OT: College enrollment and financial issues?

[Leonard23]

Northeastern's enrollment management strategy sends a bunch of frosh to both Oakland CA (old Mills College campus) and London UK. On the student's (read: parents') dime of course. Don't get to Boston until their sophomore year.

That is wild and seems to me to not create a cohesive environment. And people complain about RU being spread out.

A bunch of schools, like Case Western and NYU, also have you take your 1st semester or entire 1st year overseas. They do this to increase overall enrollment and they probably don't count those overseas students in US News data so they can take slightly lower grades/SATs and get full freight tuition.

 

[RUTGERS95]

A bunch of schools, like Case Western and NYU, also have you take your 1st semester or entire 1st year overseas. They do this to increase overall enrollment and they probably don't count those overseas students in US News data so they can take slightly lower grades/SATs and get full freight tuition.

FSU, A&M, Ped State, and many others have similar programs.

 

[e5fdny]

Northeastern's enrollment management strategy sends a bunch of frosh to both Oakland CA (old Mills College campus) and London UK. On the student's (read: parents') dime of course. Don't get to Boston until their sophomore year.

That is wild and seems to me to not create a cohesive environment. And people complain about RU being spread out.

A bunch of schools, like Case Western and NYU, also have you take your 1st semester or entire 1st year overseas. They do this to increase overall enrollment and they probably don't count those overseas students in US News data so they can take slightly lower grades/SATs and get full freight tuition.

FSU, A&M, Ped State, and many others have similar programs.

My nephew’s first semester as a freshman at Northeastern was spent in Dublin.

 

[RUTGERS95]

My nephew’s first semester as a freshman at Northeastern was spent in Dublin.

and from what I understand, unlike A&M, FSU etc, Northeastern doesn't guarantee Boston unless the grades and program warrant it. I could be wrong but thought I read that.

My buddy's kid is looking at them and Purdue for pharmacy (or something related to it). I can't really talk as my youngest has Miami as one of his schools but 95k/yr just does not sit well with me.

 

[ru66+]

agree with all of this (except Clemson as that is a tough degree to market) and Rutgers is far from a bargain for a state school. I'm paying the same for OOS at a different BIG school

we should offer every state valedictorian free ride (not all get this surprisingly)
we should offer in state (or reduced neighbor rate) to Eastern PA and the Burroughs
RU needs to really get more involved earlier as suggested and follow how Florida, Texas, Indiana, and some other states do it.

Even the onboarding experience for parents is so much better away from Rutgers. I'd also suggest Rutgers really needs to focus less on the diversity angle and more on the merit angle as it turns off a lot of families. Few will admit it publicly but privately it's a very real concern.

Diversity is a concern to who, you and some uninformed ,and the racists that live in a bubble. Even those kids living in wealthy suburbs have to live in the real world. My grandkids live in a very wealthy Bergen County town.They applied and are at RU or graduated there. They questioned the diversity issue before accepting ( the bubble effect) and I showed them the statistics of the Ivies ,NYU,etc. Guess what they made great friends and connections at RU,no matter the nationality or color. Grow up and enter the real world.

 

[ru66+]

How so? It just seems like Rutgers parents complain more or louder. I see the same issues with parent and student onboarding, scheduling, housing selection, etc. at tons of in-state and out of state schools, private and public. Those parents just don't cry about it as much or as loudly.

Yup, one of grandkids graduated PSU-- the same problems exist there.

 

[ru66+]

You're seeing NJ parent's run to BC & BU, both ahead of Rutgers. And Boston has an allure of it's own. That helps Northeastern, which rated lower than Rutgers. Vermont still has a lot (for it's size) of Jersey kids.

Vermont trys hard to keep parents away from all the social and crime issues in Burlington. I don't scare much but the drug problem there is scary.

 

[ru66+]

Nova kids are definitely not going to Rutgers (IMO it's a safety school for the rich Catholic school kids from North Jersey and Long Island who didn't get into any of the Ivies, ND, BC, or Georgetown).

It's what was called in the past the Abercromie and Fitch crowd, seems like all from the same cookie cutter.

 

[NotInRHouse]

A bunch of schools, like Case Western and NYU, also have you take your 1st semester or entire 1st year overseas. They do this to increase overall enrollment and they probably don't count those overseas students in US News data so they can take slightly lower grades/SATs and get full freight tuition.

Nuts. No wonder why this generation has a loneliness problem. How do you make consistent friends like that?

 

[mdk02]

Nuts. No wonder why this generation has a loneliness problem. How do you make consistent friends like that?

Solved to a large degree if it's the sophomore year as opposed to freshman year. Kids have been taking semesters abroad since the 60's but they return to familiar faces.

 

[RU206]

and from what I understand, unlike A&M, FSU etc, Northeastern doesn't guarantee Boston unless the grades and program warrant it. I could be wrong but thought I read that.

My buddy's kid is looking at them and Purdue for pharmacy (or something related to it). I can't really talk as my youngest has Miami as one of his schools but 95k/yr just does not sit well with me.

If your buddy’s kid wants to go to Pharmacy school for a 6 year PharmD, they should consider RU. The Rutgers Fellowship Program is the best in the country.

 

[Fat Koko]

agree with all of this (except Clemson as that is a tough degree to market) and Rutgers is far from a bargain for a state school. I'm paying the same for OOS at a different BIG school

we should offer every state valedictorian free ride (not all get this surprisingly)
we should offer in state (or reduced neighbor rate) to Eastern PA and the Burroughs
RU needs to really get more involved earlier as suggested and follow how Florida, Texas, Indiana, and some other states do it.

Even the onboarding experience for parents is so much better away from Rutgers. I'd also suggest Rutgers really needs to focus less on the diversity angle and more on the merit angle as it turns off a lot of families. Few will admit it publicly but privately it's a very real concern.

Offering valedictorians and salutatorians in the region significant merit aid, including free rides, would attract a new class of high quality students to Rutgers. Rutgers should throw itself open to 4* and 5* high school mathletes.

The "diversity angle" is an advantage for Rutgers. New Jersey's white population has been in free fall for decades (minus 1.5 million since 1970). The positive news is immigrants have poured in and these family generate a lot of bright college bound students and many attend Rutgers. California's flagship universities, Cal Berkeley and UCLA, enjoy a similar applicant pool and have been moving up the academic rankings for years.

Here is the historical academic ranking of NJ's public universities along with New York peer Stony Brook. I included Stony Brook because the Long Island valedictorian and salutatorian list came out last week and dozens are headed to Stony Brook; none to Rutgers.

I had a long conversation with a 30-year guidance counselor about why so many top Long Island students head to Stony Brook. Answer is these students are often accepted at Ivy League schools but Stony Brook is very strong in STEM fields (former math professor donated $500 million to the school for this recently) and Stony Brook is affordable for students not eligible for financial aid, so Stony Brook captures a surprising number of Long Island's brightest.

Rutgers is doing well but can do even better. Merit and diversity are not mutually exclusive. One Long Island high school announced 21 co-valedictorians (silly, I know). None are white.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Offering valedictorians and salutatorians in the region significant merit aid, including free rides, would attract a new class of high quality students to Rutgers. Rutgers should throw itself open to 4* and 5* high school mathletes.

The "diversity angle" is an advantage for Rutgers. New Jersey's white population has been in free fall for decades (minus 1.5 million since 1970). The positive news is immigrants have poured in and these family generate a lot of bright college bound students and many attend Rutgers. California's flagship universities, Cal Berkeley and UCLA, enjoy a similar applicant pool and have been moving up the academic rankings for years.

Here is the historical academic ranking of NJ's public universities along with New York peer Stony Brook. I included Stony Brook because the Long Island valedictorian and salutatorian list came out last week and dozens are headed to Stony Brook; none to Rutgers.

I had a long conversation with a 30-year guidance counselor about why so many top Long Island students head to Stony Brook. Answer is these students are often accepted at Ivy League schools but Stony Brook is very strong in STEM fields (former math professor donated $500 million to the school for this recently) and Stony Brook is affordable for students not eligible for financial aid, so Stony Brook captures a surprising number of Long Island's brightest.

Rutgers is doing well but can do even better. Merit and diversity are not mutually exclusive. One Long Island high school announced 21 co-valedictorians (silly, I know). None are white.

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yes, offering the vals etc, would be beneficial

dissagree on the diversity nonsense, Rutgers loses a lot focusing on that and turns off a lot of upper middle and upper class families. Rutgers needs to focus on highlighting it academics, research, jobs and not the pic of little Timmy of with 2 roommates, one Asian and one Black/Hispanic only the Black/Hispanic one is gay too or there is a reference to it somewhere. That's if they add a white male to the billboard, picture, article, etc.. People are tired of it and sends the wrong message. Academics, research, cost, jobs......nothing else needs to be highlighted.

The issue with the rankings is too many factors that don't influence the education. Rutgers academics have been stellar, far higher than the overall ranking, for decades.

 

[RUTGERS95]

If your buddy’s kid wants to go to Pharmacy school for a 6 year PharmD, they should consider RU. The Rutgers Fellowship Program is the best in the country.

it is very good, like many programs at Rutgers but the kid doesn't like Rutgers. We've both tried

 

[Fat Koko]

yes, offering the vals etc, would be beneficial

dissagree on the diversity nonsense, Rutgers loses a lot focusing on that and turns off a lot of upper middle and upper class families. Rutgers needs to focus on highlighting it academics, research, jobs and not the pic of little Timmy of with 2 roommates, one Asia and one Black only the Black one is gay. People are tired of it and sends the wrong message. Academics, research, cost, jobs......no more

I don't need historical rankings, I work in the real world and have an ability to spin data far better your average person. The issue with the rankings is too many factors that don't influence the education. Rutgers academics have been stellar, far higher than the overall ranking, for decades.

it is very good, like many programs at Rutgers but the kid doesn't like Rutgers. We've both tried

Rutgers is ethnically diverse because the state is ethnically diverse. Same situation in California with Berkeley and UCLA, which both entered the top 20 a few years ago and have stayed. These schools don't need to market diversity because they already have it.

Rutgers isn't overselling diversity. Go to the homepage, rutgers.edu. Mostly white people pictured.

I understand why Rutgers isn't a fit for everyone. I pitched it to my oldest kid. Mom and Dad went to Rutgers. When we stayed at Heldrich last summer and walked through the College Ave campus, he didn't like it - too urban. My niece, from Boston, went to college in Boston for a year, found it too woke, and now goes to Clemson.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Rutgers is ethnically diverse because the state is ethnically diverse. Same situation in California with Berkeley and UCLA, which both entered the top 20 a few years ago and have stayed. These schools don't need to market diversity because they already have it.

Rutgers isn't overselling diversity. Go to the homepage, rutgers.edu. Mostly white people pictured.

I understand why Rutgers isn't a fit for everyone. I pitched it to my oldest kid. Mom and Dad went to Rutgers. When we stayed at Heldrich last summer and walked through the College Ave campus, he didn't like it - too urban. My niece, from Boston, went to college in Boston for a year, found it too woke, and now goes to Clemson.

ok....lol.....ok,

I don't care, sweet scarlets not in my long-term future as neither kid had/has any interest in it and I'm mostly likely retiring full-time next year to Florida. I care less and less what happens here. My donations don't even go to Rutgers any longer. I'm just trying to give you what I see and hear amongst the myriad of parents and networks I interact with over a long period of time.

keep up the good fight, I enjoy the back and forth. I will get back to being pi$$y on how anyone can still support Greg lol

 

[RUAldo]

Nuts. No wonder why this generation has a loneliness problem. How do you make consistent friends like that?

Don’t forget all the online classes students are now taking from the comfort of their dorm rooms. Which makes no f’in sense to me as in-class learning without phones in their hands and regular social interaction outside circle of friends is exactly what kids need these days.

 

[mdk02]

Offering valedictorians and salutatorians in the region significant merit aid, including free rides, would attract a new class of high quality students to Rutgers. Rutgers should throw itself open to 4* and 5* high school mathletes.

The "diversity angle" is an advantage for Rutgers. New Jersey's white population has been in free fall for decades (minus 1.5 million since 1970). The positive news is immigrants have poured in and these family generate a lot of bright college bound students and many attend Rutgers. California's flagship universities, Cal Berkeley and UCLA, enjoy a similar applicant pool and have been moving up the academic rankings for years.

Here is the historical academic ranking of NJ's public universities along with New York peer Stony Brook. I included Stony Brook because the Long Island valedictorian and salutatorian list came out last week and dozens are headed to Stony Brook; none to Rutgers.

I had a long conversation with a 30-year guidance counselor about why so many top Long Island students head to Stony Brook. Answer is these students are often accepted at Ivy League schools but Stony Brook is very strong in STEM fields (former math professor donated $500 million to the school for this recently) and Stony Brook is affordable for students not eligible for financial aid, so Stony Brook captures a surprising number of Long Island's brightest.

Rutgers is doing well but can do even better. Merit and diversity are not mutually exclusive. One Long Island high school announced 21 co-valedictorians (silly, I know). None are white.

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Rutgers should be offering those Long Island co-valedictorians a package that includes their NY in-state tuition etc. Is it?

 

[RUschool]

When you look at the demographics of Clemson, Univ of Miami, and Florida University, and Rutgers the Hispanics demographic, 18-25%,is similar in all these colleges with Rutgers being on the low side. The same can be said about the black population, 7-9, for all these collages. The only difference is the Asians population where Rutgers is 34% and the rest are closer to 3-10%. The white population is closer to 50% for the Southern schools while Rutgers is closer to 30%. I don’t think Asians are being given preferential treatment. At Harvard, when they struck down Affirmative Action , the Asians % increased from 29% to 41% and white % stayed the same while blacks and Hispanic went down. Most Ivy League schools Asian % are between 35-45% even though the Asian % of the US population is closer to 7%.

 

[RUschool]

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[NotInRHouse]

Solved to a large degree if it's the sophomore year as opposed to freshman year. Kids have been taking semesters abroad since the 60's but they return to familiar faces.

That's one thing. People here are saying it's freshmen. If that's true it's very different.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Don’t forget all the online classes students are now taking from the comfort of their dorm rooms. Which makes no f’in sense to me as in-class learning without phones in their hands and regular social interaction outside circle of friends is exactly what kids need these days.

At least if they're in the dorm, they're interacting. Most of my friends from college are from the dorm, not my classes.

 

[NotInRHouse]

yes, offering the vals etc, would be beneficial

dissagree on the diversity nonsense, Rutgers loses a lot focusing on that and turns off a lot of upper middle and upper class families. Rutgers needs to focus on highlighting it academics, research, jobs and not the pic of little Timmy of with 2 roommates, one Asian and one Black/Hispanic only the Black/Hispanic one is gay too or there is a reference to it somewhere. That's if they add a white male to the billboard, picture, article, etc.. People are tired of it and sends the wrong message. Academics, research, cost, jobs......nothing else needs to be highlighted.

The issue with the rankings is too many factors that don't influence the education. Rutgers academics have been stellar, far higher than the overall ranking, for decades.

For laughs I went to the page for U of TX which is a much more conservative state but a less white one. On the homepage in terms of students, all are women, one has short hair. Another is Asian.

NJ is about 50% white. If you're talking HS seniors it's likely a much lower percentage than that.

A state school should look like the best and brightest in the state. There is no doubt that is what RU looks like.

NJ parents who steer their kids away from RU do so because 1) they have a NJ self loathing complex 2) they are opposed to the diversity at RU whether it's in a brochure or not, but more than anything I'd say what triggers them is the ECONOMIC diversity. We live in a state where you can drive a half mile and go from very rich to very poor in a snap and many wealthy people have designed their lives around making sure their kids are not exposed to that.

As the economic shape of the country changes, people who considered themselves upper middle class are now realizing that private schools are either too unaffordable or that the juice was just not worth the squeeze. When I was in college, someone from say, Holmdel may have sneered at RU. Now that's what they afford, maybe someone in Rumson can still sneer. Maybe. The cost of college has far outpaced wages.

And as that has happened RU has gotten way harder to get into. Now those people that may have sneered are now like "crap little Brad and Chad are going to have to go to Montclair (much more economic diversity!) so let's spring for University of Tampa!"

This is opposed to many other states where you have a handful of wealthy suburbs and the culture of supporting state schools is much more ingrained. Because NJ is taking in more transplants who don't have weird self loathing complexes and who come from places where all kinds of diversity is acceptable, merged with the economic situation, RU is in pole position versus a lot of other state schools.

 

[NotInRHouse]

When you look at the demographics of Clemson, Univ of Miami, and Florida University, and Rutgers the Hispanics demographic, 18-25%,is similar in all these colleges with Rutgers being on the low side. The same can be said about the black population, 7-9, for all these collages. The only difference is the Asians population where Rutgers is 34% and the rest are closer to 3-10%. The white population is closer to 50% for the Southern schools while Rutgers is closer to 30%. I don’t think Asians are being given preferential treatment. At Harvard, when they struck down Affirmative Action , the Asians % increased from 29% to 41% and white % stayed the same while blacks and Hispanic went down. Most Ivy League schools Asian % are between 35-45% even though the Asian % of the US population is closer to 7%.

This is a result of NJ, especially the areas close to RU, have a large Asian population.

Also at least when I was in school I knew a good number of Asian students who came to RU OOS. My guess is they know the community will be stronger and more welcoming versus their home states. Same for Jewish students, we have the largest or second largest Jewish population of any school in the country.

Also my experience that many Asian families are not interested in the NJ Shop Rite line game of "look what I pay for college!!!" They join most of the people here in laughing at parents paying OOS freight for lower ranked colleges. The town I grew up in became more Asian as I was in HS and my mom who doesn't know much about colleges told me how the fact that Asian parents respected and liked RU was a good sign about it. She trusted them over the Shop Rite line, thankfully.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

This is a result of NJ, especially the areas close to RU, have a large Asian population.

Also at least when I was in school I knew a good number of Asian students who came to RU OOS. My guess is they know the community will be stronger and more welcoming versus their home states. Same for Jewish students, we have the largest or second largest Jewish population of any school in the country.

Also my experience that many Asian families are not interested in the NJ Shop Rite line game of "look what I pay for college!!!" They join most of the people here in laughing at parents paying OOS freight for lower ranked colleges. The town I grew up in became more Asian as I was in HS and my mom who doesn't know much about colleges told me how the fact that Asian parents respected and liked RU was a good sign about it. She trusted them over the Shop Rite line, thankfully.

You know there’s a world where being beholden to the rankings (which we all know are relatively subjective and regularly gamed) is just as laughable as what you claim about the shop rite crowd, right? Rutgers is too close to home for many people. Especially those who go to bigger Nj high schools, it’s like a continuation of that. There’s really nothing wrong with going to an out of state school for a different experience.

 

[bigmatt718]

For laughs I went to the page for U of TX which is a much more conservative state but a less white one. On the homepage in terms of students, all are women, one has short hair. Another is Asian.

NJ is about 50% white. If you're talking HS seniors it's likely a much lower percentage than that.

A state school should look like the best and brightest in the state. There is no doubt that is what RU looks like.

NJ parents who steer their kids away from RU do so because 1) they have a NJ self loathing complex 2) they are opposed to the diversity at RU whether it's in a brochure or not, but more than anything I'd say what triggers them is the ECONOMIC diversity. We live in a state where you can drive a half mile and go from very rich to very poor in a snap and many wealthy people have designed their lives around making sure their kids are not exposed to that.

As the economic shape of the country changes, people who considered themselves upper middle class are now realizing that private schools are either too unaffordable or that the juice was just not worth the squeeze. When I was in college, someone from say, Holmdel may have sneered at RU. Now that's what they afford, maybe someone in Rumson can still sneer. Maybe. The cost of college has far outpaced wages.

And as that has happened RU has gotten way harder to get into. Now those people that may have sneered are now like "crap little Brad and Chad are going to have to go to Montclair (much more economic diversity!) so let's spring for University of Tampa!"

This is opposed to many other states where you have a handful of wealthy suburbs and the culture of supporting state schools is much more ingrained. Because NJ is taking in more transplants who don't have weird self loathing complexes and who come from places where all kinds of diversity is acceptable, merged with the economic situation, RU is in pole position versus a lot of other state schools.

The self loathing many NJ residents have isn't discussed nearly enough. Many people from this state wish they lived in NYC or Westchester County or the Main Line in PA in terms of South Jersey.

And yes, many folks that took RU-NB for granted, treating RU-NB as a de facto safety school say, 15 to 20 years ago, are left scrambling as RU-NB has gotten significantly more challenging to get accepted to as acceptance rates have dropped into the 30s. At that point, many NJ families who are keeping up with the Joneses are like, "Oh crap, now we have to send our kids to Rowan or Montclair State. What will the neighbors think? I know!! We'll send our kids to a severely overpriced school out of state to save face!!"

 

[mdk02]

Same for Jewish students, we have the largest or second largest Jewish population of any school in the country.

Number but not percentage. Boston University, George Washington. Tulane and Cornell, among others, have a larger percentage

 

[mdk02]

The self loathing many NJ residents have isn't discussed nearly enough. Many people from this state wish they lived in NYC or Westchester County or the Main Line in PA in terms of South Jersey.

And yes, many folks that took RU-NB for granted, treating RU-NB as a de facto safety school say, 15 to 20 years ago, are left scrambling as RU-NB has gotten significantly more challenging to get accepted to as acceptance rates have dropped into the 30s. At that point, many NJ families who are keeping up with the Joneses are like, "Oh crap, now we have to send our kids to Rowan or Montclair State. What will the neighbors think? I know!! We'll send our kids to a severely overpriced school out of state to save face!!"

Agree on the self-loathing but not too many Bergen County residents are pining for Westchester.

 

[RUschool]

This is a result of NJ, especially the areas close to RU, have a large Asian population.

Also at least when I was in school I knew a good number of Asian students who came to RU OOS. My guess is they know the community will be stronger and more welcoming versus their home states. Same for Jewish students, we have the largest or second largest Jewish population of any school in the country.

Also my experience that many Asian families are not interested in the NJ Shop Rite line game of "look what I pay for college!!!" They join most of the people here in laughing at parents paying OOS freight for lower ranked colleges. The town I grew up in became more Asian as I was in HS and my mom who doesn't know much about colleges told me how the fact that Asian parents respected and liked RU was a good sign about it. She trusted them over the Shop Rite line, thankfully.

The Asian families I know care about which colleges their kids go to. It’s either Ivy leagues schools, MIT, Carnegie Mellon or their fall back school Rutgers. They don’t want to overpay for Villanova, Virginia, North Carolina, or Boston College all the next tier schools.

 

[T2Kplus20]

If your buddy’s kid wants to go to Pharmacy school for a 6 year PharmD, they should consider RU. The Rutgers Fellowship Program is the best in the country.

Very true. I've recruited and employed tons of RU PharmaD's via this program for the past 8 or 9 years (for my companies). Outstanding talent.

 

[RUTGERS95]

The self loathing many NJ residents have isn't discussed nearly enough. Many people from this state wish they lived in NYC or Westchester County or the Main Line in PA in terms of South Jersey.

And yes, many folks that took RU-NB for granted, treating RU-NB as a de facto safety school say, 15 to 20 years ago, are left scrambling as RU-NB has gotten significantly more challenging to get accepted to as acceptance rates have dropped into the 30s. At that point, many NJ families who are keeping up with the Joneses are like, "Oh crap, now we have to send our kids to Rowan or Montclair State. What will the neighbors think? I know!! We'll send our kids to a severely overpriced school out of state to save face!!"

Huh? Rutgers was never safety school at least not to the tune of a osu, ped state, clemson etc etc.. not following you here

 

[Anon1754923206]

Rutgers a safety school? In what universe?

 

[NotInRHouse]

You know there’s a world where being beholden to the rankings (which we all know are relatively subjective and regularly gamed) is just as laughable as what you claim about the shop rite crowd, right? Rutgers is too close to home for many people. Especially those who go to bigger Nj high schools, it’s like a continuation of that. There’s really nothing wrong with going to an out of state school for a different experience.

Don't you live in CA?

Few there are like...you know what...UCSD or Irvine or UCLA or Berkeley is too close to home (and the latter two are way closer to the main population centers than RU is)...so let me run to Clemson. It would be a gigantic joke.

This a NJ phenomenon. Maybe LI and Westchester too. It doesn't happen other places, and even ones like CA which is probably the one place with more money to waste.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Number but not percentage. Boston University, George Washington. Tulane and Cornell, among others, have a larger percentage

I mean I'd imagine Yeshiva is #1 in percentage lol.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Huh? Rutgers was never safety school at least not to the tune of a osu, ped state, clemson etc etc.. not following you here

Not to put words in his mouth, I think that was the perception of boomer parents raising millennial kids. That it was a backup for more prestigious schools.

Or maybe to really dopey parents who thought they were doing something big by paying for Cult instead, even though Rutgers College was much harder to get into...and now is much, much harder.

It was an inaccurate perception. But nonetheless a perception.

Now it's more like our daughter needs a Southern sorority or a pool to post TikToks at so even the Cult is out. It's Southern Schools and it's not UF or Emory or Vandy but rather Univ of Tampa or Coastal Carolina. Somehow it got dumber.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Not to put words in his mouth, I think that was the perception of boomer parents raising millennial kids. That it was a backup for more prestigious schools.

Or maybe to really dopey parents who thought they were doing something big by paying for Cult instead, even though Rutgers College was much harder to get into...and now is much, much harder.

It was an inaccurate perception. But nonetheless a perception.

Now it's more like our daughter needs a Southern sorority or a pool to post TikToks at so even the Cult is out. It's Southern Schools and it's not UF or Emory or Vandy but rather Univ of Tampa or Coastal Carolina. Somehow it got dumber.

you may be right

I just remember everyone had a very good view of Rutgers and OSU, PSU, and many others were laughed at. Clemson was one of those, 'what are you dumb' type discussions lol

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Don't you live in CA?

Few there are like...you know what...UCSD or Irvine or UCLA or Berkeley is too close to home (and the latter two are way closer to the main population centers than RU is)...so let me run to Clemson. It would be a gigantic joke.

This a NJ phenomenon. Maybe LI and Westchester too. It doesn't happen other places, and even ones like CA which is probably the one place with more money to waste.

I live 30 minutes from UCSD and my daughter won’t consider it because it’s too close. Not that uncommon amongst her peers either. I’ve seen older friends choose Alabama, Arizona, Mizzou, etc. that were accepted to UCSD and Irvine. Luckily there’s other state schools further away to choose from. I’m not sure what the comparable would be to Clemson, but if she wanted to go somewhere else I’d support it and we don’t have shop rite’s here for me to brag in so that wouldn’t be the reason.

 

[bigmatt718]

Not to put words in his mouth, I think that was the perception of boomer parents raising millennial kids. That it was a backup for more prestigious schools.

Or maybe to really dopey parents who thought they were doing something big by paying for Cult instead, even though Rutgers College was much harder to get into...and now is much, much harder.

It was an inaccurate perception. But nonetheless a perception.

Now it's more like our daughter needs a Southern sorority or a pool to post TikToks at so even the Cult is out. It's Southern Schools and it's not UF or Emory or Vandy but rather Univ of Tampa or Coastal Carolina. Somehow it got dumber.

Lol U of Tampa got confusingly popular with NJ kids lately. Kingsway in South Jersey has a bunch of kids going there and I'm just at a loss as to figuring out why. Overpriced, not academically a standout, no major level sports like some of the SEC schools, etc. At least if they went to USF I could semi rationalize it as they are solid academically in the same city.

 

[RUschool]

Lol U of Tampa got confusingly popular with NJ kids lately. Kingsway in South Jersey has a bunch of kids going there and I'm just at a loss as to figuring out why. Overpriced, not academically a standout, no major level sports like some of the SEC schools, etc. At least if they went to USF I could semi rationalize it as they are solid academically in the same city.

One of Teresa Guidace kid from the Housewife of NJ is going to U of Tampa but she has one that attended Rutgers NB. Maybe to be closer to her father who was deported and now lives in the Bahamas.

 

[mdk02]

I live 30 minutes from UCSD and my daughter won’t consider it because it’s too close. Not that uncommon amongst her peers either. I’ve seen older friends choose Alabama, Arizona, Mizzou, etc. that were accepted to UCSD and Irvine. Luckily there’s other state schools further away to choose from. I’m not sure what the comparable would be to Clemson, but if she wanted to go somewhere else I’d support it and we don’t have shop rite’s here for me to brag in so that wouldn’t be the reason.

Is UCLA also too close? Seems to me there are a number of choices that would not involve out-of-state tuition and would be as good or better academically than those schools you've listed.