I have no idea what the heck you're saying-- I've never listened to Kay on the radio and don't listen to the fan either. Other than knowing M. Francesca who lives in my neighborhood ( he's an ***) and being one of those who were asked years ago about whether a 24 hour sports radio show would work-- I said yes-- I do watch the Yankees on TV and have no opinion about Kay. You are a disturbed azz hat.
Greg extension poll lifted from Round Table, thank you RAC93
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the round table has this at 68% no
here it's at a combined 85% no or can him
bravo boys, the free side has more brains than the round table
here it's at a combined 85% no or can him
bravo boys, the free side has more brains than the round table
FWIW, power rankings. 5 teams on our schedule that should be "winnable
“Winnable” does not mean RU is supposed to win them all. We’re only ranked ahead of 2 teams in the conference and one of those games is on the road. Obviously, we don’t know how good the 4 teams stacked 3-6 in the rankings will be, or how “bad” the others (and BC) will turn out relative to RU.
Without that context, I’m not understanding how anyone on here is proclaiming 7-5 to be some kind of minimum standard. We just overhauled the defense completely. That’s what went wrong last year. Greg brought in a new staff - maybe it will work. Maybe not. But if your saying - he’d better go 7-1 against everyone that isn’t top tier (or 6-2 if he knocks off a top team) to keep his job or not have a seat on fire without even considering how the games go, injuries, and just general observation of how improved the D seems to be and whether the progress on offense is sustained -I just don’t get it. Some of the teams were playing (all of them outside of UMass and Howard) could turn out to be better than expected and we’ll only go into the season favored to win 4 games.
Oh, please stop already. Seven years in. Not a single upset win in the B1G. It's a new excuse every year for the apologists--Jersey is different. Rutgers is different. It's hard to win here. It takes 45 years to install the new offense. No fieldhouse. No NIL money. Not enough NIL money. Schedule is too tough. No fan support. We need better fans. . . . . . .
If he can't notch 4 or 5 B1G wins this year, it is time to move on. Given the buyout, maybe he gets another year at 6-6. Anything less, suck it up and find someone else. The excuse train is just far too long.
you are right but that doesn't change the fact that in year 7, he needs to win at least 7 games or should be shown the door.
There is no denying, he's a lousy football coach who has made a litany of mistake that any serious program would have canned him for.
that said, I agree that you can't tell who we are and who the other teams are until the pads start hitting. I'm not even sure we get out of BC with a win until I see how we look in live football
Our play calling once and execution, once we got inside the opponents red zone, stunk.
Not sure where you’ve been, but Penn state and Wisconson absolutely own us, let’s be honest here.
That’s because you live in a GS bubble a small group of others around here.
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not only that but if you go back and read what he responded to, he didn't even understand what was written
reading is fundamental lol
I usually feel that way but I think we're in for another crappy season so this is more fun hahahahahahaha
I see us winning 1 maybe 2 BIG games. we don't win more than 5 games and God forbid we struggle or lose against BC
I feel better with Lonergan at QB and think he's best of the two
Right, that’s my point. And how BC looks too. The strength of our schedule is a complete wildcard right now.
The bottomline is folks can bring up disappointing results of past seasons, and blame the coach - but he’s still here so at the end of the day, he’s going to be evaluated on whether or not he addresses the prior season issues next season and has us back on track. Early in 2.0 the offense was a disaster. He “fixed” that the past 2 seasons but allowed the defense to tank.
The big picture question now is whether the defense can be corrected under his leadership, without a simultaneous offsetting step back on offense following AK’s departure (and some uncertainty on the OL). These things are highly likely to be aligned with making a bowl, but when you only play 12 games in a season not necessarily more than that (how good the teams you play matters, along with some luck in terms of timing of when you play teams, injuries, etc.)
If we present a top 60 offense and defense following last season, I see almost zero chance that Greg is on the chopping block regardless of our record. Again, it’s unlikely we could have those metrics (which account for SOS) without at least 6 wins, but a drastically improved defense and a steady offense with improving players in the pipeline is what he really needs to show IMO more than simply winning more.
And no - I’m not at all confident he’s going to be able to deliver this. In fact, Johansen might even be in the running for national defensive coach of the year if he pulled it off…
I think the defense and offense are not going to be what people think.
The offensive side is no way going to produce like last year. you and others forget, we lost Strong and AK and either break in a rookie or a new QB new to the system and school (both present issues). The passing game will be less effective in all likelihood and we'll run more this year. We sucked inside the 20s last year so anticipate less scoring this year.
Defense.....I haven't seen what these guys can do at this level and with this roster yet to think we'll be materially better. All the board experts and the like said we'd be awesome last year on D. once again, the board know it alls know Jack and shyyt.
Longergan is legit, he should be a good QB and I like him better than Surace. that doesn't mean Surace can't be better but he's not had a full season of play and after a few games (with Greg playing a new QB and his own conservative philosophy) he'll have tape on him which means they can play to his weaknesses. He's gonna make rookie mistakes whereas Lonergan is more ready to play provided he gets the playbook.
This is Greg's last year if Keli is legit. Greg won't win more than 5 games and if he gets 6, still not enough.
You think the defense and offense, what? The offense is far from a “given” to be decent, but Kirk wouldn’t deserve coach of the year alcolades if it’s comparable to last season. Duff is a star. Lonergan, is at worst servicable and Richie and company are pretty high on some of our other receivers. There are some questions on the OL but also some returning parts. It’s at least reasonably possible that it’s similar or only a slight drop compared to last season. Even a slight improvement is not entirely out of the question.
When your dead last, which the D was, you have nowhere to go but up. On paper though, the talent seems potentially worse, certainly not better. If RU delivers a top 60 defense, that’d be a heck of a coaching job by the new staff.
I put the odds of both of the above working out in our favor (status quo top 60ish offense and a bump in the D to that level too) at under 20%. But if it did happen, I see almost no chance of Greg entering next season anywhere near the hotseat (record aside).
I updated my post as I was working on something and jumped.
After communicating with Keli on some other topics, I'm move convinced than ever that Schiano needs to win at least 8 games the next two years before she'd even think about an extension.
She wants to win. And 6-6 or 7-5 ain't it.
She wants to win. And 6-6 or 7-5 ain't it.
Do you think people actually “think” the offense is going to be great and the defense much better? I don’t.
I think most fans have a reasonable expection of the offense taking a bit of a step back but not downright crashing. There’s too much talent for that. We have some weapons.
I can’t imagine anyone is expecting the defense to be even decent. When your starting rank 125th out of 134 teams and that includes teams like UMass, it’s pretty hard to imagine being “worse”. For this reason alone, you’d think we’ll be at least a little better. The problem is, a little better would still be awful.
As I said before - I consider it a long shot that we end up being above average on both sides of the ball which I’m defining as 60thish ranking nationally (out of 134 teams).
This type of season should result in Schiano being fired.
I'll put the games posted by OTB as expected losses that I feel Rutgers should be able to win
Maryland, Northwestern , Wisconsin and MSU .
More than likely OTB is right, but I feel an 8-4 season isn't out of reach, just not likely.
https://www.onthebanks.com/rutgers-...s-football-early-schedule-prediction-for-2026
I'll put the games posted by OTB as expected losses that I feel Rutgers should be able to win
Maryland, Northwestern , Wisconsin and MSU .
More than likely OTB is right, but I feel an 8-4 season isn't out of reach, just not likely.
Rutgers Football: Early schedule prediction for 2026
It is time to take a look and dive into the 2026 Rutgers Football schedule.https://www.onthebanks.com/rutgers-...s-football-early-schedule-prediction-for-2026
And the screaming old dude will not be convinced until 100,000 answer. They are all Greg haters, irrational fans who don't donate.
Are you sure? Even Al, who thought Wimsatt was a Heisman candidate doesn’t expect us to be all that good. Blames it on the fieldhouse.
Yeah, I’ve been there for all of it, and a huge Greg fan for what he did two times now, but that doesn’t mean I have my head stuck in the sand or up my ***.
I am
granted, I spend most of my time on the round table where it's mostly schianoites afficted by schianopox but yeah
Alright - so my take on the odds are:
Weaker than last year:
Offense = 80% likely
Defense = Less than 5% (bar is ground zero)
Same / slightly better than last year:
Offense = 12%
Defense = 25%
Notably better - but not COY jump:
Offense = 7%
Defense = 60%
Wow Factor Improvement:
Top 40 Offense = 1%
Top 60 Defense = 10%
My forecast:
Offensive Ranking - 75ish
Defensive Ranking - 90ish
So - I see it as very unlikely that Greg has both the total offense and total defense rankings in the top 60-65 (where the offense was last year). If he somehow manages to accomplish this, I believe RU should keep the program in tact, and yes, I would still think that even if we’re 6-6 and blow a couple games on a few head scratching ice the kicker type calls. I understand this isn’t the popular opinion on it, but based on our financial situation and the fact that we recently “cleaned up” the offense and would have seemingly now cleaned up the defense, I wouldn’t be looking to make wholesale changes if we’re clearly trending the right way on both sides of the ball.
Again - I know this isn’t how most are thinking about it but I personally will be much more interested to assess the state of the offense and defense vs our 2026 win count (we’re not going to be contending for a playoff spot regardless).
very fair but in no way should Greg remain. He has proven he is not the guy so we're just spinning wheels in the mud here
It isn’t only about that. There’s a big picture short term element to consider.
If the offense and defense are both trending clearly in the right direction, do you really want someone new coming in who may want to install their own defense or risk the new guy just hiring walking with his staff? Even on offense. Would that really be the time we would want Kirk to move on? Again - top 60 finish is the assumption. If that happens - both our existing OC and DC would be marketable.
I’ll tell you what. Maybe Keli is just itching to wipe it all out and bring in her own thing, but in the circumstance described above it would be a huge, potentially foolish decision to make unless she does in fact have an absolute slam dunk, Urban Meyer type hire lined up. We’d be absorbing a 17M buyout to electively create a rebuild situation for a program headed in the right direction on paper.
Do you really think if the AD chooses to part ways with Greg. She will force the OC/DC on her new hire? Talk about making the job unattractive. Would never happen. If you fire the HC at any school in any sport you part ways with the entire staff. If the new hire chooses to keep people that’s his/her choice.
Yes - correct. That’s exactly my point. That’s why I think the big picture success of the offense and defense on a whole next season is a much more important factor than the record itself in the HC decision for 2027.
If it turns out several teams we play deal with injuries and suck more than expected - it’s certainly possible we could get 6 wins and things not be trending up individually on offense / defense. Hypothetically the OL could be worse with questions around Turner. Perhaps Duff has a Caroo like season but he’s the main bright spot and of course projects to be gone in 2027. And say the defense is only marginally better than last year with nobody with return potential emerging as a star. In that case - I’d have no problem wiping the slate clean at that point in time (though I’m not sure it would happen anyway if we made a bowl).
But on the other hand, if the state of both the offense and defense are in a very good forward looking place - why would we pay the buy out at that point to start over.
it’s for these reasons that I think Greg’s short term future should mostly be attached to the performance of his coordinators this year.
His short term future and long term future is directly tied to the performance of his coordinators every year. He hired them. This is also why Keli didn’t allow Greg to fire Robb Smith in season. Because he made a horrible choice in hiring him for the 3rd time. And didn’t have a plan. I don’t think 6-6 or even 7-5 is trending in the right direction. I agree bide time and give Greg what he needs to compete. But if the high water mark is 6-6 or 7-5 the decision needs to be made sooner rather than later.
To be fair - aside from the odds of having both a top 65 adjusted total offense and defense not being high to begin with, the odds of that happening AND it somehow not translating into at least 8 wins are very low.
But look, the math certainly is not impossible - especially with our red zone issues. I still think it would be an incredibly risky decision to start from scratch coming off a season where offense and your defense both performed above average albeit slightly - still much improved. That buy out is still a dark cloud overhead. I think it’s a much easier sell if the defense still is a disaster and the offense takes a big step back.
I am not saying eating the full contract and buyout is ideal. But 6-6 7-5 is not moving the needle and only would buy Greg this year and next at most. There will not be extensions and there will not be stipulations on the next hire regarding maintaining staff. Not happening.
I wouldn't worry about it. Schiano isn't getting replaced; the guy has the job for as long as he wants it.