 ppg, closer to 10-12 ppg range. He averaged 5.6 in 18 minutes last year as a backup guard on a Texas team loaded with guards and wings. But the year prior he averaged 8 ppg in 25 minutes per game for a loaded SJU team, where he was usually the 5th option but given ample opportunity to take and make outside shots because of what that team lacked and how deadly they were attacking the paint and from 15 feet in.

I think Wilcher will excel this year. Last rodeo and a ton of experience.

 

[dehere23]

I think Wilcher will excel this year. Last rodeo and a ton of experience.

And I'm more confident in his ability to play D the way Sha wants and expects than I am for any other newcomer simply because of who Wilcher played for in the past. He isn't jumping a level and he played for two demanding task-masters, including a great defensive coach in Pitino. Some of our new guys -- probably most of our new guys -- will have a transition dealing with Sha's demanding ways. Wilcher won't having played for Miller and Pitino.

 

[Halldan]

I think Jones will be north of 12 ppg because of usage and what he seems to be as a player, unless Sha trusts Parker and Anderson to handle lead guard minutes for a decent stretch of each game.

I think Wilcher will be north of 7.5 ppg, closer to 10-12 ppg range. He averaged 5.6 in 18 minutes last year as a backup guard on a Texas team loaded with guards and wings. But the year prior he averaged 8 ppg in 25 minutes per game for a loaded SJU team, where he was usually the 5th option but given ample opportunity to take and make outside shots because of what that team lacked and how deadly they were attacking the paint and from 15 feet in.

I think many of the players will have higher PPG figures and obviously some of the others lower. But I wanted to level off sight unseen with 76 PPG so I had to fit that number in for the roster.

 

[dehere23]

I think many of the players will have higher PPG figures and obviously some of the others lower. But I wanted to level off sight unseen with 76 PPG so I had to fit that number in for the roster.

It's a fun exercise with all the newcomers, and I think everyone understands its a lot of shooting in the dark. Last year, I don't think any of us would have pegged ASM for almost 12 ppg or even Williams for 7 ppg. We probably would have had Fisher much loser to double digits based on his history and track record. I think Wilcher will be like ASM this year in that his ppg ends up being higher than most think and I can see various folks falling into the Fisher category.

 

[HallBall55]

Del 10 ppg
Wilcher 11 ppg
Rodney Brown 6 ppg
Devin Williams 9 ppg
Terry Copeland 6 ppg

Trey Parker 4 ppg
Roddie Anderson 7 ppg
Kareem Thomas 6 ppg
Nathan Mariano 7 ppg
Fanta-Kaba 1 ppg

Payday 1ppg
Wol 3 ppg
Nwuli 3 ppg

Total 74 ppg

player this forum is too low on: Mariano

player this forum is too high on: Nwuli

 

[joeyklings]

Del 10 ppg
Wilcher 11 ppg
Rodney Brown 6 ppg
Devin Williams 9 ppg
Terry Copeland 6 ppg

Trey Parker 4 ppg
Roddie Anderson 7 ppg
Kareem Thomas 6 ppg
Nathan Mariano 7 ppg
Fanta-Kaba 1 ppg

Payday 1ppg
Wol 3 ppg
Nwuli 3 ppg

Total 74 ppg

player this forum is too low on: Mariano

player this forum is too high on: Nwuli

I’m not high on Nwuli. He just fits the Sha mold. Defense first.

 

[HallGuy2323]

If we have 1 player in double figures it’s going to be a long season. 76ppg is a dream

Agreed. 12ppg from your leading scorer is almost certainly calling for a poor season. And 76ppg from
A Shaheen team is definitely not happening like you said

 

[dehere23]

Agreed. 12ppg from your leading scorer is almost certainly calling for a poor season. And 76ppg from
A Shaheen team is definitely not happening like you said

We didn’t have a poor season last year and only two averaged double digits with Clark being close to 13 ppg cumulatively, I believe.

 

[HallGuy2323]

We didn’t have a poor season last year and only two averaged double digits with Clark being close to 13 ppg cumulatively, I believe.

Poor, no. Average, yes. (Hence 10-10.) And that was with 2 players in double digits. One player at 12ppg would be a problem next season.

The idea that all ten players in the rotation are interchangeable and equal is a farce at this level. Expecting the 8th or 9th player to contribute 4-5ppg game after game is not going to happen.

 

[Fishjam]

Overall - 207 minutes
Del Jones 25 - 12.5 points
Devin Williams 24 - 7.5 points
Terry Copeland 24 - 7.0 points
Sim Wilcher 22 - 10.0 points
Roddie Anderson 20 - 7.5 points
Rodney Brown 20 - 10.0 points
Kareem Thomas 20 - 7.5 points
Trey Parker 15 - 6.0 points
Chris Nwuli 10 - 2.5 points
Nathan Mariano 8 - 2.5 points
Mayar Wol 8 - 3.0 points
Fanta-Kabba 6 - 1.0 points
Payday Moore 5 - 1.0 points

Total - 78.0 points

Yes, I believe 78.0 points is realistic. Remember its the cumulative PPG of the individuals, not the Team's PPG. Last year's cumulative average was 73.5 while team's PPG was 70.3. Same reason why my minutes add up to 207.

 

[Halldan]

The purpose of this post was to just discuss the possibilities of the upcoming season.

Since none of us has a clue regarding the rotation 1 through 13 (14?) it's impossible to say that any player doesn't have the possibility to increase their PPG average. That's why I rounded out numbers for all the players.

Once established and we know what Holloway will decide on his rotation and how many players will get sufficient minutes then we can better project PT and PPG. For now I think my numbers above are reasonable. But they are certainly open to debate.

 

[hallwins]

Poor, no. Average, yes. (Hence 10-10.) And that was with 2 players in double digits. One player at 12ppg would be a problem next season.

The idea that all ten players in the rotation are interchangeable and equal is a farce at this level. Expecting the 8th or 9th player to contribute 4-5ppg game after game is not going to happen.

They are not interchangeable on the regular, but injuries happen, combos don't work all the time. Mike Brown did not play 12 players in a first half all the time but he had to in an NBA final game before he landed on Alvarado playing a huge role in the game.

I would prefer more player retention and would go with a less number of.pieces if that meant greater retention. But, clearly Sha is of a different mind and he thinks he can replace or upgrade what he lost in the aggregate.

 

[mspaeth]

Witcher All Beast 2nd team!

 

[shurup86]

D.Williams 10 PPG
T. Copeland 9 PPG
R.Brown 8 PPG
S. Wilcher 10 PPG
D Jones 11 PPG

T. Parker 5 PPG
R. Anderson 7 PPG
K. Thomas 6 PPG
N. Mariano 4 PPG
F. Kabbalah 1 PPG

P. Moore 1 PPG
C. Nwuli 5 PPG
M. Wol 3 PPG

Total Points 80 pts

SHU is going to finish 3rd in the Big East make the NCAA Tournament and win some games.

 

[Halldan]

Now that's sharing the rock.