This 12-16-24 team playoff debate

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Eight is actually the right number. No byes .

I disagree. If you are going to have a TRUE playoff in college football you need to be able to represent all conferences. This is why I don't agree that a playoff is the right answer. Unless there can be a Playoffs League, so to speak, a playoff will never work. Go back to the original voting system, otherwise.
 

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I disagree. If you are going to have a TRUE playoff in college football you need to be able to represent all conferences. This is why I don't agree that a playoff is the right answer. Unless there can be a Playoffs League, so to speak, a playoff will never work. Go back to the original voting system, otherwise.
All conferences are represented in 8 . The BIG, SEC , ACC , BiG 12,with the Pac12 basically blown up .. What other conferences need to be represented?
 

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Wrong. That’s the most retarded idea if there ever was one.

Too much money to lose eliminating two games and whole bunch of teams won’t even get to play..
the first game of 48 and the second game of 24 teams, gets you back your 2 regular season games.. then you are left with 12.. sort of like what we have now.. it's just dropping all the silly bowl and conference championship language and calling the whole thing a playoff instead.. it's basically the same thing.

Now if you are TOO RETARDED to see that, then I can't help you.
 
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the first game of 48 and the second game of 24 teams, gets you back your 2 regular season games.. then you are left with 12.. sort of like what we have now.. it's just dropping all the silly bowl and conference championship language and calling the whole thing a playoff instead.. it's basically the same thing.

Now if you are TOO RETARDED to see that, then I can't help you.
1st off there is 134 Division1 football teams and do you think their going to give 2 regular season games away 🙄.

2nd, That’s 86 teams that will only get to play 10 games that’s retarded, because football is the cash cow for everyone‘s athletic programs in the country.

3rd, The 3rd week of your nincompoop idea has 12 teams left, the week after winners of 6 teams, who gets the byes with 6 teams left? your idea would take 6 weeks to determine the national championship.

Now what.
 
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1st off there is 134 Division1 football teams and do you think their going to give 2 regular season games away 🙄.

2nd, That’s 86 teams that will only get to play 10 games that’s retarded, because football is the cash cow for everyone‘s athletic programs in the country.

3rd, The 3rd week of your nincompoop idea has 12 teams left, the week after winners of 6 teams, who gets the byes with 6 teams left? your idea would take 6 weeks to determine the national championship.

Now what.
nobody gaf about teams #49-134.. do they even make money? or does having those 2 extra games actually cost them? the bottom of the barrel live off the non-conference payouts.

do you really think the days of getting athletes to play more games a season is going to fly? I don't.. there is already pushback via opt outs.. guys can't afford to get injured playing games that don't matter.

You don't need a longer season.. rather a shorter one, higher quality games, and yes a big playoff where coaches and AD's can at least make the playoffs as a bare minimum for success.

You can weave conference championships and bye weeks into this like it is currently done. You can have the top 4 teams have a bye week, so they aren't playing so many extra games too.

it's all a compromise, but I know I am wasting my time, because retardation, isn't something that can be fixed. So, I have pity on you.
 
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nobody gaf about teams #49-134..

do you really think the days of getting athletes to play more games a season is going to fly? I don't.. there is already pushback via opt outs.. guys can't afford to get injured playing games that don't matter. Only a few bowl games, Not during the regular season are they opting out.

You don't need a longer season.. rather a shorter one, higher quality games, and yes a big playoff where coaches and AD's can at least make the playoffs as a bare minimum for success. Teams still need bye weeks to recover, even the NFL has bye week

You can weave conference championships and bye weeks into this like it is currently done. You can have the top 4 teams have a bye week, so they aren't playing so many extra games too. They don’t want a CCG if they go to 24, only that still does is the SEC.

it's all a compromise, but I know I am wasting my time, because retardation, isn't something that can be fixed. So, I have pity on you. what compromise? Only one that is proposing this is the big retarded.
Take a hike.
 
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1st off there is 134 Division1 football teams and do you think their going to give 2 regular season games away 🙄.

You could solve this with some sort of supplemental tournament. Think NIT in basketball.

2nd, That’s 86 teams that will only get to play 10 games that’s retarded, because football is the cash cow for everyone‘s athletic programs in the country.

This isn't entirely true. Football is the cash cow for the top programs. Many teams operate at a loss or break even. That's why schools like UNO have had to drop it. Besides, see # 1 above.

3rd, The 3rd week of your nincompoop idea has 12 teams left, the week after winners of 6 teams, who gets the byes with 6 teams left? your idea would take 6 weeks to determine the national championship.

And? The NFL is 5 weeks. NBA is like 8 weeks. Also, byes are a non-issue. The top rated teams get them, like they do now.

Now what.

For the record, I'm not advocating for this format. AT ALL!! It's waaaaaaay too playoff heavy for my liking. Just pointing out that your logistical and financial reasons why it won't work are probably not a factor

Also for the record, I think you and @NikkiSixx are both retarded 😂

I kid, I kid (mostly)
 

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You could solve this with some sort of supplemental tournament. Think NIT in basketball.



This isn't entirely true. Football is the cash cow for the top programs. Many teams operate at a loss or break even. That's why schools like UNO have had to drop it. Besides, see # 1 above.



And? The NFL is 5 weeks. NBA is like 8 weeks. Also, byes are a non-issue. The top rated teams get them, like they do now.



For the record, I'm not advocating for this format. AT ALL!! It's waaaaaaay too playoff heavy for my liking. Just pointing out that your logistical and financial reasons why it won't work are probably not a factor

Also for the record, I think you and @NikkiSixx are both retarded 😂

I kid, I kid (mostly)
The man that can’t stand Rhule is in favor of 48 team CFP, now that’s rich.🤣

Name me schools in the FBS that loss‘s money in football?

UNO😂 was FCS.
 

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The man that can’t stand Rhule is in favor of 48 team CFP, now that’s rich.🤣

Name me schools in the FBS that loss‘s money in football?

UNO😂 was FCS.
UNO was never FSC they were D2 in everything when the dropped Football and Wrestling. Trev wanted to move to DI but he had to drop football and wrestling for financial reasons to move Basketball and Volleyball and baseball softball to DI they were already D1 in hockey..
 

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The man that can’t stand Rhule is in favor of 48 team CFP, now that’s rich.🤣

Name me schools in the FBS that loss‘s money in football?

UNO😂 was FCS.

Reading comprehension...how does it work? What part of "For the record, I'm not advocating for this format. AT ALL!!" did you not understand?

And according to the googles, it's most of them...

While a select group of wealthy programs generate significant revenue, a majority of Division I FBS football programs actually operate at a financial loss or carry staggering deficits. In the lower tier of the FBS, operating at a loss is the norm, with universities subsidizing their athletic departments using mandatory student fees and institutional funds.

And I don't know what UNO's division has to do with anything. Simply pointing out a close to home example of football programs operating at a loss.
 
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I dislike the 24-team playoff. As much as the money-grubbing NCAA dreams of it - We will not have Cinderella beating blue bloods like we have had in NCAA Basketball Tournament. We will have Georgia destroying Navy and thinking "Sweet! I love the playoffs." :unsure:

My second thought is "Am I watching a "playoff game" with North Texas, Navy, etc in it?" No.... But.... at the same time, I'm probably not watching their bowl game either. So, I can understand why they are doing this from that angle. The Bowls (especially mid and lower-tier) are dying.
Good thing teams like Appalachian State or James Madison (FCS at the time) or Old Dominion or Montana (FCS) or Jacksonville St or North Dakota St (FCS at the time) have zero chance of ever winning a game against a ranked Michigan, ranked Virginia Tech, ranked Washington, Florida State, or a ranked Iowa.

In fact, because upsets can never happen I would prefer we go back to the BCS system and only allow SEC winner vs SEC runner up most years.
 

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I feel like 12 already watered it down. Notre Dame lost to freaking Northern Illinois last year and they still made the playoff. Big upsets should cost them something. 4 was one of the better formats cause every game mattered to get in there.
An L ....and your ONLY L ......in WEEK 2.....should keep you out of the playoffs?

An 11-1 team with almost a 30pt margin of victory per game on the season that hadn't lost in almost 3 months and beat 4 ranked teams (33% of its schedule) should have been left out of a 12 team playoff? Stop it.

PS. Notre Dame lost to NIU 2 years ago.
 
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I hate the current playoff. Unless you are going to have somewhat equal conferences with equal chances to make the playoff, it doesn't work. And, I hate socialism. But, the NFL has this figured out. It's the only reason the league is competitive every year.
I agree with you. If the B1G/SEC are gonna find the fortitude to break away, that is the model they need to follow. B1G/SEC = AFC/NFC.
I'd imagine they'd poach another 15+ schools at minimum before they left. If they're at 34 now, I could see them poaching the other P4s and FBS to almost double their number.

If you had 64 schools, split that into 2 conferences of 32 schools. 4 divisions within each conference of 8 schools (likely geographically grouped). 16 team playoff. Seed them all 1-16 or split it like NFL and go B1G/SEC. Then your National Championship (Super Bowl) is played between B1G winner and SEC winner (NFC vs AFC).
 
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Good thing teams like Appalachian State or James Madison (FCS at the time) or Old Dominion or Montana (FCS) or Jacksonville St or North Dakota St (FCS at the time) have zero chance of ever winning a game against a ranked Michigan, ranked Virginia Tech, ranked Washington, Florida State, or a ranked Iowa.

In fact, because upsets can never happen I would prefer we go back to the BCS system and only allow SEC winner vs SEC runner up most years.

Correct me if I’m wrong but you named one team who beat a top 10 team. And that was almost 20 years ago. Pretty thin.

I did not say they cannot ever beat a ranked team. James Madison beating Washington State is not exactly a badge of honor now that WSU is in no one’s land, is bleeding players and coaches and has no conference affiliation.

College basketball has hundreds of these upsets while you list one team who beat a top 10 college football team. And this is because a grand total of one FCS team has ever beat a top 10 team

I should restate my original post and acknowledge my wording was too strong. It’s not that they will never do it, it’s that fans, hoping for Cinderella in the Football world will be severely disappointed if they expect anything similar to basketball. Just my opinion.
 

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Going to 24 teams is going to ruin the beauty of every Saturday matters and water down the importance of regular season.

Big argument for the SEC is how much $$$ their going to lose out on not having CCG were they make a lot of money having that game more than any other conference which most likely will end CCG going to 24.

I think it’s just fine with 12 but my complaint is getting the best 12 teams in the CFP, which brings me too why not 16 teams if your adding James Madison Tulane type teams ? But I heard if the SEC can’t have 16 team CFP they want to keep it at 12.

Adding teams that DEI from (17-24) waters down the importance of the regular season and none of those 4 loss teams will win the CFP anyway.
Going with more than 8 teams was a stupid move, and it keeps getting more and more stupid.
 

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Correct me if I’m wrong but you named one team who beat a top 10 team. And that was almost 20 years ago. Pretty thin.

I did not say they cannot ever beat a ranked team. James Madison beating Washington State is not exactly a badge of honor now that WSU is in no one’s land, is bleeding players and coaches and has no conference affiliation.

College basketball has hundreds of these upsets while you list one team who beat a top 10 college football team. And this is because a grand total of one FCS team has ever beat a top 10 team

I should restate my original post and acknowledge my wording was too strong. It’s not that they will never do it, it’s that fans, hoping for Cinderella in the Football world will be severely disappointed if they expect anything similar to basketball. Just my opinion.
These were all low end schools (mostly FCS) who beat P4 teams, all but 1 FBS program were ranked at the time of the game. That's why I chose them for this illustration. If a low end school could beat these P4 programs that were ranked why couldn't we include conference winners like Tulane, Navy, JMU, North Texas, etc to play against an at-large bid like they already do? Those teams would (in theory) be much better than the FCS squads.

JMU (as an FCS school) beat a ranked Virginia Tech. I was in the stands that day. VT was ranked 13th and in the middle of their ACC power run. Probably towards the back end of it, but still.

Will Cinderellas happen as frequently as March Madness? Likely not. But it doesn't change the fact it can happen. I would rather see a Navy/North Texas get a shot in the playoffs for winning their conference (especially in the expanded playoffs), than watch Alabama play Georgia for a 3rd time that year.

Boise St beating Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. Glorious. Now imagine if that game was in the playoffs instead of a meaningless bowl game.

Idk. People are gonna complain no matter what. Georgia beats TCU by 58 and people complain. They would have still complained if Georgia beat Midlands U in the playoffs. Ole Miss beats Tulane by 30 and people complain. Indiana beats Oregon by 35 and people complain. Complained when it was only 2 teams and BCS. Complained when it was an AP vote. Complained when it was 4 teams. Complain when its 12 teams. No doubt, people will complain when it is 16 or 24. Not saying you specifically, just in general.
 
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24-team cfp is about access and money. b12 would have had five teams in a 24-team field last season.

i wish they would drop the committee eyeball test feature. can you imagine the nfl seeding teams based on eyeballs, good grief. a preset formula would be far superior. also, playing these games on campus is an important need to lower travel costs for teams and fans. the insider loyalty to bowls is perplexing to me.
 

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Going to 24 teams is going to ruin the beauty of every Saturday matters and water down the importance of regular season.

Big argument for the SEC is how much $$$ their going to lose out on not having CCG were they make a lot of money having that game more than any other conference which most likely will end CCG going to 24.

I think it’s just fine with 12 but my complaint is getting the best 12 teams in the CFP, which brings me too why not 16 teams if your adding James Madison Tulane type teams ? But I heard if the SEC can’t have 16 team CFP they want to keep it at 12.

Adding teams that DEI from (17-24) waters down the importance of the regular season and none of those 4 loss teams will win the CFP anyway.
No more than 16 although I wish they could work it out with 8.
 

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These were all low end schools (mostly FCS) who beat P4 teams, all but 1 FBS program were ranked at the time of the game. That's why I chose them for this illustration. If a low end school could beat these P4 programs that were ranked why couldn't we include conference winners like Tulane, Navy, JMU, North Texas, etc to play against an at-large bid like they already do? Those teams would (in theory) be much better than the FCS squads.

JMU (as an FCS school) beat a ranked Virginia Tech. I was in the stands that day. VT was ranked 13th and in the middle of their ACC power run. Probably towards the back end of it, but still.

Will Cinderellas happen as frequently as March Madness? Likely not. But it doesn't change the fact it can happen. I would rather see a Navy/North Texas get a shot in the playoffs for winning their conference (especially in the expanded playoffs), than watch Alabama play Georgia for a 3rd time that year.

Boise St beating Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl. Glorious. Now imagine if that game was in the playoffs instead of a meaningless bowl game.

Idk. People are gonna complain no matter what. Georgia beats TCU by 58 and people complain. They would have still complained if Georgia beat Midlands U in the playoffs. Ole Miss beats Tulane by 30 and people complain. Indiana beats Oregon by 35 and people complain. Complained when it was only 2 teams and BCS. Complained when it was an AP vote. Complained when it was 4 teams. Complain when it’s I think we agree on those things here12 teams. No doubt, people will complain when it is 16 or 24. Not saying you specifically, just in general.

I think we agree on most things here. A lot of it comes down to our personal preference. The brokenness of college football leaves two sides pitted against each other… Would you rather see the conference champion who plays a much weaker schedule or the 3rd Pl., Big Ten team?

I won’t try and solve that question today.

And if I am honest, my interest level will change dramatically if and when Nebraska gets better.
 
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I agree with you. If the B1G/SEC are gonna find the fortitude to break away, that is the model they need to follow. B1G/SEC = AFC/NFC.
I'd imagine they'd poach another 15+ schools at minimum before they left. If they're at 34 now, I could see them poaching the other P4s and FBS to almost double their number.

If you had 64 schools, split that into 2 conferences of 32 schools. 4 divisions within each conference of 8 schools (likely geographically grouped). 16 team playoff. Seed them all 1-16 or split it like NFL and go B1G/SEC. Then your National Championship (Super Bowl) is played between B1G winner and SEC winner (NFC vs AFC).

I agree with you. If the B1G/SEC are gonna find the fortitude to break away, that is the model they need to follow. B1G/SEC = AFC/NFC.
I'd imagine they'd poach another 15+ schools at minimum before they left. If they're at 34 now, I could see them poaching the other P4s and FBS to almost double their number.

If you had 64 schools, split that into 2 conferences of 32 schools. 4 divisions within each conference of 8 schools (likely geographically grouped). 16 team playoff. Seed them all 1-16 or split it like NFL and go B1G/SEC. Then your National Championship (Super Bowl) is played between B1G winner and SEC winner (NFC vs AFC).
My guess would be that both the SEC and the B1G would expand to about 24 or 25 teams a piece before they break away.
 
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I think we agree on most things here. A lot of it comes down to our personal preference. The brokenness of college football leaves two sides pitted against each other… Would you rather see the conference champion who plays a much weaker schedule or the 3rd Pl., Big Ten team?

I won’t try and solve that question today.

And if I am honest, my interest level will change dramatically if and when Nebraska gets better.
Valid points. I think a lot of that is situational. Would I rather watch Alabama vs Georgia (example) for a 3rd time that season (regular season, SEC title, playoffs) or would I rather watch North Texas (CUSA or whatever conference champ) take on SEC champ? Is Alabama vs Georgia (or whatever same conference matchup multiple times in a year) a sweep? If its already 2-0 Alabama or 2-0 Georgia, I have no desire to see a 3rd game in this hypothetical. So give me North Texas in this scenario. If the season was split, then I might be more inclined to see Alabama vs Georgia Part 3. But for a team that's already lost twice to a team, give another deserving team a shot. If we're never going to give the lower conferences a fair shot and if winning your conference really doesn't mean anything, then we need to accelerate the B1G/SEC breakaway.

Change of sport, but it reminds me a little of the UFC in a way. The Champion in theory should be facing the #1 contender every time. But if #2-5 can't beat #1 contender, do you run out Champ vs same #1 Contender for 3-5 years until the champ or #1 contender loses/moves class/retires?
 

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My guess would be that both the SEC and the B1G would expand to about 24 or 25 teams a piece before they break away.
Yeah I think they would have to expand tremendously, and 64 makes an easy number. You'd only need 30 more teams. If you took 10 from the ACC, 10 from Big 12, and 10 more from everyone else including Notre Dame, you'd be at 64 and the rest of the FBS can be their own league.
 

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When Dannen extended Rhule, a provision was added. Every time he makes the CFP, he gets a million dollar raise for the remainder of the contract. That’s a lot easier to do with a 24 team field.
 
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Yeah I think they would have to expand tremendously, and 64 makes an easy number. You'd only need 30 more teams. If you took 10 from the ACC, 10 from Big 12, and 10 more from everyone else including Notre Dame, you'd be at 64 and the rest of the FBS can be their own league.
In a grand shake up like that, we can be sure of one thing. There won’t be equal revenue sharing. And if they are setting up a new caste system, I am concerned what level Nebraska gets placed. We’ve already seen with the proposed private equity deal that they were not giving Nebraska as big a piece as Ohio State or USC.
 
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In a grand shake up like that, we can be sure of one thing. There won’t be equal revenue sharing. And if they are setting up a new caste system, I am concerned what level Nebraska gets placed. We’ve already seen with the proposed private equity deal that they were not giving Nebraska as big a piece as Ohio State or USC.
Yeah there’s so many variables surrounding all of this. I really do wonder how far the B1G/SEC have taken this war game. This hypothetical breakaway could end up bad for a lot.
 

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Look at this timeline nonsense, go to 24, end conference title games, start the week after Thanksgiving and be finished on first week of January. Also by going to 24 you open bidding for the extra games, these games should be on OTA not cable.
 
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The amount of stupid in this thread is interesting. So many idiots among the Nebraska fanbase. Sad to see.
 

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Yeah I think they would have to expand tremendously, and 64 makes an easy number. You'd only need 30 more teams. If you took 10 from the ACC, 10 from Big 12, and 10 more from everyone else including Notre Dame, you'd be at 64 and the rest of the FBS can be their own league.
I don't think the B1G and SEC will get that big because at some point, there will be diminishing returns.
 
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I don't think the B1G and SEC will get that big because at some point, there will be diminishing returns.
Maybe. The B1G/SEC won’t break away on their own as they stand, or they’d already have done it I believe, unless all that talk from them was just smoke. I don’t think they’ll be able to just poach a few teams because if you’re gonna take a good school like Texas Tech or Miami or FSU, you’re gonna have to take a scrub school like Kansas or Virginia (though FSU has been bad lately and Virginia has been good for once this century) if you’re gonna be bringing scrub schools already like Mississippi State, Northwestern, Purdue.

I think the best option that captures both the past and the future would be to move all P4 + Notre Dame to their own division/league.
 
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Maybe. The B1G/SEC won’t break away on their own as they stand, or they’d already have done it I believe, unless all that talk from them was just smoke. I don’t think they’ll be able to just poach a few teams because if you’re gonna take a good school like Texas Tech or Miami or FSU, you’re gonna have to take a scrub school like Kansas or Virginia (though FSU has been bad lately and Virginia has been good for once this century) if you’re gonna be bringing scrub schools already like Mississippi State, Northwestern, Purdue.

I think the best option that captures both the past and the future would be to move all P4 + Notre Dame to their own division/league.
Honestly from the podcasts I have listened to, it appears that Virginia and North Carolina are the two main lynchpins in the next round of conference realignment. Whether they both go to the B1G or the SEC or 1 goes one way and the other goes a different way will likely determine where the rest of the dominoes fall.

As for Texas Tech, there's almost a zero percent chance that they go to either the SEC or the B1G. The SEC already has both Texas and Texas A&M, so it's unlikely the SEC poaches another Texas school. The B1G likely doesn't take them either because they don't have the academics and aren't an AAU member.
 
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Honestly from the podcasts I have listened to, it appears that Virginia and North Carolina are the two main lynchpins in the next round of conference realignment. Whether they both go to the B1G or the SEC or 1 goes one way and the other goes a different way will likely determine where the rest of the dominoes fall.

As for Texas Tech, there's almost a zero percent chance that they go to either the SEC or the B1G. The SEC already has both Texas and Texas A&M, so it's unlikely the SEC poaches another Texas school. The B1G likely doesn't take them either because they don't have the academics and aren't an AAU member.
If/When this SEC/B1G breakaway happens, AAU isn’t going to matter. Schools from states aren’t going to matter. They are going to pull all the biggest money draws they can to secure the strongest and most prosperous league they can. Excluding Texas Tech would be stupid of them.
 

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If/When this SEC/B1G breakaway happens, AAU isn’t going to matter. Schools from states aren’t going to matter. They are going to pull all the biggest money draws they can to secure the strongest and most prosperous league they can. Excluding Texas Tech would be stupid of them.
Virginia and North Carolina are going to determine how the next wave of realignment goes. Some say Notre Dame, however in order to get Notre Dame to join a conference, the ACC would have to be significantly weakened. That's where North Carolina and Virginia come into play.
 
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If/When this SEC/B1G breakaway happens, AAU isn’t going to matter. Schools from states aren’t going to matter. They are going to pull all the biggest money draws they can to secure the strongest and most prosperous league they can. Excluding Texas Tech would be stupid of them.
The AAU thing is sooooo overblown.
 

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Honestly from the podcasts I have listened to, it appears that Virginia and North Carolina are the two main lynchpins in the next round of conference realignment. Whether they both go to the B1G or the SEC or 1 goes one way and the other goes a different way will likely determine where the rest of the dominoes fall.

As for Texas Tech, there's almost a zero percent chance that they go to either the SEC or the B1G. The SEC already has both Texas and Texas A&M, so it's unlikely the SEC poaches another Texas school. The B1G likely doesn't take them either because they don't have the academics and aren't an AAU member.
Even for the money I doubt TT wants any part of the SEC or BIG . They want to stay in power in the BIG 12 for the playoff chances Which would diminish greatly in either of the other two
 

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Even for the money I doubt TT wants any part of the SEC or BIG . They want to stay in power in the BIG 12 for the playoff chances Which would diminish greatly in either of the other two
If the B1G/SEC breakaway and form their own league, I don't see a world where the B12 and ACC don't beg to come along.
 
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HuskerInCarolina

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Virginia and North Carolina are going to determine how the next wave of realignment goes. Some say Notre Dame, however in order to get Notre Dame to join a conference, the ACC would have to be significantly weakened. That's where North Carolina and Virginia come into play.
I agree, but when we're talking about the B1G/SEC breaking away from the NCAA and starting a new league/division, the dynamics that are in play now for conference realignment drastically change IMO.