I wouldn`t pay a dime if I had college-age kids to go to most universities. Get a degree from Harvard, Columbia? So what? Hundreds of thousands of dollars to learn the professors` political beliefs and a distorted view of America and certain other countries? The left west coast schools who also fail to protect Jewish students and conservative speakers that basically aren`t allowed to speak without threats of, or actual, violence? Hopefully the school we hold dearly will never go the woke route. Those schools and so-called leaders preach tolerance while they are the ones who sew hate and division.
The American Public Has Gotten the Message on College Degrees
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Define special please. I am thinking your definition will be different. I was replying to a post about astronauts and plumbers.
I saw proof of this the last 6-7 years before I retired. The young people who were hired to replace the older workers who retired came in fresh out of college, most were mid 20's, had never worked anywhere or had to earn anything in their lives, yet thought they were superior to everyone else who had been working at this origination for many years simply because of their masters, or doctorate degrees. None of them were willing to let any of us who had been working at this origination for many years explain anything to them because they thought their college degree made them all knowing about everything. Yet when major mistakes were made by them, they would attempt to blame the mistake they made on one of us. I was so happy to finally reach retirement age and get away from the insanity at that place. It's just like I tried to tell one of those know-it-all kids. A college degree can be a fine thing, but it will never buy you an ounce of common sense.
I still believe a college education is very important, the reality is you do have more opportunities available with a college education. Obviously, college is not for everyone, also it is worth noting people with excellent skills in the trades (electrical, plumbing, carpentry and HVAC) can make a great life for themselves, as a society we need to stop being such snobs about that.
Even those of us who do not work in the hard sciences benefit from basic knowledge of these disciplines.
I've mentioned in years past that my first two years of college were at Davidson before I transferred to USC. Davidson seems to be reasonably apolitical for a liberal arts school.
Nothing wrong with having the ability to both wire a house and quote Shakespeare.
Last sentence is so true.
But it will buy you an arrogant, know-it-all attitude.
Possibly, but there are people who are both right - and arrogant - some of the time. We, I included, dismiss them because we find them insufferable. However, our dismissiveness has nothing to do with judging sound argument one way or the other.
This is true, but with some their argument is ''right'' regardless of whether it is ''sound'' and factually based and thus the arrogance. Today's college education is more indoctrination based than presenting both sides of an argument/issue and challenging the student to make their case based on ''their interpretation'' of the facts (if both sides even get presented). If a student presents an argument the presenter and his followers doesn't like they are ostracized and often punished with failing grades. America's moral fiber is in serious decay.
It doesn't matter about any of the stuff you mentioned. You cannot teach common sense.
When government steps in and guarantees money, the cost of what ever the government is buying expands exponentially. That is a pattern you can follow all the way back to the industrial revolution. Once people realize they can make a huge profit off guaranteed government funds, they tend to attempt to do so.
''Green Energy'' and COVID are two recent prime examples
Health Insurance costs exploded after Obamacare.
My two older kids are going to get undergrad and advanced degrees because these are required for their chosen professions. I'm no dummy, however I believe I am less intelligent than my second daughter today . My son, about to be 14 and is intelligent but despises school, is going to be "encouraged" to pursue a trade, something that AI assuredly cannot commandeer. Think lineman, electrician, plumber, welder etc. He can eventually be his own boss in most trades (not lineman though).
. My son, about to be 14 and is intelligent but despises school, is going to be "encouraged" to pursue a trade, something that AI assuredly cannot commandeer. Think lineman, electrician, plumber, welder etc. He can eventually be his own boss in most trades (not lineman though).
Could go several different ways but I'll go with ''the preferred narrative'' which can't be challenged or you are called a racist, homophobe, Nazi, etc.
Schooling in the trades is still schooling.My two older kids are going to get undergrad and advanced degrees because these are required for their chosen professions. I'm no dummy, however I believe I am less intelligent than my second daughter today
"College degrees" is in the thread title. That's different from a welding certification.
I don’t know where the lady urologist that split my nut sack open to repair my Hydrocele went to college but I’m glad she did.
I preface this by saying that the University of South Carolina is the only college I know, but I don't know when all of this so-called indoctrination is happening on college campuses. Most college classes are either 50 minutes or 75 minutes depending on whether you are going to that class 2 days or 3 days a week. Most of the classes are in a large setting. By the time you go over the assigned lesson for that day, have a couple students ask questions, and introduce the lesson for the next day, class is over. A professor has anywhere from 30 students (small class) to well over 100 students. So, you might get office hours with that professor once or twice a semester. You don't have time to either gauge a professor's political beliefs or do you care. You are just trying to do the best you can to get the best grade possible and move on to the next class. Heck, in some of the science and math classes where there were more foreign-born professors, you are trying your best just to understand what they are saying due to their accents. So, I see these claims of woke professors indoctrinating kids as a political strawman argument. Kids just tend to change and become their own person between the ages of 18-24. They have their own experiences which may not align with their parents. They question what they may have learned from you. That's just normal, human behavior. That's not some woke conspiracy. If you raised your child right, you just have to trust that your child will ultimately come back to your way of thinking. Even if they don't, that is okay too as long as they are doing something positive.
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Math, engineering and computer science are pretty cut and dried but other majors may require the written expression of the narrative presented by that professor and the student has a choice to make. Do I state my true beliefs or do I go along with the narrative to get the grade. Believe me, it happens more often than you think as relayed to me by numerous student relatives and their friends. As they expressed to me, professors will intentionally put students in this position to identify their persuasion and test their commitment to their beliefs.
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I have the degrees in the disciplines you are talking about. I have a Political Science degree and a Law Degree. If it didn't happen in those disciplines, it's not happening. Actually, if I were to venture a guess, I would say that most of the Law professors I had leaned Conservative, but I would just be guessing. They were too busy teaching their area of expertise and you were busy trying to just get the best grade you can. Most classes consisted of a few suck-ups asking 2 or 3 questions regarding the lesson just to give the professor the sense that they were listening and the class was over. As I have said before to some Conservatives that I communicate with, tell me the class where these Woke professors reside. They can never give you a straight answer. They just respond with "It's happening".
The examples I expressed were given to me by recent grads and current students and I no reason to doubt them.
Some are state schools and some were not.
I bet they didn't tell you what the professors did or what class it was in. A professor is going to say something that makes you feel a certain way if he teaches long enough, liberal or conservative. I could accuse my 5th Grade Teacher of indoctrinating for making me feel a certain way when she taught about slavery. My grown-up self doesn't do that because he realizes that the lady was doing the best she can based her view on life. People are way too sensitive these days.
This was my exact experience. As you say, the STEM classes had little room for that, but stepping outside that realm and there was a noticeable difference.
English and speech classes were the most egregious, to my recollection. And this was roughly 30 years ago.
They did share specifics but I did not share those details.
It's happening and you can believe it or choose not to.
As they say in the law, if you can't prove it, it didn't happen. I, also, bet those same students never confronted the professor so he/she could defend themselves from their accusations. They were probably just being accusatory and moved on to the next class. ....and why are you going off other people's experiences anyway. Don't you have experiences of your own that you can share. You are spouting some hearsay right now.
Take a step back and realize, if someone is invested in pretending it doesnt happen, no amount of evidence will be seen as proof. Its not like the professors list point deductions for political opinions in the syllabus.
What I find funny is when some of those same people will accept innuendo as proof of somethingif it does happen to align with their beliefs.
But hypocrisy is almost as old as man.
Why pretend. It does not matter that much to me. You are doing the exact same thing that Conservative colleagues of mine do when I press them on this. Claim it happens and have no specific details. Not very convincing. As a person that has experienced the timing and pace of schools, there is really not much time to be getting into all this indoctrinating that you are talking about. Most of your classes are only 50 minutes long. Now, a professor may have a point of view regarding the material you may not agree with. That's just life. So, were the Conservative professors I had, and I am sure I had a few, trying to indoctrinate me. If they were, it sure didn't work and I didn't know it was happening. Educated people that actually know and understand the ins and outs of these institutions are just not going to fall for these boogeyman tactics.
Retard, I already addressed your lame excuse.
I understand that you will refuse to believe it exists until you see a link to a syllabus that explicitly says they grade different for conservatives. And we both know that won't happen. We also all understand that you ignore any explanation you don't like. (So open minded of you.)
You are the type of person I was referring to in the later part too.
For example, you'll claim to be a graduate of USC and consider it "proven" simply because you say so in a post. But other posters dont get that same consideration. Odd.
Suddenly, your burden of proof is higher if it doesnt fit your agenda. Color me so surprised. I understand you dont have the testicular fortitude to admit what is going on.
Now go whine and cry that I'm "stalking" you while you are the one replying to my posts. Let me guess, you didnt realize who it was you were responding to? Right?
Guess you "wont have time" soon, right retard?
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