Fox getting slammed
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It doesn’t really change my opinion …it still looks to me like Fox should’ve made an effort to go to the boards …but I will say this is a cool floor level view of the play.
It gives a better appreciation of just how quickly Anunoby was moving to get to that ball. That doesn’t come across quite as well with the elevated view the TV broadcasts use.
When Brunson shot that Fox was the furthest Spur away from the basket. Wemby is right there next to him and he is the greatest athletic freak in the world and he had no time to make any crazy defensive play to stop OG either. If anything Harper (I think that is him standing in the lane as OG goes by) has the clearest opportunity to clog the lane from OG getting a free run. Fox is guarding a shooter that shoots 25ft from the basket, expecting him to also make the defensive rebound/block out the opposite wing simultaneously is insane.
The blame is clearly on the coach unless Fox was not supposed to double.
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Not when you’re up by one at the end of the 4th with the shot clock turned off and a tough and taller defender having the angle between you and the basket. Some call it situational awareness. But whatever…
I’m glad the Knicks won but disagree with your take. Now pass that damn bong
Just a couple thoughts....
Mistakes are going to be made, the players are only human. That said, there's enough finger pointing going around on both sides. Players on both sides have made mistakes and bad / questionable plays.
The fact of the matter is that the Spurs were up by 29 and blew the game. In the most EPIC OF EPIC FASHION. If the Knicks win this series, we will look back at this game as the decisive point. This cannot happen and then bounce back to win the title from being 3 - 1 down ? It looks 99% a done deal. The Knicks have to close them out though. Just as we think nobody would ever come back from 29 down, now the spurs have to come back from down 3 -1. It could happen. Not likely thoough.
Which brings me to my main two points :
I think we can all agree that the Spurs will surely make moves and adjustments that will win a title ... perhaps not this year, but it would look to be soon. Next year? Maybe the year after ? But it looks inevitable.....
The Spurs, as a unit, needs to have more playoff experience, and growth as a team, to win the title. They are just a little ways away from making that final step. I think that was at the heart of my gut feeling that the Knicks might win this thing in 6 games.
Spurs "growing pains" ... they made it this far, but it is a disappointment and a pain for them. And they are still growing. Might be some more here and there, even if/when the Knicks finish them off (??) this season.
My other gripe / observation ... the NBA officials make glaring mistakes, and I think that because of those mistakes and misses, they compensate by making bad calls to make up for their own bad and missed calls during the games. If that makes any sense ?
Just call the damn games fairly, both ways, and don't make it a "make up fest" for bad, blown, or mistaken calls. It makes the outcome of these games questionable either way, once you add up the sum total of screw ups on the officiating parts.
And maybe someday we can have true accountability for NCAA officiating....
I'll be dead before it happens, but hey, one can dream.
Mistakes are going to be made, the players are only human. That said, there's enough finger pointing going around on both sides. Players on both sides have made mistakes and bad / questionable plays.
The fact of the matter is that the Spurs were up by 29 and blew the game. In the most EPIC OF EPIC FASHION. If the Knicks win this series, we will look back at this game as the decisive point. This cannot happen and then bounce back to win the title from being 3 - 1 down ? It looks 99% a done deal. The Knicks have to close them out though. Just as we think nobody would ever come back from 29 down, now the spurs have to come back from down 3 -1. It could happen. Not likely thoough.
Which brings me to my main two points :
I think we can all agree that the Spurs will surely make moves and adjustments that will win a title ... perhaps not this year, but it would look to be soon. Next year? Maybe the year after ? But it looks inevitable.....
The Spurs, as a unit, needs to have more playoff experience, and growth as a team, to win the title. They are just a little ways away from making that final step. I think that was at the heart of my gut feeling that the Knicks might win this thing in 6 games.
Spurs "growing pains" ... they made it this far, but it is a disappointment and a pain for them. And they are still growing. Might be some more here and there, even if/when the Knicks finish them off (??) this season.
My other gripe / observation ... the NBA officials make glaring mistakes, and I think that because of those mistakes and misses, they compensate by making bad calls to make up for their own bad and missed calls during the games. If that makes any sense ?
Just call the damn games fairly, both ways, and don't make it a "make up fest" for bad, blown, or mistaken calls. It makes the outcome of these games questionable either way, once you add up the sum total of screw ups on the officiating parts.
And maybe someday we can have true accountability for NCAA officiating....
I'll be dead before it happens, but hey, one can dream.
So the coach told Fox to guard the inbounds, go double Brunson after it was thrown in and then quit on the play if Brunson shot it. LOL enjoy your night.
According to the NBA L2M Report it was the incorrect call. Said he didn’t go out of bounds and Hart fouled him first.
Hart (NYK) impedes Castle (SAS) on his drive as Castle is incorrectly called for committing an out-of-bounds violation.
And where was Wemby? Did he quit on the play also? He was standing there right next to Fox. The reality is that when you are guarding someone 25 ft from the basket with 2.5 seconds left, it isn't also your responsibility to get the rebound at the rim. It's physically impossible, otherwise the world's greatest athlete could have done something. Blaming Fox instead of Mitch Johnson is questionable logic.
Fell asleep 3rd quarter spurs were up like 20 woke up at post game show and the spurs lost
I was watching the comeback in the 3rd quarter. Couple minutes to go in the 3rd the Knicks cut to 15 or so. I thought game on!
Then the Spurs went back up 18. I figured it was over and watched something else.
I checked to see how bad it was and there about a minute to go and a close game. I couldn’t believe it.
Love your logic - "fouls shouldn't be called because of WHEN the foul occurs..."
Absurd.
People are forgetting that the Spurs gacked up Game Two as well. Remember Wemby throwing the ball away?
This still doesn’t show it but there are others floating around that do and he actually got the ball first on that play.
I am hardly basketball ignorant so GFYS. I politely disagree with you and you come back with insults.
Spurs fans? Knicks fans are the worst fans on this planet. Throwing eggs at players and beating up people wearing spurs jerseys. They don’t deserve a championship.
It doesn’t matter, I’ve seen clean blocks, but fouls called because body on body. A foul is a foul.
Just out of curiosity which teams fans are so wholesome and worthy they deserve a championship? Do all teams whose fans act like punks not deserve to win? Not trying to justify bad behavior at all but do the fans as a whole somehow reflect the values of the team in your mind? This feels like typical online knee jerk reaction to something that always happens but has now been politicized and I’m trying to understand how a random person throwing an egg at Wemby means that the Knicks don’t deserve to win.
Yes. The NBA's Last Two-Minute Report for Game 4 confirmed that OG Anunoby got to the ball first. The report officially ruled it a legal block, stating Anunoby dislodged the ball from De'Aaron Fox's control before any incidental arm contact occurred. [1, 2, 3]
Fox was asked why he made the choice he did and the 28-year-old explained himself, and ultimately gave credit to Anunoby.
“Try to get a layup, get up three and force them to need a three,” Fox said. “OG made a good block.”
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Just saw this breakdown of the same moment. And, yeah, it is kinda crazy how that Knicks fan was allowed to get right up into Harper’s ear like that. Ref should’ve told him to back off.
That said, the pass failed because KAT made a great deflection. I don’t think the fan had anything to do with it.
Im not seeing where KAT asked them. They seemed to just do this on their own.
Kind of reminds me of when Kansas won a game because Frank Mason was practically across the out of bounds line, giving the opponent negative physical room to inbound the ball.
Oh wait, hold on. Im apparently not allowed to call out when other college teams get helped to win games. Sorry guys.
Go read their excuses online after EVERY loss. Then there fans chanting flopper to SGA when Wemby is just as bad! And the Spurs shot more fts than OKC. Cant stand that team and their whiny *** fans. Especially Wemby.
The more game 4 sinks in, the more it seems like this is on the coach more than anyone. Fox may have made mistakes, but it was when the entire team was collapsing. Wemby given no rest despite being up 29. They keep shooting threes. They take zero air out of the tires when up big.
With better and more experienced coaching, Fox is never in a position to try and save the game from being a total collapse.
I also have to believe that a good coach will remind players what to do in certain situations, and teach situational basketball. Should Fox have known better to dribble it out? Maybe, I dont think this was as awful as a decision as some are making it. But if thats what he should have done, the coach needs to be reminding players certain things to do.
With better and more experienced coaching, Fox is never in a position to try and save the game from being a total collapse.
I also have to believe that a good coach will remind players what to do in certain situations, and teach situational basketball. Should Fox have known better to dribble it out? Maybe, I dont think this was as awful as a decision as some are making it. But if thats what he should have done, the coach needs to be reminding players certain things to do.
Honest question here. Not trying to be a smart aleck. Is that an NBA rule, if you get the ball first, no foul?
I think @Ash Williams is correct.
Don't think the contact was "incidental" due to a pure vertical jump. Fox was fouled on the play and it should have been called IMO.
The Last two-minute report deemed it incidental contact, which is the third bullet point on Village Idiots post.
L2M Report
No one eats their own pros quite like BBN. I remember how some of our fans relentlessly criticized AD, Boogie, and Rondo in the past. It's one thing to criticize Fox. It's entirely another thing to say the same effing thing about him that everyone else in the thread is saying.
Also, it's pretty amazing that so many of ya'll "don't care about the NBA" until one of our native sons melts down somehow.
Also, it's pretty amazing that so many of ya'll "don't care about the NBA" until one of our native sons melts down somehow.
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The home team is never ever ever EVER going to get called for a game-changing foul when the ball was touched first on a block, regardless of what the rule book says about incidental contact afterwards. That's just the way it goes.
If you're upset, look at it this way: Wemby should be suspended for the next game if we truly followed the rule book. He'd have been given a flagarant for PALMING a players head in game 3, and his 4th I believe would have been the KAT elbow, which means suspension. So Spurs win Game 4, Knicks smoke the spurs in game 5 without Wemby, and in the end nothing really changes (I believe the Spurs will win tonight and it will be 3-2), and the Knicks will look to close this out in game 6 at home.
If you're upset, look at it this way: Wemby should be suspended for the next game if we truly followed the rule book. He'd have been given a flagarant for PALMING a players head in game 3, and his 4th I believe would have been the KAT elbow, which means suspension. So Spurs win Game 4, Knicks smoke the spurs in game 5 without Wemby, and in the end nothing really changes (I believe the Spurs will win tonight and it will be 3-2), and the Knicks will look to close this out in game 6 at home.
I disagree with the report. I don't think it was incidental. Both players weren't jumping parallel to one another. The defender's arm crossed over to Fox and made obvious contact to his arm. Should have been a foul.
I agree. I didn’t know the rule but based on what you posted above, I’ll just have to disagree with those that think “incidental” contact is contact that affects the play/shot. If you think that,ok, no hard feelings but that interpretation opens up a massive can of worms.
I agree. Incidental contact in that sense is talking about natural contact i.e. you have two players both jumping vertical in the same space, in the same motion. Fox, on the other hand, had his space disrupted by the defender who made clear and obvious contact to the shooting arm.