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You believe the vaccine killed millions, and maimed countless others. You believe it is causing turbo cancer, heart attacks and strokes. You also have zero criticism of the man most responsible for said vaccine. Talk about squishy. Weak man.
 
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Trump has had more COVID vaccines than my entire family combined. That makes him a squish that bent over for Biden and De Blasio, according to you.

Ben provided exactly zero information about the vaccine, that is helpful to the general public. If they have that info, share it, and expose the damage done by OWS. Otherwise, he provided nothing. What amazing strength!

I’m not offended. I’m waiting for it all to be exposed. Of course that will have to wait until Trump dies, because he made the biggest investment in the vaccine. Bigger than anyone else in the world. What a hero.
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Trump says he took the vaccine. Whether he did or didn’t, that and recommending the vaccine got him only boos from the “cultists”.

You and your vax raged buddy bent over for Joe no doubt. Unsure when Trump supposedly took it, but since he recommended it he was listening to himself. You were either listening to Trump or complying with Joe. Take your pick.

You will always be a squish. How exactly was private citizen Ben Carson supposed to give you validated information? Love to hear it. OTOH, I told you the lockdowns and Covid fear were BS early on thanks to my extensive travels in Spring 2020. Anyone with an ounce of common sense and spine would defy burger boy Bill D and frail Joe’s winter of death. Total BS. But million dollar home Rill complied like a good little boy.
 
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Trump says he took the vaccine. Whether he did or didn’t, that and recommending the vaccine got him only boos from the “cultists”.

You and your vax raged buddy bent over for Joe no doubt. Unsure when Trump supposedly took it, but since he recommended it he was listening to himself. You were either listening to Trump or complying with Joe. Take your pick.

You will always be a squish. How exactly was private citizen Ben Carson supposed to give you validated information? Love to hear it. OTOH, I told you the lockdowns and Covid fear were BS early on thanks to my extensive travels in Spring 2020. Anyone with an ounce of common sense and spine would defy burger boy Bill D and frail Joe’s winter of death. Total BS. But million dollar home Rill complied like a good little boy.
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Now he’s fantasizing Trump didn’t even take the vaccines. This has gotten pretty strange. This is what total devotion looks like.

The Storm is coming!!
 
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tjfleck6 said:
Trump says he took the vaccine. Whether he did or didn’t, that and recommending the vaccine got him only boos from the “cultists”.
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What a leader! He’s been so dishonest in his life that we don’t know if he took the greatest vaccine of all time. That’s according to him.
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You and your vax raged buddy bent over for Joe no doubt. Unsure when Trump supposedly took it, but since he recommended it he was listening to himself. You were either listening to Trump or complying with Joe. Take your pick.
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Weird, all this time you said he was just listening to Fauci.
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You will always be a squish. How exactly was private citizen Ben Carson supposed to give you validated information? Love to hear it. OTOH, I told you the lockdowns and Covid fear were BS early on thanks to my extensive travels in Spring 2020. Anyone with an ounce of common sense and spine would defy burger boy Bill D and frail Joe’s winter of death. Total BS. But million dollar home Rill complied like a good little boy.
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If Carson can’t give legit information, why in the world are you guys posting and liking his nonsense? Because you’re a weak person, that is still searching for anything negative about the vaccine for the last 5 years. Your ego is so fragile that you need constant validation from people that are just private citizens. How pathetic.

Your hero didn’t defy Bill D and frail Joe. Do you still carry a picture of him in your wallet to show people what a true man is?
 
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If Carson can’t give legit information, why in the world are you guys posting and liking his nonsense?
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Yes, Ben Carson has publicly listed specific criticisms of the COVID-19 vaccines, primarily focusing on their use in children, unknown long-term effects, risk-benefit imbalances, natural immunity, mandates, and reported side effects. As a former pediatric neurosurgeon and Trump administration HUD Secretary (and member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force), his comments evolved over time. Key Specific Criticisms
  • "Giant experiment" and unknown long-term risks (especially for children): In 2021 interviews (e.g., with Maria Bartiromo on Fox Business), he stated: "We don't know what the long-term impact of these vaccines is. So this is really, sort of a giant experiment. Do we want to put our children at risk when we know the risk of the disease to them is relatively small but we don't know what the future risks are? Why would we do a thing like that? It makes no sense whatsoever." He opposed vaccinating kids ages 5–11, comparing it unfavorably to flu risks and questioning aggressive measures for low-risk groups.
  • Side effects data: More recently (around 2025 statements), he has claimed that "side effects from COVID vaccinations far exceeded anything else in the last 30 years combined," urging that COVID-era decisions not be "swept under the rug" and referencing Fauci's admissions on lack of science behind some policies.
  • Natural immunity and mandates: He criticized overlooking natural immunity (which he said could reduce the need for universal vaccination) and opposed mandates as un-American or power-driven, arguing politicians were "drunk on power" and ignored alternatives.
  • Changing risk-benefit over time: In a 2025 Q&A, he noted that early in the pandemic, vaccine risks were low relative to the virus, but as the virus became less virulent ("attenuated"), the vaccine's relative risk increased—advising individualized decisions with doctors.
 
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ILisBest said:
Yes, Ben Carson has publicly listed specific criticisms of the COVID-19 vaccines, primarily focusing on their use in children, unknown long-term effects, risk-benefit imbalances, natural immunity, mandates, and reported side effects. As a former pediatric neurosurgeon and Trump administration HUD Secretary (and member of the White House Coronavirus Task Force), his comments evolved over time. Key Specific Criticisms
  • "Giant experiment" and unknown long-term risks (especially for children): In 2021 interviews (e.g., with Maria Bartiromo on Fox Business), he stated: "We don't know what the long-term impact of these vaccines is. So this is really, sort of a giant experiment. Do we want to put our children at risk when we know the risk of the disease to them is relatively small but we don't know what the future risks are? Why would we do a thing like that? It makes no sense whatsoever." He opposed vaccinating kids ages 5–11, comparing it unfavorably to flu risks and questioning aggressive measures for low-risk groups.
  • Side effects data: More recently (around 2025 statements), he has claimed that "side effects from COVID vaccinations far exceeded anything else in the last 30 years combined," urging that COVID-era decisions not be "swept under the rug" and referencing Fauci's admissions on lack of science behind some policies.
  • Natural immunity and mandates: He criticized overlooking natural immunity (which he said could reduce the need for universal vaccination) and opposed mandates as un-American or power-driven, arguing politicians were "drunk on power" and ignored alternatives.
  • Changing risk-benefit over time: In a 2025 Q&A, he noted that early in the pandemic, vaccine risks were low relative to the virus, but as the virus became less virulent ("attenuated"), the vaccine's relative risk increased—advising individualized decisions with doctors.
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Invalid information, according to TJ. Just a private citizen.

If you believe Carson, you believe Trump gave 14 billion for a giant experiment with massive side effects that killed millions of people. If true, how could you ever vote/support that guy without being a massive squish? Just using your guys vocabulary for consistency.

Why doesn’t Trump speak up about any of this? If he was duped into giving $14 billion for a giant experiment that harmed/harms children, he has an obligation to tell the country. And yes, I’m completely aware that you guys don’t think he has the moral obligation to do anything. Zero expectations for your hero.
 
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rillaman said:
Invalid information, according to TJ. Just a private citizen.

If you believe Carson, you believe Trump gave 14 billion for a giant experiment with massive side effects that killed millions of people. If true, how could you ever vote/support that guy without being a massive squish? Just using your guys vocabulary for consistency.

Why doesn’t Trump speak up about any of this? If he was duped into giving $14 billion for a giant experiment that harmed/harms children, he has an obligation to tell the country. And yes, I’m completely aware that you guys don’t think he has the moral obligation to do anything. Zero expectations for your hero.
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You are mistaken if you think I am on a "side" here when it comes to the vaccine. I am guessing the vaccine saved lives of the elderly or vulnerable. I am also of the believe it did some harm when leftwing leaders forced many to take it that didn't need to. I do not believe history has finished writing the damage done to the young and healthy. Dem leaders were forcing this to all where they could and vilifying/ silencing dissenters. People ought not forget what happens when the left has power and should make wise decisions at the ballot box on policy.
 
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You are mistaken if you think I am on a "side" here on the vaccine. I am guessing the vaccine saved lives of the elderly or vulnerable. I am also of the believe it did some harm when leftwing leaders forced many to take it that didn't need to. I do not believe history has finished writing the damage done to the young and healthy. Dem leaders were forcing this to all where they could and vilifying/ silencing dissenters. People ought not forget what happens when the left has power and should make wise decisions at the ballot box on policy.
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Not a single comment about the policy that gave $14 billion for a “giant experiment”?

I get it, only 1 party that is open to criticism. You are a great team player.
 
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rillaman said:
Invalid information, according to TJ. Just a private citizen.

If you believe Carson, you believe Trump gave 14 billion for a giant experiment with massive side effects that killed millions of people. If true, how could you ever vote/support that guy without being a massive squish? Just using your guys vocabulary for consistency.

Why doesn’t Trump speak up about any of this? If he was duped into giving $14 billion for a giant experiment that harmed/harms children, he has an obligation to tell the country. And yes, I’m completely aware that you guys don’t think he has the moral obligation to do anything. Zero expectations for your hero.
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Common sense, if you had any, would tell you it was evil and wrong. They had to bribe, coerce, and threaten people to take the vaccine. It was obvious to people like me, real patriots, that none of those things would be required for a "lifesaving" measure. Plus, even Dtrain admit we had the data in March 2020 - it was called the Italian problem - the elderly and weakened were the ones dying - not everyone else.

Amazing you are so hot and bothered about 14B dollars. A true pittance. As for Team Trump, you are a fool. Whenever Trump brags about the death jab or pushes it, he gets booed by the people you call "cultists". They may be cultists, but they aren't fools like you who actually took it! He has been held accountable for that. However, these cultists see Paris burning after a Champions League victory 30 years after a World Cup victory that had zero burning of Paris.

On measure, Trump is far superior to Kamala, Joe, and your write-in candidate (let's whine and ***** and then throw our vote away). The scorecard for Trump is hugely positive and even on Covid he was SUPERIOR to the opposition who mandated that crap into people and threatened their jobs!
 
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Common sense, if you had any, would tell you it was evil and wrong. They had to bribe, coerce, and threaten people to take the vaccine. It was obvious to people like me, real patriots, that none of those things would be required for a "lifesaving" measure. Plus, even Dtrain admit we had the data in March 2020 - it was called the Italian problem - the elderly and weakened were the ones dying - not everyone else.

Amazing you are so hot and bothered about 14B dollars. A true pittance. As for Team Trump, you are a fool. Whenever Trump brags about the death jab or pushes it, he gets booed by the people you call "cultists". They may be cultists, but they aren't fools like you who actually took it! He has been held accountable for that. However, these cultists see Paris burning after a Champions League victory 30 years after a World Cup victory that had zero burning of Paris.

On measure, Trump is far superior to Kamala, Joe, and your write-in candidate (let's whine and ***** and then throw our vote away). The scorecard for Trump is hugely positive and even on Covid he was SUPERIOR to the opposition who mandated that crap into people and threatened their jobs!
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I agree. I don't blame Trump for operation warp speed - he made a decision based on the advice of the experts and the hysteria sweeping the nation at the time -- if he had done nothing it probably would have been worse (people forget how afaid people were, the vaccine gave them hope, particularly for the elderly). It took over a year to complete the accelerated testing and get it ready for distribution and Trump was out of office. Everything after that was the auto pen and Democrat governors.

We now know there are many more side effects but my 20/20 hindsight is the forced vaccinations, shutdowns of business and schools, etc were egregious. By June 2021 the elderly and vulnerable were voluntarily vaccinated, many younger people had herd immunity -- so it should have been winding down. But the madness only accelerated, particularly where the Dems were in control.
 
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I agree. I don't blame Trump for operation warp speed - he made a decision based on the advice of the experts and the hysteria sweeping the nation at the time -- if he had done nothing it probably would have been worse (people forget how afaid people were, the vaccine gave them hope, particularly for the elderly). It took over a year to complete the accelerated testing and get it ready for distribution and Trump was out of office. Everything after that was the auto pen and Democrat governors.

We now know there are many more side effects but my 20/20 hindsight is the forced vaccinations, shutdowns of business and schools, etc were egregious. By June 2021 the elderly and vulnerable were voluntarily vaccinated, many younger people had herd immunity -- so it should have been winding down. But the madness only accelerated, particularly where the Dems were in control.
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On March 20, 2020 Trump realized the total shutdown was wrong. He got killed for saying something to the effect that the solution was worse than the problem. The libs went nuts saying he is “killing people” by trying to open.

Fault him for the 2 weeks, fault him for suggesting people take the vax, but as you said, for a lot of people the vax was necessary to escape their fear.
 
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Not a single comment about the policy that gave $14 billion for a “giant experiment”?

I get it, only 1 party that is open to criticism. You are a great team player.
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Odd post Rill. You should reread my post you quoted. At the time, we didn't know how many more people would die from Covid. So, we spent $14 billion to minimize an unknown amount of deaths. Are you criticizing the Trump administration for spending the 14 billion?
 
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tjfleck6 said:
On March 20, 2020 Trump realized the total shutdown was wrong. He got killed for saying something to the effect that the solution was worse than the problem. The libs went nuts saying he is “killing people” by trying to open.

Fault him for the 2 weeks, fault him for suggesting people take the vax, but as you said, for a lot of people the vax was necessary to escape their fear.
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He questioned the Georgia governor for opening up some businesses a full month after this.
 
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ILisBest said:
Odd post Rill. You should reread my post you quoted. At the time, we didn't know how many more people would die from Covid. So, we spent $14 billion to minimize an unknown amount of deaths. Are you criticizing the Trump administration for spending the 14 billion?
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No, but I do think he has been far from transparent. Has he seen any data/information that shows it harmed and is harming children. Is it causing heart issues and cancer? He made the investment, he should tell us the good and bad results from it. It was a very important time in history and we should know everything about it.

He handed the keys of a Ferrari to a toddler and let him take the wheel. I understand why that happened, but I want to know what results he has seen from it. He doesn’t talk about it at all, and stayed away from the Fauci conversation the last couple months. That’s not good enough.

If it was a “great experiment” that harmed millions, he should tell us. If it wasn’t, he should tell us. Not that big of an ask.
 
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Has he seen any data/information that shows it harmed and is harming children. Is it causing heart issues and cancer? He made the investment, he should tell us the good and bad results from it. It was a very important time in history and we should know everything about it.

He handed the keys of a Ferrari to a toddler and let him take the wheel. I understand why that happened, but I want to know what results he has seen from it. He doesn’t talk about it at all, and stayed away from the Fauci conversation the last couple months. That’s not good enough.

If it was a “great experiment” that harmed millions, he should tell us. If it wasn’t, he should tell us. Not that big of an ask.
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Two things make all of the above a big ask.

1. The jury is still out on any potential long term effects imo. The medical community likes to study things like this over time and then make more definitive conclusions.

2. Trump doesn't like to admit mistakes. He rarely does and probably won't change course at this age. The MSM shreds every move he makes and beats it to death as he is evil. Can you imagine if he came out and announced health problems or even some deaths from OWS? I am guessing any political consultant worth his salt is telling him to not touch this rn and rightfully so.
 
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You are a little bit all over the place here. You accused me of being "a great team player" for not criticizing something you yourself won't criticize. Does that make sense?
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I didn’t criticize the 14 billion. But I would if I believed it led to childhood deaths, turbo cancers and heart disease.

If you guys would stop posting every opinion piece out there about it killing people, BS stats, and causing harm to countless others I’d shut up about it.

Friendly reminder, insurance carriers still aren’t asking if you were vaccinated as a qualifying question. Should tell you guys a lot, but apparently you are still intrigued by the idea it killed a bunch of people.
 
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There is more, but you can start here

Around 2021–early 2022: Carson began voicing concerns about pandemic policies, including shifting guidance (e.g., on masks) and government overreach. A clear public instance came in March 2022, when he appeared on Fox News slamming Fauci for "government overreach" in response to Sen. Rand Paul's efforts to eliminate Fauci's NIAID director role.
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Retention is not one of Rifles strengths.
 
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He did, but why should he have as you would despise him even more. I spoke about the tyranny in blue states over 6 years ago and to compliant people like you I have a Napolean complex and was left by my wife years ago.

Strong men like Ben offend you. You need them since you are inherently squishy, but despise them nonetheless.

Tell me, what civil liberty has Trump 2.0 taken from you?
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Ben Carson is a true American story for his life.
 
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rillaman said:
You believe the vaccine killed millions, and maimed countless others. You believe it is causing turbo cancer, heart attacks and strokes. You also have zero criticism of the man most responsible for said vaccine. Talk about squishy. Weak man.
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