This 12-16-24 team playoff debate

[Redscarlet]

Going to 24 teams is going to ruin the beauty of every Saturday matters and water down the importance of regular season.

Big argument for the SEC is how much $$$ their going to lose out on not having CCG were they make a lot of money having that game more than any other conference which most likely will end CCG going to 24.

I think it’s just fine with 12 but my complaint is getting the best 12 teams in the CFP, which brings me too why not 16 teams if your adding James Madison Tulane type teams ? But I heard if the SEC can’t have 16 team CFP they want to keep it at 12.

Adding teams that DEI from (17-24) waters down the importance of the regular season and none of those 4 loss teams will win the CFP anyway.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

I think the playoffs make the regular season games MORE important for a longer period of time.

It is, for the most part, a race to 10 wins. Where before 1 and/or 2 losses could eliminate you.

 

[Redscarlet]

I think the playoffs make the regular season games MORE important for a longer period of time.

It is, for the most part, a race to 10 wins. Where before 1 and/or 2 losses could eliminate you.

Of course if you keep it with teams that have no less than 3 losses.

Win 10 and 11 games and your in the CFP makes perfect since for 16 teams.

 

[cornhead1.]

9-3 records in the SEC or Big deserve a playoff spot, I like 24 with 8 teams getting bye

 

[Big bo fan]

9-3 records in the SEC or Big deserve a playoff spot, I like 24 with 8 teams getting bye

I don’t agree you lose 3 games you shouldn’t play for a national championship. That being said if they are going to expand go to 16 with no byes .

 

[Redscarlet]

Teams like BYU, Texass, Vanderbilt, Utah and G-Tech maybe USC deserve to be in 16 team playoff any more than that is DEI.

 

[Man Woman & Child]

The problem with the college football playoffs is they are trying to make a "one-size-fits-all" model fit a very very "different-from-year-to-year" reality by specifying the number of teams. Should be a set of parameters, and whatever number of teams meet those parameters there are at the end of the season makes up the playoffs and they fill it all into the meaningless bowls as necessary. Simple.

It has the opportunity to be the best playoffs in sports, and the structure is already in place to do it easily. But instead, they insist on trying to make it like sports that have a completely different structure. It's maddening.

 

[NikkiSixx]

I think the playoffs will mean everything going forward!

I don't believe bowl games nor conference championship games make any more sense.. open it up further and shorten the regular season to 10 games, 7 home, 3 away and a 48 team playoff..


Nebraska is a playoff team this year! #GBR

 

[Husker88]

The game has become nothing more than a money grab.

At least the players are getting paid for it nowadays. Likely way too much though, as guys move on to the NFL and take a pay cut.

Should have never gone above 8 teams. Teams like James Madison and 3 loss Clempson simply don't belong. This isn't basketball where Cinderella teams win. In what universe does James Madison get in and not Notre Dame last year? (And yes, I hate Notre Dame, and was elated they didn't get it in.)

It'll all get fixed eventually when the B10 and SEC move to 24 or so teams apiece and then their Conference Champs play for the title. 4 divisions of 12 teams. Each team plays 11 games against conference foes. Divison champs play each other in the Conference Championship. Conference Champs then play for the National Title. Easy peasey.

 

[Redscarlet]

I think the playoffs will mean everything going forward!

I don't believe bowl games nor conference championship games make any more sense.. open it up further and shorten the regular season to 10 games, 7 home, 3 away and a 48 team playoff..


Nebraska is a playoff team this year! #GBR

Wrong. That’s the most retarded idea if there ever was one.

Too much money to lose eliminating two games and whole bunch of teams won’t even get to play..

 

[moralvictories]

Going to 24 teams is going to ruin the beauty of every Saturday matters and water down the importance of regular season.

Big argument for the SEC is how much $$$ their going to lose out on not having CCG were they make a lot of money having that game more than any other conference which most likely will end CCG going to 24.

I think it’s just fine with 12 but my complaint is getting the best 12 teams in the CFP, which brings me too why not 16 teams if your adding James Madison Tulane type teams ? But I heard if the SEC can’t have 16 team CFP they want to keep it at 12.

Adding teams that DEI from (17-24) waters down the importance of the regular season and none of those 4 loss teams will win the CFP anyway.

Even going to 16 is mainly due to the fact that Notre Dame and BYU were left out last year. However, were BYU and Notre Dame really deserving of a playoff bid? Notre Dame lost beat a bunch of poor to mediocre teams but lost to the two good teams on their schedule, most notably Miami who rightfully got in ahead of Notre Dame. Same with BYU as they were blown out twice by Texas Tech, who didn't score any points vs Oregon.

 

[Scoop123]

I wish they would expand it to 68 teams like basketball. Then Rhule can make the playoffs and get an extension for doing so.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

The game has become nothing more than a money grab.

At least the players are getting paid for it nowadays. Likely way too much though, as guys move on to the NFL and take a pay cut.

Should have never gone above 8 teams. Teams like James Madison and 3 loss Clempson simply don't belong. This isn't basketball where Cinderella teams win. In what universe does James Madison get in and not Notre Dame last year? (And yes, I hate Notre Dame, and was elated they didn't get it in.)

It'll all get fixed eventually when the B10 and SEC move to 24 or so teams apiece and then their Conference Champs play for the title. 4 divisions of 12 teams. Each team plays 11 games against conference foes. Divison champs play each other in the Conference Championship. Conference Champs then play for the National Title. Easy peasey.

I agree with a lot of this.

Now, I do think they should have more teams but not those weird stipulations that one lame team has to make it and another lame team from a lame conference has to make it.

All conference champions should be in...then, however many spots are left, should be filled by the next best teams.

 

[cornhead1.]

I don’t agree you lose 3 games you shouldn’t play for a national championship. That being said if they are going to expand go to 16 with no byes .

Why? The NFL has 7-8 loss teams in the playoff. College football is now NFL-lite

 

[Redscarlet]

Why? The NFL has 7-8 loss teams in the playoff. College football is now NFL-lite

So we’re comparing an apple to an orange now. Ridiculous.

 

[cornhead1.]

So we’re comparing an apple to an orange now. Ridiculous.

Not really, the players are being paid like pro's. More similar to the NFL than collge football 10 years ago

 

[Redscarlet]

Not really, the players are being paid like pro's. More similar to the NFL than collge football 10 years ago

53 on NFL roster.
120 on scholarship roster and alot of players just earn the scholarship.

 

[king_kong__]

I wish the B1G and SEC would leave the NCAA

without them, the rest of the college football world instantly returns to the normalcy we long for

 

[Man Woman & Child]

I wish they would expand it to 68 teams like basketball. Then Rhule can make the playoffs and get an extension for doing so.

 

[moralvictories]

I wish the B1G and SEC would leave the NCAA

without them, the rest of the college football world instantly returns to the normalcy we long for

When they do, they likely poach all the good teams from the ACC and Notre Dame. The ones left behind will fade into irrelevance.

 

[Scoop123]

There's a group of men who obviously hate me. I think they wake up every day trying to ruin one of the greatest gifts of my childhood and young adulthood.

The NFL built a multi-billion dollar powerhouse and they don't screw with the entire system every year like these idi0ts do at the NCAA level.

It was the imperfections of CF that made it perfect.

 

[king_kong__]

When they do, they likely poach all the good teams from the ACC and Notre Dame. The ones left behind will fade into irrelevance.

Irrelevance is relative

b1g + sec would essentially be the USFL 2.0

talk about irrelevant

college football however would return to being college football

 

[TouchdownTom]

I have no doubt at some point it will expand to 24 just for pure greed. It takes a lot of drama out of the regular season with 24. You're now just fighting for seeds and a home game. If you get that locked up, what's stopping someone like Ryan Day at Ohio State deciding to rest his starters against Michigan in the last game of the year? It That sounds unimaginable that could ever happen and fans would be outraged, but that's what happens in the NFL. The last weekend of the NFL is usually just the borderline teams fighting to get a spot and the teams with nothing lose resting their starters.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Irrelevance is relative

b1g + sec would essentially be the USFL 2.0

talk about irrelevant

college football however would return to being college football

I'm in agreement with this.. the more the Big Ten and SEC try to corner the market, the more irrelevant they become.. it does seem like a paradox.

Edit: I'll go another step further..

I think everything is trending towards the playoffs.. expansion, inclusion, and evaluation.

Coaches and AD's know they will be graded on their performance and record. That is nothing new.

In the past, it was 'going to a bowl game' that was used as a basic measuring stick.

That doesn't fly much anymore. In some ways, the conference championship should really be called a playoff game.

I think that term 'playoff' will be in all coaches contracts and it will become the new equivalent measuring stick, and they will expand the pool so more coaches and AD's can participate in that 'success'. And this will also weaken the identity of the conference in general.


Nebraska is a playoff caliber team this year! #GBR

 

[Redscarlet]

I have no doubt at some point it will expand to 24 just for pure greed. It takes a lot of drama out of the regular season with 24. You're now just fighting for seeds and a home game. If you get that locked up, what's stopping someone like Ryan Day at Ohio State deciding to rest his starters against Michigan in the last game of the year? It That sounds unimaginable that could ever happen and fans would be outraged, but that's what happens in the NFL. The last weekend of the NFL is usually just the borderline teams fighting to get a spot and the teams with nothing lose resting their starters.

Finally someone gets it.

24 is going to water down the importance of the regular season.

How it would work is a different story in its self.

Do the top 4 teams get bye’s the first round?
How do the New Years6 bowls play its part in the CFP?

 

[moralvictories]

Irrelevance is relative

b1g + sec would essentially be the USFL 2.0

talk about irrelevant

college football however would return to being college football

If the SEC and B1G break away are you more likely to watch Michigan vs Ohio State and Alabama vs Georgia or are you going to watch Kansas State vs Kansas or Pitt vs West Virginia?

 

[king_kong__]

If the SEC and B1G break away are you more likely to watch Michigan vs Ohio State and Alabama vs Georgia or are you going to watch Kansas State vs Kansas or Pitt vs West Virginia?

I would watch everything just like I do now to start out

Depends how another pro football league with loose college affiliations works.

might be great, might turn to shite. Id like to find out

 

[Scoop123]

I dislike the 24-team playoff. As much as the money-grubbing NCAA dreams of it - We will not have Cinderella beating blue bloods like we have had in NCAA Basketball Tournament. We will have Georgia destroying Navy and thinking "Sweet! I love the playoffs."

My second thought is "Am I watching a "playoff game" with North Texas, Navy, etc in it?" No.... But.... at the same time, I'm probably not watching their bowl game either. So, I can understand why they are doing this from that angle. The Bowls (especially mid and lower-tier) are dying.

 

[orclover11]

Going to 24 teams is going to ruin the beauty of every Saturday matters and water down the importance of regular season.

Big argument for the SEC is how much $$$ their going to lose out on not having CCG were they make a lot of money having that game more than any other conference which most likely will end CCG going to 24.

I think it’s just fine with 12 but my complaint is getting the best 12 teams in the CFP, which brings me too why not 16 teams if your adding James Madison Tulane type teams ? But I heard if the SEC can’t have 16 team CFP they want to keep it at 12.

Adding teams that DEI from (17-24) waters down the importance of the regular season and none of those 4 loss teams will win the CFP anyway.

It is kind of a moot point until there is a legislative or legal agreement between the teams. There were too many teams in the playoff last year, and even the teams in the final four were struggling to keep their rosters together. Remember Oregon, one win away from the national title, had to rely on a kid IN the transfer portal to run the ball. Teams, like Nebraska, had a 1/3 of their schedule against interim coaches...and if a qb goes down then you have a terrible team playing in a playoff. There isn't an answer until teams are back to some predictable footing...a four team playoff would be as good as 24 at this point because so many teams are struggling to fill a roster, let alone build a cohesive teams.

 

[Truewooper]

The problem with the college football playoffs is they are trying to make a "one-size-fits-all" model fit a very very "different-from-year-to-year" reality by specifying the number of teams. Should be a set of parameters, and whatever number of teams meet those parameters there are at the end of the season makes up the playoffs and they fill it all into the meaningless bowls as necessary. Simple.

It has the opportunity to be the best playoffs in sports, and the structure is already in place to do it easily. But instead, they insist on trying to make it like sports that have a completely different structure. It's maddening.

I've been saying this for awhile. I'm fine with every double digit team getting a shot. Some years that'll be 4 some years 16. Will they do? Of course not because the tv contracts want a certain number of teams.

 

[Truewooper]

I agree with a lot of this.

Now, I do think they should have more teams but not those weird stipulations that one lame team has to make it and another lame team from a lame conference has to make it.

All conference champions should be in...then, however many spots are left, should be filled by the next best teams.

I agree with this. Reward everyone for winning their conferences. 10 spots then whoever is reasonably left. But everyone can't be in just because they cry about it. Looking at you Vandy/Texas (ESPN esp was crying) BYU/Notre Dame. I think i've always argued if it has to be 16 take the 10 conference winners. Take the second best team from the power conferences and then 2 at large bids. That's it the more formal you make it the less power you give some guys (maybe a girl or two) in a room who maybe watch a few of these teams plays.

 

[Truewooper]

There's a group of men who obviously hate me. I think they wake up every day trying to ruin one of the greatest gifts of my childhood and young adulthood.

The NFL built a multi-billion dollar powerhouse and they don't screw with the entire system every year like these idi0ts do at the NCAA level.

It was the imperfections of CF that made it perfect.

It sucks it's why college football needed a comissioner a long time ago to keep the sport from eating itself. Now it's just individual conferences trying to grab all the money and the power and every year or two something happens that makes it a little worse. Nor can the conferences all agree they want to stick together maybe make a few less dollars now but more money in the long term.

 

[Truewooper]

Finally someone gets it.

24 is going to water down the importance of the regular season.

How it would work is a different story in its self.

Do the top 4 teams get bye’s the first round?
How do the New Years6 bowls play its part in the CFP?

I feel like 12 already watered it down. Notre Dame lost to freaking Northern Illinois last year and they still made the playoff. Big upsets should cost them something. 4 was one of the better formats cause every game mattered to get in there.

 

[cubsker15]

Lets go to the basketball model with 68 teams. We can make that Dayton round.

 

[Redscarlet]

I feel like 12 already watered it down. Notre Dame lost to freaking Northern Illinois last year and they still made the playoff. Big upsets should cost them something. 4 was one of the better formats cause every game mattered to get in there.

That was two years ago.

This past year they deserved it over James Madison and lame Tulane.

 

[Redscarlet]

Lets go to the basketball model with 68 teams. We can make that Dayton round.

WRONG sport Cowboy.

 

[Anon1752115983]

I dislike the 24-team playoff. As much as the money-grubbing NCAA dreams of it - We will not have Cinderella beating blue bloods like we have had in NCAA Basketball Tournament. We will have Georgia destroying Navy and thinking "Sweet! I love the playoffs."

My second thought is "Am I watching a "playoff game" with North Texas, Navy, etc in it?" No.... But.... at the same time, I'm probably not watching their bowl game either. So, I can understand why they are doing this from that angle. The Bowls (especially mid and lower-tier) are dying.

The money-grubbing NCAA has nothing to do with the playoff. Get your facts straight

 

[WTFMatt]

Going to 24 teams is going to ruin the beauty of every Saturday matters and water down the importance of regular season.

Big argument for the SEC is how much $$$ their going to lose out on not having CCG were they make a lot of money having that game more than any other conference which most likely will end CCG going to 24.

I think it’s just fine with 12 but my complaint is getting the best 12 teams in the CFP, which brings me too why not 16 teams if your adding James Madison Tulane type teams ? But I heard if the SEC can’t have 16 team CFP they want to keep it at 12.

Adding teams that DEI from (17-24) waters down the importance of the regular season and none of those 4 loss teams will win the CFP anyway.

I hate the current playoff. Unless you are going to have somewhat equal conferences with equal chances to make the playoff, it doesn't work. And, I hate socialism. But, the NFL has this figured out. It's the only reason the league is competitive every year.

 

[moralvictories]

I feel like 12 already watered it down. Notre Dame lost to freaking Northern Illinois last year and they still made the playoff. Big upsets should cost them something. 4 was one of the better formats cause every game mattered to get in there.

I feel like 4 wasn't enough. 2023 when undefeated Florida State and 1 loss Georgia were left out.

 

[Big bo fan]

I feel like 4 wasn't enough. 2023 when undefeated Florida State and 1 loss Georgia were left out.

Eight is actually the right number. No byes .