Seems like you are ignoring what other programs have done this off seasonIt seems highly likely the players Rutgers brought in via the Portal are significantly better than the players that left via the Portal.
Combine that with the expected improvement of the younger returning players and it seems a near certainty that this team will be quite a bit better than last years.
Yet this "expert" is downgrading Rutgers from 14th (where they finished last year) to 16th this year.
Seems like a good example of how people being predisposed to an opinion or view of a program based on past results affects their "predictions" for the future.
The Big Ten got a hell of a lot better this offseason. Just look at the Transfer Portal rankings alone.It seems highly likely the players Rutgers brought in via the Portal are significantly better than the players that left via the Portal.
Combine that with the expected improvement of the younger returning players and it seems a near certainty that this team will be quite a bit better than last years.
Yet this "expert" is downgrading Rutgers from 14th (where they finished last year) to 16th this year.
Seems like a good example of how people being predisposed to an opinion or view of a program based on past results affects their "predictions" for the future.
There is some truth to this, but at the same time, the name on the jersey still matters. It impacts the value of transfers. Every year, Nebraska's transfers are considered the next great thing. We are still waiting for them to be the next great thing. The same goes for Maryland. If you want the whole truth, you really have to do your own research.The Big Ten got a hell of a lot better this offseason. Just look at the Transfer Portal rankings alone.
- No. 3 USC
- No. 6 Indiana
- No. 8 UCLA
- No. 16 Nebraska
- No. 22 Maryland
- No. 30 Oregon
- No. 38 Ohio State
- No. 42 Penn State
- No. 46 Minnesota
- No. 51 Northwestern
- No. 52 Wisconsin
- No. 58 Illinois
- No. 63 Rutgers
Seems we did better than 5 B1G teams in the portal plus we brought back our best player and at least 2 other occasional starters, which you’d think would put us at 13 or 14 instead of 16th in this prediction.The Big Ten got a hell of a lot better this offseason. Just look at the Transfer Portal rankings alone.
- No. 3 USC
- No. 6 Indiana
- No. 8 UCLA
- No. 16 Nebraska
- No. 22 Maryland
- No. 30 Oregon
- No. 38 Ohio State
- No. 42 Penn State
- No. 46 Minnesota
- No. 51 Northwestern
- No. 52 Wisconsin
- No. 58 Illinois
- No. 63 Rutgers
Sure these teams are bringing in better net transfers but this ranking ignores the incredible amount of talent that either graduated or left for the draft. Below is the team in reverse B1G standings order and Torvik PRPG! rating of players that aren't returning. Anything 2.5 or higher is considered good. Cameron Boozer had the highest with 7.6:The Big Ten got a hell of a lot better this offseason. Just look at the Transfer Portal rankings alone.
- No. 3 USC
- No. 6 Indiana
- No. 8 UCLA
- No. 16 Nebraska
- No. 22 Maryland
- No. 30 Oregon
- No. 38 Ohio State
- No. 42 Penn State
- No. 46 Minnesota
- No. 51 Northwestern
- No. 52 Wisconsin
- No. 58 Illinois
- No. 63 Rutgers
Great listing!Sure these teams are bringing in better net transfers but this ranking ignores the incredible amount of talent that either graduated or left for the draft. Below is the team in reverse B1G standings order and Torvik PRPG! rating of players that aren't returning. Anything 2.5 or higher is considered good. Cameron Boozer had the highest with 7.6:
18. Penn State - Josh Reed (3.0), Freddie Dilione (2.9), Kayden Mingo (2.9)
17. Maryland - David Coit (3.1)
16. Oregon - Nate Bittle (3.7), Kwame Evans (3.4), Jackson Shelstad (3.3)
15. Northwestern - Nick Martinelli (6.0)
14. Rutgers - Dylan Grant (1.6) <- Highest
13. Washington - Hannes Steinbach (5.6), Zoom Diallo (3.7)
12. USC - Chad Baker-Mazara (3.8), Ezra Ausar (3.3)
11. Minnesota - Cade Tyson (5.3)
10. Indiana - Lamar Wilkerson (5.0), Tucker DeVries (3.2), Sam Alexis (3.1), Reed Bailey (2.7)
9. Iowa - Bennett Stirtz (6.2), Tavion Banks (2.8), Alvaro Folgueiras (2.7)
8. Ohio State - Bruce Thornton (7.2), Devin Royal (3.5), Christoph Tilly (3.0)
7. UCLA - Tyler Bilodeau (4.9), Donovan Dent (3.8), Sky Clark (3.2)
6. Purdue - Braden Smith (5.3), Oscar Cluff (5.0), Trey Kaufman-Renn (4.6), Fletcher Loyer (4.6)
5. Wisconsin - Nick Boyd (5.8), John Blackwell (4.9)
4. Illinois - Keaton Wagler (6.5), Kylan Boswell (4.4)
3. Michigan State - Kaxon Kohler (3.7), Carson Cooper (3.2)
2. Nebraska - Sam Hoiberg (3.8), Reink Mast (3.3)
1. Michigan - Yaxel Landeborg (5.8), Morez Johnson Jr. (4.3), Aday Mara (3.4)
I actually think a lot, maybe even most, B1G teams are less talented this year. Although that doesn't mean that they'll finish behind Rutgers because they had a lot of ground to make up.Great listing!
The players that teams lost should obviously be taken into account. Most telling is how low rated Dylan Grant was. Although he was nowhere near as effective in Big Ten play as he was in OOC, he was still one of the better scorers.
Given who Rutgers kept, who Rutgers lost, and who Rutgers got, Rutgers is likely one of the most improved teams. Hopefully, that will result in more wins. The general prediction is 3 more wins so this team will still need to overachieve to get into the NCAAs.
The only Big Ten team that I don’t think will do better this season than last season is Michigan since it’s pretty darn hard to improve on national champion.
Sure these teams are bringing in better net transfers but this ranking ignores the incredible amount of talent that either graduated or left for the draft. Below is the team in reverse B1G standings order and Torvik PRPG! rating of players that aren't returning. Anything 2.5 or higher is considered good. Cameron Boozer had the highest with 7.6:
18. Penn State - Josh Reed (3.0), Freddie Dilione (2.9), Kayden Mingo (2.9)
17. Maryland - David Coit (3.1)
16. Oregon - Nate Bittle (3.7), Kwame Evans (3.4), Jackson Shelstad (3.3)
15. Northwestern - Nick Martinelli (6.0)
14. Rutgers - Dylan Grant (1.6) <- Highest
13. Washington - Hannes Steinbach (5.6), Zoom Diallo (3.7)
12. USC - Chad Baker-Mazara (3.8), Ezra Ausar (3.3)
11. Minnesota - Cade Tyson (5.3)
10. Indiana - Lamar Wilkerson (5.0), Tucker DeVries (3.2), Sam Alexis (3.1), Reed Bailey (2.7)
9. Iowa - Bennett Stirtz (6.2), Tavion Banks (2.8), Alvaro Folgueiras (2.7)
8. Ohio State - Bruce Thornton (7.2), Devin Royal (3.5), Christoph Tilly (3.0)
7. UCLA - Tyler Bilodeau (4.9), Donovan Dent (3.8), Sky Clark (3.2)
6. Purdue - Braden Smith (5.3), Oscar Cluff (5.0), Trey Kaufman-Renn (4.6), Fletcher Loyer (4.6)
5. Wisconsin - Nick Boyd (5.8), John Blackwell (4.9)
4. Illinois - Keaton Wagler (6.5), Kylan Boswell (4.4)
3. Michigan State - Kaxon Kohler (3.7), Carson Cooper (3.2)
2. Nebraska - Sam Hoiberg (3.8), Reink Mast (3.3)
1. Michigan - Yaxel Landeborg (5.8), Morez Johnson Jr. (4.3), Aday Mara (3.4)
Here's all the returning players for each team. As you can see, not a lot of high end talent coming back.Great list! Is this information available for returning players too?
Here's all the returning players for each team. As you can see, not a lot of high end talent coming back.
And do with this what you will, but if you filter the schedule to only show the games after Mark's 3PT cold streak ended, his rating would be 2.0.
18. Penn State - Ivan Juric (2.0)
17. Maryland - Pharrel Payne (4.4), Andre Mills (2.4), George Turkson (-0.3), Guillermo Del Pino (-0.6)
16. Oregon - Sean Stewart (1.2), Luke Johnson (0.0)
15. Northwestern - Angelo Ciaravino (1.7), Jake West (0.9), Phoenix Gill (-0.2)
14. Rutgers - Tariq Francis (4.2), Jamichael Davis (1.7), Darren Buchanan (1.0), Lino Mark (0.6), Kaden Powers (0.5), Gevonte Ware (-1.4)
13. Washington - Wesley Yates III (1.7), Jasir Rencher (1.0), Bryson Tucker (0.8), Lathan Sommerville (0.5), Nikola Dzepina (0.4)
12. USC - Rodney Rice (4.2), Jacob Cofie (1.8), Alijah Arenas (1.6)
11. Minnesota - Bobby Durkin (2.5), Jaylen Crocker-Johnson (2.0), Isaac Asuma (1.5), Grayson Grove (1.1), Kai Shinholster (-0.1)
10. Indiana - Trent Sisley (0.6), Ian Stephens (0.4), Drew Snively (-0.2)
9. Iowa - Cooper Koch (2.9), Cam Manyawu (2.4), Tate Sage (2.0), Kael Combs (1.4), Isaia Howard (1.2), Trevin Jirak (0.5), Joey Matteoni (0.3)
8. Ohio State - John Mobley Jr. (4.0), Amare Bynum (2.3), Ivan Njegovan (0.9),
7. UCLA - Trent Perry (3.7), Eric Dailey (2.6), Xavier Booker (2.2), Brandon Williams (0.6), Eric Freeny (0.2)
6. Purdue - CJ Cox (3.2), Daniel Jacobsen (1.7), Jack Benter (1.6), Gicarri Harris (1.5), Omer Mayer (0.9), Jace Rayl (-0.6), Jack Lusk (-0.7)
5. Wisconsin - Nolan Winter (4.6), Austin Rapp (2.6), Will Garlock (0.3), Zach Kinziger (0.2), Hayden Jones (0.2), Jack Janicki (-0.1)
4. Illinois - David Mirkovic (4.4), Andrej Stojakovic (3.7), Tomislav Ivisic (3.3), Jake Davis (3.0), Zvonimir Ivisic (2.1), Jason Jakstys (1.1), Blake Fagbemi (-0.4)
3. Michigan State - Jeremy Fears (5.9), Coen Carr (2.6), Jordan Scott (1.4), Kur Teng (1.3), Cameron Ward (0.8), Jesse McCulloch (0.7), Trey Fort (0.5), Colin Walton (0.5), Brennan Walton (0.0)
2. Nebraska - Pryce Sandfort (5.1), Braden Frager (2.7), Cale Jacobsen (1.1), Leo Curtis (0.4)
1. Michigan - Elliot Cadeau (3.0), Trey McKenney (2.7), LJ Cason (1.9), Oscar Goodman (0.1)
Here's how I would rank the returning talent. (EDIT) Probably better to put them in tiers since a lot of these are very close:
Tier 1
1. Illinois
2. Michigan State
3. Nebraska
Tier 2
4. UCLA
Tier 3
5. Michigan (Forgot Cason out for the year so drops them from Tier 2 to Tier 3)
6. Ohio State
7. Purdue
8. Iowa
Tier 4
9. Rutgers
10. Wisconsin
11. USC
12. Maryland
Tier 5
13. Minnesota
14. Washington
15. Northwestern
Tier 6
16. Penn State
17. Oregon
18. Indiana
Yeah there's going to be some issues when you're relying solely on stats. And I believe that rating might only be an offensive rating so it's limited. The formula is pretty complicated but basically takes the unadjusted O-Rating and accounts for usage rate and opponent. So Crocker-Johnson really isn't the most efficient shooter and his OR rate and assist rate are low so his O-Rating isn't going to be great. But it does get boosted since his Usage Rate is high.It’s hard for me to take these ratings seriously, when Jaylen Crocker-Johnson is considered only “slightly” better than J Mike. They play different positions and maybe I just wish we had a veteran 4 on our roster, but come on.
In theory - if there’s any truth to the rankings they should correlate to the price tag. Crocker-Johnson probably costs double what J Mike is costing us. 6-8 240 lb forward who averaged 13 pt / 7 rebounds / 2 assists.
Completely agreeLooking at "returning players" and "transfers" and "HS recruits" in vacuums is pointless.
Last I checked the games aren't played "Returning players v. Returning players".