I’m no legal scholar but,

patdog

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It seems to me the TT QB lawyers undermined their own case when they proposed a 2-game suspension & the judge agreed. If their argument & the judge’s ruling was that you can’t punish an addiction, wrong as that is it at least makes logical sense. But this is admitting the NCAA can punish him and just arguing how much they can punish him. I would think this should get overturned on appeal. But it would be appealed to another Texas court so I’m not holding my breath.
 
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It seems to me the TT QB lawyers undermined their own case when they proposed a 2-game suspension & the judge agreed. If their argument & the judge’s ruling was that you can’t punish an addiction, wrong as that is it at least makes logical sense. But this is admitting the NCAA can punish him and just arguing how much they can punish him. I would think this should get overturned on appeal. But it would be appealed to another Texas court so I’m not holding my breath.
The court of appeals that it would go to are all five Texas Tech alumni.
 

Dawgzilla2

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Their argument was that the punishment was disproportionately harsh, as opposed to claiming there should be no punishment at all.

Still disagree with the decision, but I don't think the 2 game penalty is the flaw.
 
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surely that would never happen in MISSISSSIPPI!

thousands of atheletes are going to get on that betting game now that this ruling hit
Yeah this broadcasted a message to a group of people, athletes and non athletes alike, who are already enormously consumed with gambling, saying that it's really not that big of a deal. There are a lot of young men whose financial security are being wrecked by pressing a button on their app and losing hundreds of thousands of dollars every time they press that button.
 

Perd Hapley

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surely that would never happen in MISSISSSIPPI!

thousands of atheletes are going to get on that betting game now that this ruling hit
Disagree. Thousands of athletes were in on the betting game well before this. They just weren’t dumb enough to admit it. Now it just calls into question every single outcome on the field, for every sport, until an enforcable policy is set in place.

Makes me feel good about not paying for any of this crap anymore. No NIL donations, ESPN subscription, etc.
 
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patdog

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Disagree. Thousands of athletes were in on the betting game well before this. They just weren’t dumb enough to admit it. Now it just calls into question every single outcome on the field, for every sport, until an enforcable policy is set in place.

Makes me feel good about not paying for any of this crap anymore. No NIL donations, ESPN subscription, etc.
No doubt. Every sports team in the country has players that gamble on it. Most have players that gamble a lot. We just need to find some friendly judges in Oktibbeha County and on the Mississippi appeals courts.
 

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It's going to take the schools to police itself. It's going to take schools refusing to play schools who use court to bypass NCAA rules. It should start with the Presidents of schools on NCAA committee. Either the NCAA means something or not. If it can't police college sports it needs to be disbanded. Every ruling going forward by the NCAA will be challenged.

Side Question: What if a school in another state sues in their state court not to allow him to play in their state? Apparently, judges can do what they want in their state. Right or wrong doesn't matter. It would not be far fetching states with sports book or casinos bringing lawsuits to keep him from playing in their state. How can they legitimately set lines with him gambling and playing?
 
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onewoof

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Disagree. Thousands of athletes were in on the betting game well before this. They just weren’t dumb enough to admit it. Now it just calls into question every single outcome on the field, for every sport, until an enforcable policy is set in place.

Makes me feel good about not paying for any of this crap anymore. No NIL donations, ESPN subscription, etc.
thosands were and some were terrified of what might happen.... many more will mess around with it now that there has only been a 2 game suspension, and coaches will too
 

johnson86-1

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It's going to take the schools to police itself. It's going to take schools refusing to play schools who use court to bypass NCAA rules. It should start with the Presidents of schools on NCAA committee. Either the NCAA means something or not. If it can't police college sports it needs to be disbanded. Every ruling going forward by the NCAA will be challenged.

Side Question: What if a school in another state sues in their state court not to allow him to play in their state? Apparently, judges can do what they want in their state. Right or wrong doesn't matter. It would not be far fetching states with sports book or casinos bringing lawsuits to keep him from playing in their state. How can they legitimately set lines with him gambling and playing?
Schools cannot police it themselves. Going to have to be the conferences. Although really, if a judge can tell the NCAA they can't have eligibility rules, then I'm not sure what will stop the court from issuing an injunction purporting to prohibit conferences from boycotting teams that use their friendly local judge to circumvent eligibility rules.
 

GloryDawg

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Schools cannot police it themselves. Going to have to be the conferences. Although really, if a judge can tell the NCAA they can't have eligibility rules, then I'm not sure what will stop the court from issuing an injunction purporting to prohibit conferences from boycotting teams that use their friendly local judge to circumvent eligibility rules.
My questions along this line. If Tech was on OLe MIss or MSU schedule for a home game could OLe MIss or MSU bring a lawsuit prohibiting their QB from playing in the game in the state of Mississippi? Could the owners of the sport book or casinos?
 

Colonel Angus.sixpack

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It seems to me the TT QB lawyers undermined their own case when they proposed a 2-game suspension & the judge agreed. If their argument & the judge’s ruling was that you can’t punish an addiction, wrong as that is it at least makes logical sense. But this is admitting the NCAA can punish him and just arguing how much they can punish him. I would think this should get overturned on appeal. But it would be appealed to another Texas court so I’m not holding my breath.
You can absolutely punish an addiction. It happens every day.
 

Colonel Angus.sixpack

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Disagree. Thousands of athletes were in on the betting game well before this. They just weren’t dumb enough to admit it. Now it just calls into question every single outcome on the field, for every sport, until an enforcable policy is set in place.

Makes me feel good about not paying for any of this crap anymore. No NIL donations, ESPN subscription, etc.
Homeboy never admitted it until he got caught. There’s a difference
 
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johnson86-1

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My questions along this line. If Tech was on OLe MIss or MSU schedule for a home game could OLe MIss or MSU bring a lawsuit prohibiting their QB from playing in the game in the state of Mississippi? Could the owners of the sport book or casinos?
If Ole Miss or MSU brought a lawsuit trying to force the NCAA to enforce its eligibility rules in the state of Mississippi, then the courts could issue an injunction against the NCAA that makes it impossible for them to comply with the Texas court order and the Mississippi order. Generally they won't do that. There is an expectation of comity between the courts of equal jurisdiction, and the general expectation is that when either state court could have validly ruled on a matter, the court receiving the matter second will defer to the court receiving the matter first. That said, these cases are obviously driven by politics, not law, so maybe a chancellor would do that (probably less likely as Ole Miss probably picked their most homerish chancellor for the Chambliss injunction, and he is not going to want to throw a stone from a glass house on the issue; but if Ole Miss hadn't already blown that wad, and playing Texas Tech was implicating their playoff chances, then maybe). And Mississippi would have a plausible argument for why it should do it, with legalized gambling and sports books, it does have a particular interest in not having players gambling on their own games.

But in short, no, there's no real possibility.
 
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