MHSAA listens to me, passes multiplier for private schools

615dawg

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Effective next cycle (2027-28), 1.5x enrollment multiplier. Its fair. A school like PCS will go from 3A to 4A. Schools like Prep/JA/MRA/Hartfield would be 6A.

I wonder if we are about to have a mass exodus from the MAIS. Rumors be circulating.
 

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Effective next cycle (2027-28), 1.5x enrollment multiplier. Its fair. A school like PCS will go from 3A to 4A. Schools like Prep/JA/MRA/Hartfield would be 6A.

I wonder if we are about to have a mass exodus from the MAIS. Rumors be circulating.
There is no "fair" multiplier. Schools that recruit need a higher multiplier. Private schools that are in or near decent school districts and pick up a lot of borderline athletes from the public schools that come for playing time need a multiplier (probably not 1.5?). Schools that are just serving as the only decent option in their area do not need a multiplier if they don't recruit. Hell, they might need a multiplier that's less than one.
 

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Effective next cycle (2027-28), 1.5x enrollment multiplier. Its fair. A school like PCS will go from 3A to 4A. Schools like Prep/JA/MRA/Hartfield would be 6A.

I wonder if we are about to have a mass exodus from the MAIS. Rumors be circulating.
It's more likely aimed at trying to get the few private schools left in the MHSAA to leave. We can only hope.
Have to agree with the mask-wielding enunciator here. I don't think this is to entice MAIS teams. 1.5 is pretty high, nationally (I think). I think TN is 1.8 but they've had lots of problems too.

That said, it SHOULD be to unite the state, and entice the Big 4 MAIS, and any others willing, to play public. But you see, the Big 4 doesn't want to play public. So there's friction on both sides.

But truth be known I think this is pretty dang fair. The MAIS won't see it this way, though, they'll complain.
 

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Jackson schools would likely be 4A. Maybe some push to 5a. This would do the opposite. It would push privates to the mais
 

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Effective next cycle (2027-28), 1.5x enrollment multiplier. Its fair. A school like PCS will go from 3A to 4A. Schools like Prep/JA/MRA/Hartfield would be 6A.

I wonder if we are about to have a mass exodus from the MAIS. Rumors be circulating.
I wonder if this will make the Catholic schools possibly return.
 
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If they have the multiplier plus the out of state and 20 mile radius rule - I could see the private schools leaving.

if it’s only the multiplier - I think it’s the best solution for all.
 
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Effective next cycle (2027-28), 1.5x enrollment multiplier. Its fair. A school like PCS will go from 3A to 4A. Schools like Prep/JA/MRA/Hartfield would be 6A.

I wonder if we are about to have a mass exodus from the MAIS. Rumors be circulating.
What would Hillcrest be?
 

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If you force a multiplier on a private school you are basically telling them to recruit. That seems counterproductive.
 

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If you force a multiplier on a private school you are basically telling them to recruit. That seems counterproductive.
This is ultimately why all this shlt can’t co-exist. I wish it could but it can’t.

Private schools may just have to start traveling more, and having interstate championship playoffs. MAIS could team up with AL, who is now separate from public.

Over time, I think private school wins out. Public will survive, but it’ll get worse and worse.
 
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At some point, the MPSA/MAIS/segregation academies should focus on academics as initially intended.* In 2026, I’m (speaking for myself) paying for my children to get a top quality education, a nurturing environment, and supportive community. I’m paying to remove them from the culture of the apparent majority. I’m paying to keep them within the realm of like-minded taxpayers that believe in accountability, zero entitlement, and law/order.

I could give a flying f&$k if they can play basketball, run a 5:30 mile, or win championships with the other 3 legitimate schools in contention. I pay for homogeneous thought. Provide it or segregation continues with zero emphasis on race and 100% on raisin’.
 

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At some point, the MPSA/MAIS/segregation academies should focus on academics as initially intended.* In 2026, I’m (speaking for myself) paying for my children to get a top quality education, a nurturing environment, and supportive community. I’m paying to remove them from the culture of the apparent majority. I’m paying to keep them within the realm of like-minded taxpayers that believe in accountability, zero entitlement, and law/order.

I could give a flying f&$k if they can play basketball, run a 5:30 mile, or win championships with the other 3 legitimate schools in contention. I pay for homogeneous thought. Provide it or segregation continues with zero emphasis on race and 100% on raisin’.
Well you can always start them off that way, if you’re willing to pay. If your kid is an elite athlete, they will be found and have numerous opportunities at many schools.

That’s what so many parents don’t realize. If your kid is good you don’t have to debate it.
 
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If you force a multiplier on a private school you are basically telling them to recruit. That seems counterproductive.
...but not having a multiplier doesn't keep them from recruiting.
I guess it could be viewed as a chicken or egg situation, but I really don’t think it is one.
In this scenario, recruiting clearly came first.
 
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They could go the route of what they do in Tennessee. They all play under the umbrella of TSSAA but public and private have distinct divisions but can of course still play each other. It’s still in a sense separate but all under the same governing body.
 

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They could go the route of what they do in Tennessee. They all play under the umbrella of TSSAA but public and private have distinct divisions but can of course still play each other. It’s still in a sense separate but all under the same governing body.
What does it matter who the governing body is? Problem still isn't solved, and the problem is how to district and determine a champion.

Alabama just split, after allowing privates to play public for years and years. Privates were winning too much.

They are just going to have to be separate, as far as their districts and playoffs. They can be under the same governing body with different districts, or 2 completely different ones. But it's obvious this thing just can't work.

Georgia has a few privates in ATL that play public but they have a crazy multiplier, like 3. I believe they are all Catholic. That's about the only way to make it feasible for everyone.
 

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...but not having a multiplier doesn't keep them from recruiting.
I guess it could be viewed as a chicken or egg situation, but I really don’t think it is one.
In this scenario, recruiting clearly came first.
I think you just have to regroup every few years based on a rolling average of performance. Private schools that consistently recruit will get pushed above their size. Private schools that don't will not. You could do it for all schools (although that would occasionally screw smaller schools that just have a good stretch of athletes) or you could do it just for private schools, although that would effectively push some public schools up or down to make room for private schools.

Of course this ignores that public schools recruit too. It's not hard to give a parent a job and set them up in an in district apartment for most schools. No clue how prevalent it is because it's so easy to hide when there is not $7k to $18k of tuition you have to wonder about how they are paying it.
 

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At some point, the MPSA/MAIS/segregation academies should focus on academics as initially intended.* In 2026, I’m (speaking for myself) paying for my children to get a top quality education, a nurturing environment, and supportive community. I’m paying to remove them from the culture of the apparent majority. I’m paying to keep them within the realm of like-minded taxpayers that believe in accountability, zero entitlement, and law/order.

I could give a flying f&$k if they can play basketball, run a 5:30 mile, or win championships with the other 3 legitimate schools in contention. I pay for homogeneous thought. Provide it or segregation continues with zero emphasis on race and 100% on raisin’.
That's what shocks me about the situation at JA. You've got parents that might be paying $48k a year for three kids in jr. High and High school largely to get them away from the issues of Jackson public schools, and then not only do you go out of your way to import burglars, you pay them to come there? Just wild to me that you didn't have parents camped out at the school after that.
 

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Adding to this with some direct knowledge..... MHSAA does not want the private schools, and it isn't just about the multiplier. I know of several private schools that have looked to jump and would be fine with a multiplier (previously 1.3). In every case, MHSAA told them they would be in the least desirable district you could imagine and clearly intentional.
Also, yes some of the private schools recruit but it isn't nearly as common as most make it out to be. Most private schools have been playing a public school team in football every year for the past several and I will bet you the private schools have won 75% of those games.
 
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Adding to this with some direct knowledge..... MHSAA does not want the private schools, and it isn't just about the multiplier. I know of several private schools that have looked to jump and would be fine with a multiplier (previously 1.3). In every case, MHSAA told them they would be in the least desirable district you could imagine and clearly intentional.
Also, yes some of the private schools recruit but it isn't nearly as common as most make it out to be. Most private schools have been playing a public school team in football every year for the past several and I will be you the private schools have won 75% of those games.
Yeah I think PCS was banking on the Mendenhall, Magee, Seminary district and ended up with the coast.
 
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The private schools are not welcome in the MHSAA. It has everything to do with athletes being poached out of public schools they have attended for years. Public schools have to live with who lives in their district.
 

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Adding to this with some direct knowledge..... MHSAA does not want the private schools, and it isn't just about the multiplier. I know of several private schools that have looked to jump and would be fine with a multiplier (previously 1.3). In every case, MHSAA told them they would be in the least desirable district you could imagine and clearly intentional.
Also, yes some of the private schools recruit but it isn't nearly as common as most make it out to be.
Yea, as far as I know, it historically was basically just MRA doing it with any real consistency. You'd occasionally have a coach that went out for players, but you didn't have boosters that were consistently willing to pay other people's tuition. You might have one here or there pay for a kids friend/teammate outside of school sports, but if anyone was doing it consistently, they weren't making enough of a difference for people outside of their local area to know about it. Even now, I'm not sure it's happening much outside of MRA, JA, and I guess Hartfield. OTher than those, I think the recruiting is more "wooing". Coaches and parents making them feel welcome and wanted, but not actually throwing money at them.
Most private schools have been playing a public school team in football every year for the past several and I will be you the private schools have won 75% of those games.
Yea, I think the public v private cuts both ways in competition. Public schools are generally going to have access to better athletes if the private school isn't recruiting, but the private schools aren't going to lose very many good athletes because of poor home environments like a lot of (most?) public schools do. I had a coach from a not poorly thought of school district tell me there was more raw talent walking through his halls whose home environment and upbringing left them unable/unwilling to do the minimum things required to play football (e.g., show up to practice even when they feel like it, not talk back to the coach, etc) than he had on his team. It surprised me because it wasn't JPS we were talking about, and I also thought playing football would be so desirable that even most of the roughest thugs would try to do it if they thought they could get playing time.
 
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Yea, as far as I know, it historically was basically just MRA doing it with any real consistency. You'd occasionally have a coach that went out for players, but you didn't have boosters that were consistently willing to pay other people's tuition. You might have one here or there pay for a kids friend/teammate outside of school sports, but if anyone was doing it consistently, they weren't making enough of a difference for people outside of their local area to know about it. Even now, I'm not sure it's happening much outside of MRA, JA, and I guess Hartfield. OTher than those, I think the recruiting is more "wooing". Coaches and parents making them feel welcome and wanted, but not actually throwing money at them.

Yea, I think the public v private cuts both ways in competition. Public schools are generally going to have access to better athletes if the private school isn't recruiting, but the private schools aren't going to lose very many good athletes because of poor home environments like a lot of (most?) public schools do. I had a coach from a not poorly thought of school district tell me there was more raw talent walking through his halls whose home environment and upbringing left them unable/unwilling to do the minimum things required to play football (e.g., show up to practice even when they feel like it, not talk back to the coach, etc) than he had on his team. It surprised me because it wasn't JPS we were talking about, and I also thought playing football would be so desirable that even most of the roughest thugs would try to do it if they thought they could get playing time.
The bottom portion is exactly what I have seen in the private vs public football games. The public school will have FAR better athletes, but the private plays MUCH better as a team.
 

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Public system is broken as far as sports. Too much consolidation around cities. Some states can handle a bunch of 6A/7A type schools because they have a lot of urban area but states like MS cannot. That's why you see the exponential graph, bunch of small schools and then only like 24 teams in 7A. Gonna be a travel ball tournament before long, maybe Brandon can finally win a title.

And I think this is the real reason you see consolidation. It's to pool resources in dying areas in the hopes of survival. It's not to cut administration. Maybe building costs or something. Turn a few 2A and 3A schools into a 5A or 6A then you may can attract more staff and maybe get things turned around, get more tax money, etc.

If I'm JPS I think about consolidating in hopes of putting together some type of championship level program to inject something, anything, into the city to give some hope. Every one of those schools is dying, crazy what can happen over 20-30 years.
 

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Public system is broken as far as sports. Too much consolidation around cities. Some states can handle a bunch of 6A/7A type schools because they have a lot of urban area but states like MS cannot. That's why you see the exponential graph, bunch of small schools and then only like 24 teams in 7A. Gonna be a travel ball tournament before long, maybe Brandon can finally win a title.

And I think this is the real reason you see consolidation. It's to pool resources in dying areas in the hopes of survival. It's not to cut administration. Maybe building costs or something. Turn a few 2A and 3A schools into a 5A or 6A then you may can attract more staff and maybe get things turned around, get more tax money, etc.

If I'm JPS I think about consolidating in hopes of putting together some type of championship level program to inject something, anything, into the city to give some hope. Every one of those schools is dying, crazy what can happen over 20-30 years.
The only thing wrong with the MHSAA system is too many private schools, and too many classes. We need to go back to 5.
 
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Well you can always start them off that way, if you’re willing to pay. If your kid is an elite athlete, they will be found and have numerous opportunities at many schools.

That’s what so many parents don’t realize. If your kid is good you don’t have to debate

That's what shocks me about the situation at JA. You've got parents that might be paying $48k a year for three kids in jr. High and High school largely to get them away from the issues of Jackson public schools, and then not only do you go out of your way to import burglars, you pay them to come there? Just wild to me that you didn't have parents camped out at the school after that.
Fear of retribution. That’s what the world has come to and no group is better for it.
 

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The only thing wrong with the MHSAA system is too many private schools, and too many classes. We need to go back to 5.
Nah, 7A would kill most of the 5As. Not 100% across the board so don’t give me the exception to the rule. But overall it’s not fair which is why they created 7A. The exponential curve on the graph is telling.

It’s a phenomena happening everywhere due to the exponential growth in city metro areas. Again, not as big of a problem in the ATL metro but a problem in MS.