Anthropic says something unsettling has been happening to Claude
New trend could see humans lose control over AI systems, Anthropic warns
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Does this concern the AI doubters?
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This the same Anthropic? Seems to me it's their systems that may be the problem here.
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Anthropic says something unsettling has been happening to Claude
New trend could see humans lose control over AI systems, Anthropic warns
I’ve always pictured Dontae Jones reading like Johnny 5 during that fateful session of summer school. “In-for-mation”
He just didn't have much help in the 2001 Finals
This is the answer
Practice.....we talking about practice
Once it starts writing it's own code, it starts dictating its operating parameters, which then leads to it doing what it wants.
Yep, and it's now independently improving the code.... key word independently. We can tell it to code and find the most efficient way with parameters that we dictate but when the parameters get in the way of efficiency all bets are off....but you could still claim but we told it to do it...duh
It's not just the what it's also the how. Those can be competing interests. Let's say efficiency is the higher order parameter we "told" it to achieve then if we can't control the how well.... but but it only does what we tell it....yep.
You AI lovers seriously need to get some experience with AI. I'm convinced that you all just need something to talk about.
The data center riots are going to be what ultimately slow it down. It certainly won't be Anthropic. They sound like a travel baseball coach concern trolling other teams by saying they should practice less to not burn kids out, while in reality they just don't want those teams doing the work needed to beat them.
The data center riots are going to be what ultimately slow it down. It certainly won't be Anthropic. They sound like a travel baseball coach concern trolling other teams by saying they should practice less to not burn kids out, while in reality they just don't want those teams doing the work needed to beat them.
You can read the original article from Anthropic here.
IMO, Anthropic is actually putting the most effort into safety and ethics, certainly more than OpenAI and Meta. But that’s admittedly a low bar.
IMO, Anthropic is actually putting the most effort into safety and ethics, certainly more than OpenAI and Meta. But that’s admittedly a low bar.
Are AI doubters the people who doubt it will be great/transformative?
Are the AI doubters the people who think it will be transformative and doubt it will be good for humanity/society?
Those are pretty different groups, but both are 'doubters'.
Are the AI doubters the people who think it will be transformative and doubt it will be good for humanity/society?
Those are pretty different groups, but both are 'doubters'.
AI isn't going anywhere. It's here to stay. China is pumping a LOT of money into negative publicity for AI data centers in the US because they see it as a battle that they want to win, and if they can stifle US data center development, China can gain an edge in development and construction. It's a fierce battle. They fund groups echoing China's narratives against U.S. AI infrastructure while China rapidly builds its own data centers with subsidies. There are also 4 or 5 European environmentalists and groups funding the US negativity campaign.
You may be right. I can tell you there are a whole lot of regular ol' American citizens with questions and concerns about data centers..
I read an old sci-fi short story where they accidentally told the AI computer to have something shipped to them the previous month instead of next month. The computer created time travel to do it.
I link this all the time, it’s over 10 years old now but pretty wild to read knowing how much has come to fruition. Just waiting on Turry to take over the world.
The AI Revolution: Our Immortality or Extinction
Part 2: "Our Immortality or Our Extinction". When Artificial Intelligence gets superintelligent, it's either going to be a dream or a nightmare for us.
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but what's the basis for those concerns? what people read? some video they saw on youtube about data centers? 90% of it is manufactured from foreign interference and the production companies pay people to act in the videos. It's scripted. yes, data centers with on-site power turbines create a lot of noise. In my opinion, Desoto county should have pushed back on Elon for putting those turbines there. They could have located them away from a congested area. Most don't have on-site power turbines and aren't creating their own power. They pre-negotiate their power availability, rates, and consumption with the power companies before they ever sign an MOU to build the data center. Local residents don't pay the power bill of a data center. The user (company) does. If more capacity is needed, the company negotiates with power companies to fund the buildout of those new generating plants. Modern data centers consume less water than a small, rural community. New ones are closed-loop. I've traveled all over the country meeting with leaders and communities where data center development started and has occurred. Disclaimer: I am on the BOS of a county in MS where data center development is in the negotiation phase, and am friends with Mike Turner, a County Commissioner in Loudoun County, VA, which is the data center capital of the country. They have more data center capacity in that county than most of the rest of the country combined. You should see their schools up there, and their road infrastructure, parks. They have so much tax revenue from those data center to offer their residents a standard of living unmatched. Another fake news story is that data centers don't pay taxes and get everything exempted. Completely false. They are required to enter into what is called a "fee-in-lieu" agreement. It's a fee they pay the county, city, and schools, as opposed to ad valorem tax. Yes, it's a reduced rate, but it's stupid money for the counties, cities, and schools, because of the value of the things. They are worth Billions, tens of Billions. We are negotiating with three companies right now, are very close to closing on a 400 megawatt, with another 300 megawatt on it's heels, and a third 750 megawatt on it's heels. Those three projects will bring in right at $300 MM per year to each of the county AND school district. The state is offering a sales tax incentive to the companies through MDA. The companies pay no sales tax for the equipment that goes inside the data centers. This past year, the legislature tried to ram through a bill to take 80% of the fee-in-lieu money on data center projects greater than $1 Billion. That is local ad valorem money being taken by the state. The measure failed twice.
Dawg I'm gonna shoot straight, this is a lot and it's mighty hard to read without some paragraph breaks. Starting with the first couple sentences it kind of sounds like you've got you mind made up and aren't especially interested in hearing answers to your questions.
You really don't think these concerns about water, energy, sound pollution, and folks livlihoods merit attention? You really think the pushback is all outside agitators?
As you come to hear more from your constituents, as an elected official I hope you'll take those into account along with high-falutin' claims from data companies and a county commissioner in Virginia.
All shiit aside, local leadership is vital - way more so than whoever the President and Governor are, for most of our day-to-day lives. It's hard work when it's done right. Best of luck to you and your colleagues working to make good decisions for everyone there.
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This post is consistent with my understanding of the data center project in Lauderdale County.
I suggest you guys really dive deeper into your critical thinking skills
You didn't answer my questions. Where are those concerns coming from? Do some research yourself. That doesn't involve your own pre-disposed opinion. Have you done any real research that doesn't involve watching produced videos on YouTube about data centers? Why aren't you opposed to the battery plant that is going in in north Mississippi. The chemicals they'll use there are terrible for the environment. How about a car plant. Canton Nissan and blue springs Toyota use massive amounts of electricity. The fact is...you saw a bunch of videos and articles online that said data centers were bad and your natural liberal intuition ran with it as fact. And make no mistake, the amount of money being poured into the negative propaganda from overseas is massive. China does NOT plan to lose the AI battle to the US
Like I said, sounds like you may have already made up your mind. You might be right.
I wonder how
All this "AI" horseshit is just smoke, mirrors, and bullshitting. The pattern recognition stuff is amazing on its own, but it's not intelligence.
Anthropic says something unsettling has been happening to Claude
New trend could see humans lose control over AI systems, Anthropic warns
Sigh. Wake me when these "AI"s can do basic trigonometry. Right now, they cant. Because they're not smart, they're just good at pattern recognition, and have the entirety of the internet to draw from for pattern recognition.I link this all the time, it’s over 10 years old now but pretty wild to read knowing how much has come to fruition. Just waiting on Turry to take over the world.
The AI Revolution: Our Immortality or Extinction
Part 2: "Our Immortality or Our Extinction". When Artificial Intelligence gets superintelligent, it's either going to be a dream or a nightmare for us.
All this "AI" horseshit is just smoke, mirrors, and bullshitting. The pattern recognition stuff is amazing on its own, but it's not intelligence.
In my limited experience the people with the most and loudest AI data center concerns know next to nothing about AI data centers. That doesn't affect their strong opinions.
i'm gonna blow your mind. the website you're typing this on and look at every day. housed in a data center. your Gmail account. housed in a data center. the YouTube videos you watch. all in a data center. The Microsoft 365 apps you use and your OneDrive information. housed in a data center. your iCloud data. in a data center. The Quickbooks that people use everyday to run their business. in a data center. Apple and Google maps. yep, in a data center. The news websites you look at. data center. Apps on your iphone or android phone. in a data center. i could go on. you never hear any complaints about those things. It's just AI. Why do you think that is?
i like you. you have good takes on here. very witty. not a PITA. and seem pretty smart
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I understand the angst about AI but i don’t understand how people don’t realize they have to hold their nose and support it. If an AI robot is going to kill me, i would prefer an American robot to a Chinese robot. I figured that when Elon said that eventually people wouldn’t have to work, everyone would get onboard with that.
Heard today on Memphis Talk Radio that Google is going to build a huge AI data center in West Memphis.....but since it won't be ready until about 3-4 years, they are going to rent AI computing from Grok in south Memphis and Mississippi for $900+ million PER MONTH until it is up and running. Needless to say, probably time to buy into Musk's new merger called SpaceXAI.