Pretty much the, we have to at least contact Brad Stevens bit
Forbes ?? Candidate for SC
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Not saying they didn’t report it, I’m saying a lot of their fans think otherwise because their delusional fans
yeah, could likely be the end of their mid major run... a la wichita state a long while back.
Just like I barely give a rat's ace about football now, and basketball is barely hanging on in my fandom world by a string... if we lost Forbes to a now bad program in greenville SC for a 10% price difference or something similar, I would be on my way out the door as a UNC baseball fan too. If Globe (a kid we signed a gave a chance to play early, developed already into one of the best pitchers in the nation, who is on a team that has been or is the odds on favorite to win the CWS in the last week or two) leaves for more money (as it clearly won't be for a better chance to win), it will erode that same baseball fandom. Baseball was my last enjoyable major college sport in this terrible ridiculous NIL/ Portal era. But if either of those things would/ happen it will be similar to my feelings with football and basketball. Guess it's no stab at UNC/ admin... just the current landscape. And this coming from someone who has two degrees from UNC and lived in Avery while on campus and watched games from my balcony.
Really hope they can capitalize this year... afraid it may be one of the last ones I can fully enjoy.
If he was indeed that close and had a foot out the door, then I'd be just as disappointed in him as possible. ALL of the things he's done and said while here, and what he's said it means to him at every single step, the depth of his roots here, the fact that UNC may be the BEST program in the last 20 years (no chance it's to leave for better chances to win)... it would have ultimately been a lie and he would have just chased a bit more money. And that would have been hugely disappointing and par for the course during this NIL/ Portal era of "college" sports where there is NO LOYALTY. I mean, he just signed a new contract less than 3 months ago! I guess I don't have to process that since he didn't go... but I'm disappointed somewhat as is, IF what you say is true about how CLOSE he was.
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I mean he would have brought all of his people
I don’t disagree brother - I am just trying to take the enjoyment where I can find it
I would have been beside myself if had Forbes left, particularly with what we are paying Belichick and Lombardi. Look, I understand why we invest in football (setting aside the issue of where specifically we invest it) but there’s no comparison as which program I’ve gotten more satisfaction from following in the last couple of decades
I think we can close out the “Forbes to SC” thread discussion…. Thankfully!
You’re looking at this all wrong. If he left it wouldn’t have been about the money for him. It would have been about his family. Getting his staff paid market rate. Get real NIL dollars for his players. Not just Forbes. The entire stsff and roster has long taken far less to be at Carolina. He’s responsible for a lot of folks and many are making peanuts compared to what they should be making.
You’re also misinformed about the details of the contract he “signed” a few months ago. You wrongfully assume UNC delivered their end of the bargain. This situation wasn’t nearly as black and white as you make it out to be.
At the end of the day, UNC has promised to step up. And that means not just Forbes, but the staff and players will all be better for it.
Did you stop reading at the post you quoted? Because it became clear in the ensuing posts it was much more than just perfunctory contact.
Thinking the SC offer was only 10% more is wildly delusional and wholly contrary to what was reported.
Regardless, I don’t think it was ever about more money to Forbes driving his interest. It was about taking care of his assistant coaches and his players that would (and ultimately did because UNC stepped up) make a difference.
We are going to lose Gaines or Wierzbicki if we don’t pay them enough to stay. Eventually we are going to lose them anyway as that’s just the nature of having great assistants in any sport.
Regardless, I don’t think it was ever about more money to Forbes driving his interest. It was about taking care of his assistant coaches and his players that would (and ultimately did because UNC stepped up) make a difference.
We are going to lose Gaines or Wierzbicki if we don’t pay them enough to stay. Eventually we are going to lose them anyway as that’s just the nature of having great assistants in any sport.
For real. Many thx to Mahler19.
Exactly. With great assistants, we should expect them to get bigger job offers (i.e., head coach of their program) - means we are winning. Having the level of institutional support mentioned here means that we'll have opportunity to identify "best available" candidates and not have to rely so much on alums taking hometown discounts.
There's a lot of right and a lot of wrong on this thread on this subject, but the bottom line is these type deals are never as simple and 'black and white' as Mahler points out.
Loyalty is one thing and should be applauded. To expect blind loyalty or loyalty for the sake of loyalty isn't the way things work these days, especially in college athletics where the pay for players side of things has gone through the roof.
Carolina baseball is on good footing now and going forward. And that's a good thing for all the support and are fans of Carolina baseball.
Loyalty is one thing and should be applauded. To expect blind loyalty or loyalty for the sake of loyalty isn't the way things work these days, especially in college athletics where the pay for players side of things has gone through the roof.
Carolina baseball is on good footing now and going forward. And that's a good thing for all the support and are fans of Carolina baseball.
If you say so. You’re still talking about money and money only in your first paragraph. Then you think you know what I assumed and that it was wrong about Forbes recent contract. All I mentioned was that he signed one just a couple months ago! That’s not being misinformed, btw. No matter the situation or circumstances, head coaches don’t sign extensions they don’t have to if they aren’t ok with the conditions. This isn’t coaching little league on “you have my word” agreements.
I'm glad they “stepped up”. It’s still my right to feel exactly how I want about the situation. And I know a lot of people think it’s a sad state of affairs compared to the past when it comes to coach loyalty/ retention.
Forbes will be the first to tell you he doesn’t want to keep Gaines or Wierz much longer. They’re younger up and coming coaches. They WILL leave for head coaching jobs. And he will be ecstatic for them when it happens. No amount of money is gonna keep prospective young assistant coaches from leaving to be head coaches… in any sport.
Fortunately, Baseball NIL at Carolina seems to be in the hands of angels who are committed to the sport.
To me, what you appear to be saying is that you have to dance with the devil in order to be asked to join the devil. If so, I agree. And, if Greg says so, that lends credence because he certainly is inclined to follow (and to write about) "the money."
But emulation--meaning total financial devotion to football--can bring some serious and unwelcome (non-moral) consequences.
Take, for example, what was arguably the best college baseball program in the country: LSU. It appears to me that football NIL has sucked the life out of Tigers' baseball. The need to keep up with serious oil money heaped on football--primarily in Texas--has left little to nothing for LSU's most successful, historical bell cow.
The same is true with Miami baseball. And Clemson. And Louisville. And, of course, South Carolina, as well as a host of others. What used to be a comparatively small amount of baseball money is now paying for second string football players--at each of those places.
Those schools ALL used to be competitive annually in both sports, and, certainly, in baseball.
However, the baseball well has dried up since Cody Campbell and his ilk started running things in college.