EARLY 2026-27 lineup projections/discussions

[Joejitsu]

TEAM A

TEAM B

VTECH

VTECH vs TEAM B​

125 Luke Lillidahl

Brandon Weaver

Eddie Ventresca

0-5 VTech​

133 M Ono

N Desmond

Aaron Seidel

0-8 ​

141 Marcus Blaze

Braden Scooter Davis

Cooper Flynn

3-8​

149 Shane Van Ness

Dalton Perry (herring or Pierce)

Bo Bassett

3-13​

---

157Tyler Kasak

Joe Sealy

Caleb Henson

3-16​

---

165 PJ Duke

Jayden James

Ethen Miller / Colin Gaj

6-16​

---

174 Mitchell Messenbrink

Will Henckel

Gage Wright

9-16​

---

184 Rocco Welcsh

Ashur Cunningham

Jaden bullock

12-16​

197 Josh Barr

Connor Marisola

Sonny Sasso

15-16​

---

HVY Connor Mirasola

Cole Mirasola

Jimmy Mullen

18-16- PSU​

TEAM B has 6- 8 potential AAs that is crazy
TEAM A has a potential finalist at every position other that HVY but an AA at every weight!
I really think TEAM B beats a very good / hyped VTech them this year. (albeit that is just a guess at VTechs lineup for this season)
TEAM A would have a legit shot at shutting VTech out with Seidel, Bassett, Henson, and Mullen having chances to break the shut out
but Ono, PJ, Mitch, Rocco, and Barr would all be looking to bonus!

​

 

[Matter7172]

so seyko thinks of Conner beats his brother he should still be the back up?what a loser

We've heard about "room familiarity", but these guys have "womb familiarity". Sorry. Couldn't resist.

 

[Nitlion1986]

We've heard about "room familiarity", but these guys have "womb familiarity". Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Just a smaller room.

 

[Efejle]

To get back to the original thread...

All the 5-FOR-5 talk is fine, but I do not think that it will be in place this year (or possibly, ever), so it is "business as usual", I would think.

With Redshirts still available, I think we likely look like this:

125- Lilledahl (Sidun coming in 2027)

133- Ono (Blaze RS to build to 141) (Burnett coming in 2027)

141- Desmond (Davis RS)

149- Van Ness (Herring RS) (Mangano and Shepherd coming in 2027)

157- Kasak (Duke RS)

165- Messenbrink (James RS)

174- Henckel

184- Welsh (Cunningham backs him up)

197- Barr

285- Mirasola or Mirasola

It's in place. No more redshirts.

 

[WV lion]

It's in place. No more redshirts.

I thought there was no vote at the last meeting to implement it.

 

[Corby2]

I thought there was no vote at the last meeting to implement it.

They didn't vote yet they meet again June 23-24

 

[KH1984]

It's in place. No more redshirts.

Personally, I HATE 5 for 5

I'd be on board for 5 for 4, though...Why wasn't that even considered?

It just seems to me that that would have been the most logical step from where we are currently. 5 for 5 bastardizes every record for all history

 

[BaccaFarmer]

so seyko thinks of Conner beats his brother he should still be the back up?what a loser

Run em both all season. Alternate. Let it shake out. This is better than one guy riding the pine.

 

[mjmirv]

Personally, I HATE 5 for 5

I'd be on board for 5 for 4, though...Why wasn't that even considered?

It just seems to me that that would have been the most logical step from where we are currently. 5 for 5 bastardizes every record for all history

I’m not saying I agree with it, but I think part of the logic is universities feel if they’re gonna pay all these expenses for five years, they might as well get five full years out of the players.

I personally would like it to stay 5 for 4, but implement the age 19 starting date. I’m so sick of seeing 26 year old college students. Heck our football team has a guy in his eighth year of college. It’s crazy.

 

[RockyChi]

Run em both all season. Alternate. Let it shake out. This is better than one guy riding the pine.

Seyko didn’t say that. But if there’s going to be a competition one guy has to be the starter, at least beginning with big ten schedule

 

[vhsalum]

Anyone feeling less optimistic after U23 that Henckel will be the best option at 174? Still think he’s very talented, but if you want to put the best possible lineup on the mat would he be a better option that Duke or MM? I know you’ll risk losing him but if redshirts are a thing of the past there will have to be some tough decisions.

Nah. He's the best 174 on your roster CURRENTLY.

It really depends on Duke/MM. If either want to go 174, they're taking the spot. I personally think MM moves up.

 

[PSU Mike]

Personally, I HATE 5 for 5

I'd be on board for 5 for 4, though...Why wasn't that even considered?

It just seems to me that that would have been the most logical step from where we are currently. 5 for 5 bastardizes every record for all history

Why should record history be a consideration?

 

[vhsalum]

Why should record history be a consideration?

I get what he's saying.

Completely changes the history of the sport. You would literally have to have a * next to every record. It would be weird.

But the argument that schools need to "get as much out of them as they can, since they're paying them" - goes right to the heart of why these institutions suck in general, and will continue to lose these court cases.

 

[PSU Mike]

I get what he's saying.

Completely changes the history of the sport. You would literally have to have a * next to every record. It would be weird.

But the argument that schools need to "get as much out of them as they can, since they're paying them" - goes right to the heart of why these institutions suck in general, and will continue to lose these court cases.

I get that there’s frustration around that, but I’d never let that tail wag the dog. Should we have always used a dead ball in baseball? What about the forward pass in football? Golf drivers still made of wood?

 

[vhsalum]

I get that there’s frustration around that, but I’d never let that tail wag the dog. Should we have always used a dead ball in baseball? What about the forward pass in football? Golf drivers still made of wood?

Yeah... that's not the argument. Those are advancements in individual sports.

This is no different than the 3 years of eligibility to 4. It's fundamentally different and will cause the 4 year era, to be just that. An era. Plus the argument for it just sucks.

 

[PSUPetch]

I’m not saying I agree with it, but I think part of the logic is universities feel if they’re gonna pay all these expenses for five years, they might as well get five full years out of the players.

I personally would like it to stay 5 for 4, but implement the age 19 starting date. I’m so sick of seeing 26 year old college students. Heck our football team has a guy in his eighth year of college. It’s crazy.

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[Nitlion1986]

Nah. He's the best 174 on your roster CURRENTLY.

It really depends on Duke/MM. If either want to go 174, they're taking the spot. I personally think MM moves up.

I think it is going to be Duke.

 

[Nitlion1986]

Personally, I HATE 5 for 5

I'd be on board for 5 for 4, though...Why wasn't that even considered?

It just seems to me that that would have been the most logical step from where we are currently. 5 for 5 bastardizes every record for all history

Yet, somehow without any issues college sports survived giving freshman eligibility.

 

[a_mshaffer]

Yet, somehow without any issues college sports survived giving freshman eligibility.

again

 

[HikeNatParks]

I’m so sick of seeing 26 year old college students.

Just grows appreciation of Levi, all of 21, college and 2 NC’s in the rearview, world opponents ahead. Yes, I’m still scratchy about 6 years older AOC’s win over our young hunter. Need an RAF rematch for closure.

 

[nerfstate]

Just grows appreciation of Levi, all of 21, college and 2 NC’s in the rearview, world opponents ahead. Yes, I’m still scratchy about 6 years older AOC’s win over our young hunter. Need an RAF rematch for closure.

Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. Let’s not go cesspool here though. There’s still time to recover from my poor impulse control!

 

[Dogwelder]

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

Unburdened by what has been I can only hope for what can be. I know, I know, different person : )

 

[backdrft76-1]

The last 30 minutes of the show Willie and Justin discuss PSU's upcoming lineup and roster battles.



VIDEO TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Start to the Show
03:00 - Pat Santoro Steps Down at Lehigh, Moves to PRTC
11:45 - AJ Ferrari Arrested Again
21:20 - World Cup
24:40 - Oklahoma State’s Lineup Roster Battles
51:45 - Penn State Lineup and Roster Battles

 

[tullfan68]

TEAM A

TEAM B

VTECH

VTECH vs TEAM B​

125 Luke Lillidahl

Brandon Weaver

Eddie Ventresca

0-5 VTech​

133 M Ono

N Desmond

Aaron Seidel

0-8 ​

141 Marcus Blaze

Braden Scooter Davis

Cooper Flynn

3-8​

149 Shane Van Ness

Dalton Perry (herring or Pierce)

Bo Bassett

3-13​

---

157Tyler Kasak

Joe Sealy

Caleb Henson

3-16​

---

165 PJ Duke

Jayden James

Ethen Miller / Colin Gaj

6-16​

---

174 Mitchell Messenbrink

Will Henckel

Gage Wright

9-16​

---

184 Rocco Welcsh

Ashur Cunningham

Jaden bullock

12-16​

197 Josh Barr

Connor Marisola

Sonny Sasso

15-16​

---

HVY Connor Mirasola

Cole Mirasola

Jimmy Mullen

18-16- PSU​

TEAM B has 6- 8 potential AAs that is crazy
TEAM A has a potential finalist at every position other that HVY but an AA at every weight!
I really think TEAM B beats a very good / hyped VTech them this year. (albeit that is just a guess at VTechs lineup for this season)
TEAM A would have a legit shot at shutting VTech out with Seidel, Bassett, Henson, and Mullen having chances to break the shut out
but Ono, PJ, Mitch, Rocco, and Barr would all be looking to bonus!

keep MM at 165 he will score more team points at the NCAA!​

 

[El_Jefe]

TEAM A

TEAM B

VTECH

VTECH vs TEAM B​

125 Luke Lillidahl

Brandon Weaver

Eddie Ventresca

0-5 VTech​

133 M Ono

N Desmond

Aaron Seidel

0-8 ​

141 Marcus Blaze

Braden Scooter Davis

Cooper Flynn

3-8​

149 Shane Van Ness

Dalton Perry (herring or Pierce)

Bo Bassett

3-13​

---

157Tyler Kasak

Joe Sealy

Caleb Henson

3-16​

---

165 PJ Duke

Jayden James

Ethen Miller / Colin Gaj

6-16​

---

174 Mitchell Messenbrink

Will Henckel

Gage Wright

9-16​

---

184 Rocco Welcsh

Ashur Cunningham

Jaden bullock

12-16​

197 Josh Barr

Connor Marisola

Sonny Sasso

15-16​

---

HVY Connor Mirasola

Cole Mirasola

Jimmy Mullen

18-16- PSU​

TEAM B has 6- 8 potential AAs that is crazy
TEAM A has a potential finalist at every position other that HVY but an AA at every weight!
I really think TEAM B beats a very good / hyped VTech them this year. (albeit that is just a guess at VTechs lineup for this season)
TEAM A would have a legit shot at shutting VTech out with Seidel, Bassett, Henson, and Mullen having chances to break the shut out
but Ono, PJ, Mitch, Rocco, and Barr would all be looking to bonus!

​

I'd expect Bassett, Henson, and Gaj all down a weight from this, with Flynn benched.

Also, Wright transferred to Tanning Bed U.

 

[Corby2]

I'd expect Bassett, Henson, and Gaj all down a weight from this, with Flynn benched.

Also, Wright transferred to Tanning Bed U.

Plug Miller in 2nd semester be shocked if that doesn't happen

 

[tullfan68]

Run em both all season. Alternate. Let it shake out. This is better than one guy riding the pine.

Conner is more aggressive on his feet!

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Was the Coaches push to eliminate minimum matches for a coaches' ranking a nod to the greater likelihood of load management/splitting weekend duals at competitive weights under 5 for 5?

(Sorry if this was already discussed)

 

[GregPickel]

Was the Coaches push to eliminate minimum matches for a coaches' ranking a nod to the greater likelihood of load management/splitting weekend duals at competitive weights under 5 for 5?

(Sorry if this was already discussed)

The committee’s minutes state the following for their rationale:

“The committee feels that removing the minimum number of matches necessary to be ranked after they have qualified for the NCAA championships will allow for a more accurate ranking.”

To answer your question, though: Probably.

 

[Goggles Paisano]

Anyone feeling less optimistic after U23 that Henckel will be the best option at 174? Still think he’s very talented, but if you want to put the best possible lineup on the mat would he be a better option that Duke or MM? I know you’ll risk losing him but if redshirts are a thing of the past there will have to be some tough decisions.

Levi ;-)

Just wait

 

[PSU Mike]

Did anybody else see the pics of PJ at a Sanderson Academy camp? It looks a bit like Levi when he jumped two weights. Maybe it’s just the clothes and season.

 

[KH1984]

Did anybody else see the pics of PJ at a Sanderson Academy camp? It looks a bit like Levi when he jumped two weights. Maybe it’s just the clothes and season.

I think he is definitely moving up (either to 165 or 174). He and Mitchell will man the 165 and 174 lb weight classes for us...just not sure which at which.

My best guess:

125 Lilledahl
133 Ono
141 Blaze
149 Van Ness
157 James (or Kasak)
165 Messenbrink
174 Duke
184 Welsh
197 Barr
285 Connor Mirasola

Pretty formidable!

 

[KH1984]

I think he is definitely moving up (either to 165 or 174). He and Mitchell will man the 165 and 174 lb weight classes for us...just not sure which at which.

My best guess:

125 Lilledahl
133 Ono
141 Blaze
149 Van Ness
157 James (or Kasak)
165 Messenbrink
174 Duke
184 Welsh
197 Barr
285 Connor Mirasola

Pretty formidable!

Heck...Our "theoretical" 2nd team would be a borderline trophy and assuredly top 10 team:

125 Wentzel
133 Desmond
141 Davis
149 Pierce
157 Kasak
165 Sealey
174 Henckel
184 Cunningham
197 Ellis
285 Cole Mirasola

 

[NittanyChris]

I think he is definitely moving up (either to 165 or 174). He and Mitchell will man the 165 and 174 lb weight classes for us...just not sure which at which.

My best guess:

125 Lilledahl
133 Ono
141 Blaze
149 Van Ness
157 James (or Kasak)
165 Messenbrink
174 Duke
184 Welsh
197 Barr
285 Connor Mirasola

Pretty formidable!

I think you're spot on with this lineup. James is a special talent who will force his way into the lineup. Ono will wrestle and him at 33 with Marcus at 41 appears to be the most likely configuration.

 

[Lil Nicky Scarfo]

I think he is definitely moving up (either to 165 or 174). He and Mitchell will man the 165 and 174 lb weight classes for us...just not sure which at which.

My best guess:

125 Lilledahl
133 Ono
141 Blaze
149 Van Ness
157 James (or Kasak)
165 Messenbrink
174 Duke
184 Welsh
197 Barr
285 Connor Mirasola

Pretty formidable!

Cael’s got to step it up. Too many lineup holes

 

[Nitlion1986]

Cael’s got to step it up. Too many lineup holes

Damn straight skippy. 2028 is when the roosters (Stillwater Cowboys via Happy Valley) come home to crow. Five finalists and 10 AAs just ain't getting it done any more. Okie St. 10 finalists and 20AAs, book it.

 

[RBOld]

I keep seeing that James is taking a gap year because he'd still have five years of eligibility left.

 

[LostInTransition]

I keep seeing that James is taking a gap year because he'd still have five years of eligibility left.

Others are seeing that he's already enrolled and on campus.

 

[PASLP2]